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Can Pakistan and Bangladesh Be Friends?

BD is pretty divided on this issue. Some are so vehemently pro-India, you would think their Haremain is there. Then there are some who love Pakistan and want more Islamic values/culture in BD.

I don't doubt many BD are becoming anti-India due to Indian actions, but that doesn't always translate to being pro-Pakistan.

For us Pakistanis, we always use cautious optimism in our dealings with South Asians such as Indian Muslims and BDs.

Khosh Amdeed. Hale shoma chetore agha?

There are even more serious issues such as continuous anti-Punjab propaganda which has been going on since 1947. An anti-Punjab propagandist can never really be a pro-Pakistan person. Still , I am proud of my Punjabi brothers and sisters who do not show such attitude in return.
 
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There are even more serious issues such as continuous anti-Punjab propaganda which has been going on since 1947. An anti-Punjab propagandist can never really be a pro-Pakistan person. Still , I am proud of my Punjabi brothers and sisters who do not show such attitude in return.


Alhamdulilah bro, Punjabi Muslims are one of the least racist people in the whole world. I get so shocked sometimes with this anti-Punjabi propaganda coming from random places. It all seems to be based on Indian propaganda, whether it is ANP, MQM, PPP, or India and BD.
 
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Typical awami league sentiment as it consider indian to be its master undermining Bangladesh sovereignty. That does not mean Awami league extremist view propped by its indian master is refection of Bangladesh or its people. No progressive nation define its foreign relation based on master instruction. Heck even pacifist a Bhutan moved away from indian instruction.

You are just a rajakar. Your opinion doesn't count.
 
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Bangladesh is a state, not an individual. States do not have friends, brothers or sisters. States only have interests. We should have good working relationship based on mutual respect and mutual interest with all countries of the world including Pakistan. There is no need of 'friendship' with Pakistan or any other country.
He means friendly relations i.e not harming each other in different ways .
Yes . 1971 is almost 50 years old now while geo strategic environment is changing rapidly . We have no common land or other borders ( so no major dispute ) . Of course we can have friendly relations .
 
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He means friendly relations i.e not harming each other in different ways .
Yes . 1971 is almost 50 years old now while geo strategic environment is changing rapidly . We have no common land or other borders ( so no major dispute ) . Of course we can have friendly relations .

I mean friendly relations too. I am all for friendly relations with Pakistan as well as with every other country of the world. We are a poor but developing country, we could use friendship with everybody.
 
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Pakistan does not have the clout or influence to pressure China or any other country to put pressure on Burma. Only superpowers have such abilities. China itself had interest in Burma, so they did not push them too hard.

In a critical scenario your so called bestie will calculate it's own national interest first before supporting you, nobody will support you because you are their 'bestie'. Even superpowers take into consideration their own interest before supporting anybody. Your desired bestie Pakistan sold fighter jets to Burma and trained their military even after the Rohingya fiasco because it was in their interest to do so and earn money instead of imaginary friendship/brotherhood.

Your argument that nobody supported BD because BD did not have a good friend is flawed. When you see countries supporting other countries, they do it because they have a shared interest. We don't need Pakisan, India, China, USA or Europeans as besties, there is no concept of bestie in statecraft, it's not a kindergarten.

How is my argument flawed? Do you not understand the significance of close co operation? What do u think close co operation is adapted for in the first place? For mutual benefits and interests.

Also, please wear your glasses properly. I never said , Pakistan was my desired Bestie for BD, all I said was, lets say THEORETICALLY they were our besties, then they wudve played a strategical role in pressurizing the Chinese decision making. Any man with the slightest knowledge of international geopolitics, knows that China- Pakistan share the strongest strategic alliance /bi lateral pact in the world right now.

Even lets say we had a better co operation with China, and if a regional superpower such as china had a few Trade MoU lined up with us, or had they already had more economic investments in BD than they do in Burma, then they whole scenario surrounding the rohingya crisis wudve been different. This is all because of national interests as well, nothing is outside of the condition of national interests.

The Rohingya issue stands as a rarity in modern written history. In terms of the utter global Silence and non acknowledgement, this is due to two reasons. First, China has a close mutual relationship with Myanmar. The Chinese already wield more infulence than even America in global organizations such as UN and the WHO ( this has come to light since the covid crisis). Hence , cause of this influence the UN is silent to one of the most atrocious, hyneous and contemptible genocide committed in recorded history.

Secondly, Bangladesh in it's foreign policy has been neutral so far in terms of regional geopolitics. whilst, for the most part this has served the country well , but the lack of dynamism in this particular doctrine has been exposed in our total isolation and lack of support in the international community wen it came to the Burmese aggression , which is a geopolitical issue.

So, in terms of some Domestic issues staying neutral helps, but in the case international/ regional geopolitics and geopolitical events it is detrimental. And the Rohingya issue is an example of a GEOPOLITCAL EVENT.

All in all im just saying foreign policy must be more robust than just staying neutral. You are probably sumone who likes to portray yourself as a wise head, but as Plato said, "Our knowledge is nothing but shadows that play upon the walls". So please study more in these issues before acting like a WISEHEAD.

Nice picture btw, im a great admirer of Bangabandhu myself, and a good catchy name. Well done.
 
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How is my argument flawed? Do you not understand the significance of close co operation? What do u think close co operation is adapted for in the first place? For mutual benefits and interests.

Also, please wear your glasses properly. I never said , Pakistan was my desired Bestie for BD, all I said was, lets say THEORETICALLY they were our besties, then they wudve played a strategical role in pressurizing the Chinese decision making. Any man with the slightest knowledge of international geopolitics, knows that China- Pakistan share the strongest strategic alliance /bi lateral pact in the world right now.

Even lets say we had a better co operation with China, and if a regional superpower such as china had a few Trade MoU lined up with us, or had they already had more economic investments in BD than they do in Burma, then they whole scenario surrounding the rohingya crisis wudve been different. This is all because of national interests as well, nothing is outside of the condition of national interests.

The Rohingya issue stands as a rarity in modern written history. In terms of the utter global Silence and non acknowledgement, this is due to two reasons. First, China has a close mutual relationship with Myanmar. The Chinese already wield more infulence than even America in global organizations such as UN and the WHO ( this has come to light since the covid crisis). Hence , cause of this influence the UN is silent to one of the most atrocious, hyneous and contemptible genocide committed in recorded history.

Secondly, Bangladesh in it's foreign policy has been neutral so far in terms of regional geopolitics. whilst, for the most part this has served the country well , but the lack of dynamism in this particular doctrine has been exposed in our total isolation and lack of support in the international community wen it came to the Burmese aggression , which is a geopolitical issue.

So, in terms of some Domestic issues staying neutral helps, but in the case international/ regional geopolitics and geopolitical events it is detrimental. And the Rohingya issue is an example of a GEOPOLITCAL EVENT.

All in all im just saying foreign policy must be more robust than just staying neutral. You are probably sumone who likes to portray yourself as a wise head, but as Plato said, "Our knowledge is nothing but shadows that play upon the walls". So please study more in these issues before acting like a WISEHEAD.

Nice picture btw, im a great admirer of Bangabandhu myself, and a good catchy name. Well done.

I think I have explained myself well enough already, I don't see why you fail to understand it.

We need co-operation where there is a mutual interest and we do not need a close friend or besties as you like to call it. There are numerous countries in the world that can benefit us if we co-operate. There can be specific benefits that we can derive from co-operation in interest areas with Pakistan, there are also many specific areas of interests where we can co-operate with others. Over the top co-operation should not be done with any one at the expense of co-operation (and interest) with numerous others. As for the case of Pakistan, it has very little to offer BD. Pakistan is not a major economic power, doesn't have political or diplomatic clout, neither does it have any significant military power that can go beyond protecting it's own territory. Even if it is assumed it was such a great military power that it could help us in any meaningful way in a conflict, it would be doubtful that they would indeed help without first calculating their own interest. If that's the case then some other countries may as well help after calculating their interest. The point in that argument is that it is the interest of a country that is the driving factor in the decision making process of helping another country, which renders friend/bestie type of narrative redundant.

You are assuming two things that have questionable basis:

- Pakistan would have tried to help us in the Rohingya fiasco had we been 'besties'.
- Pakistan could have rendered the help by means of influencing China.

Both of the assumptions are wrong in my view.

- Pakistan could only help us if they had any interest in helping us in the Rohingya issue. They simply did not have interest in doing so which had later been proved by their sale of JF-17 to Burma and continuous training of the Burmese military.Clearly their monetary interest in the sale of JF-17 trumped the need to help a 'bestie' had we been a 'bestie'.

- Pakistan does not have any influence on China. Yes they have good relationship and perhaps an alliance of sort but it is driven by the Chinese with Pakistan being the junior partner. China being a regional power and fast becoming a superpower has it's own interest in the strategic location of Pakistan. China likewise has strategic interest in Burma, far more than it has in BD. Even before the Rohingya issue the Chinese had more business interest in BD than in Burma. But that did not deter them from tacitly approving the Burmese actions, their strategic interest in Burma trumped their business interest in BD. China as a large regional power simply wouldn't pay any attention to any suggestion of Pakistani diplomatic effort (had there been one) about Rohingya issue at the expense of their own national strategic interest in Burma.

Your last two paragraphs are not worth responding to. I will just stick to the debate.
 
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strive for Kashmir along with Pakistan then we would also need to strive for Uighur Muslims in China,
thanks but no thanks... Bangladesh is an irrelevant country for Pakistan.. I dont know why we even have bangladesh section on pdf. Always useless internal bangladesh news being posted here only relevant to bangladeshis and sometimes Indians.
And it's funny you think we would want to highlight an Internal issue of a key ally at the expense of frandshipping hasina... amazing lol.
 
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