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Whether in Britain or India, Leftists are caught in their own bubble. Their attempts to bring down statues or manipulate history will not help anti-racism movement.

Jaithirth Rao 15 June, 2020 9:36 am IST

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The statue of Winston Churchill near Houses of Parliament in London | Luke MacGregor/Bloomberg

Police brutality and institutionalised racism are tragic problems that beset American society. At least, in the US, there is open discussion on the subject. Something that does not happen in China’s Xinjiang province, which used to be called East Turkestan in the not so distant past. The American problems, I am convinced, are definitely worth protesting about. There is every likelihood that some reform will take place. Brutality will reduce. Racism will get less egregious. The pace will be glacial and for every two steps forward, there will be one step back for sure. History does not lend itself to too optimistic a prognosis. But in any event, the disease will at least get marginally better, not worse. That hope remains.

But when the protest moves from the US to Britain, it looks like the beginnings of a farcical comedy. Britain is one country that has repeatedly, openly and constructively tried to address institutional racism in law enforcement. Royal Commissions and other committees have gone into the Notting Hill Riots, the death of a young Black man in north London and the mistaken killing of a Brazilian in the London Underground. All these specific occurrences and many more have been thoroughly investigated, analysed, discussed and acted upon within the realms of the practical. (Contrast this with India where three Police Reform Commission reports continue to gather dust). Britain, in fact, seems to have acquired a tradition of ‘reverse racism’. In Rotherham, the police authorities failed young, vulnerable, White girls and protected their predators just to avoid being seen as racist or politically incorrect.

To start protesting about police brutality or racism is not just unfair to Britain, it also takes away attention from the specific American problem. When you make inane statements that everyone is racist or brutal, you let off the real brutes. They become part of an anonymous inchoate mass that can be excoriated — but ironically, need not be reformed.

Leftists will dismiss my “anecdotal” evidence. But I have lived in London and in Los Angeles. I can vouch for the fact that the Los Angeles police are brusque, officious, rude and quite obviously racist. The London police invariably treated me with courtesy, punctiliousness and respect. When we fail to praise, where praise is due, we risk creating a situation where we remove the incentives for London police personnel to be sensitive and courteous. I think the focus should be on fixing Los Angeles and Minneapolis, not on protesting in London.

But whether in Britain or India, Leftists are caught in their own bubble.


Foolishness of British Left
Not satisfied with diluting their protests by moving the action from the US to Britain, the protesters have introduced the bizarre “statue” motif into their movement. Protesting against statues of long-dead historical figures has nothing to do with current police brutality and very little to do, if that, with contemporary racism. Why are the Leftists foolish enough not to see this? What is worse is that this needless diversion towards statues is going to strengthen racists and alienate middle of the road, decent anti-racist Whites and even Indians. Now, why embark on actions that will turn your potential allies into sullen neutrals or even antagonists? The only answer has to be that it is impossible to understand Leftists. They always pitch their demands too high, embrace destructive extremism, love self-inflicted injuries and end up scoring a series of massive self goals.

And then there is the ultimate comedian: Mayor Sadiq Khan. If I had been in Khan’s place, I would have repeatedly thanked my parents for making sure that I was born in London and not in Karachi. I would have openly praised British society for giving me welcoming opportunities. The least Khan can do is to tell his supporters that attacking the statues of Winston Churchill and Mahatma Gandhi is wrong, intolerable, stupid and counter-productive. Instead, he makes a blatantly disingenuous statement exhibiting a complete lack of balance and perspective when it comes to history as well as to current reality. His sympathies are quite obviously with the vandals.

Khan is not at fault. He simply represents the great unwashed, Leftie, pretentious, pseudo-intelligentsia that unfortunately has disproportionate influence. It is true that Churchill has gone on record about his distaste for Indians, natives, Hindus, and so on. But Churchill was also a staunch anti-Nazi. Does that not count for something? Gandhi followed the vocabulary of his time when he used expressions like “kaffir”. He was fighting for the rights of Indians and, in that context, was less sympathetic to Black concerns. Despite knowing all this, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela were sober and understanding enough to be admirers of Gandhi. Does this too not count for anything?

The Leftists don’t get it. By driving away the admirers of Churchill and Gandhi, they are weakening the movement against American racism and police brutality. But then, I sometimes wonder if that is their intent. By discrediting and weakening a legitimate protest movement are they trying to ensure that constructive reform and incremental progress do not take place? They perhaps prefer no improvements, so that they can continue with inane projects like vandalising statues and quixotically tilting at the windmills of history.

On ‘Muslim Lives Matter’
And we now have a new group: expatriate (NRI) Indians of the Leftist persuasion. (As an aside, here is a question worth researching: Why do European universities produce so many Leftists?).They are now planning to start a movement (or in keeping with their asinine nature, at least a hashtag) called “Muslim Lives Matter”. This is of course worse than disingenuous with zero respect for history. Blacks were forcibly transported across the Atlantic as slaves. They were kept as slaves for several centuries. Even after slavery ended, they continued to suffer persecution. For a thousand years and more, till 1765, Muslims were rulers and conquerors in India, by no means slaves. In fact, Hindus were the objects of the lucrative slave market that extended from India all the way to Tashkent, Samarkand and Baghdad. To compare the position of Indian Muslims to American Blacks is so self-evidently absurd that one wonders how anyone could have dreamt it up.

It is true that in contemporary India, Muslims constitute a religious minority, the largest one as it happens. But that does not make their position even remotely analogous to that of African-Americans. Despite Gandhi’s prescriptions, there is a fair amount of political, religious and ethnic violence in India. But such violence is by no means directed only against Muslims. Just ask a Meitei or a Bor or for that matter a PETA activist who opposed Jallikattu in Tamil Nadu. It might also be worthwhile to note that Muslims in India of all sectarian dispositions: Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Ahmadiyya (and I list the last group as a Muslim sect with some justified trepidation), feel safer and in fact are safer than their fellow-religionists in ostensibly Muslim countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Yemen, and Libya — all countries where Muslim Lives do not seem to Matter.

India’s fight
The Sachar Committee — appointed by the Indian government, not by European Leftists — analysed the social and economic position of Indian Muslims. Thoughtful Indian Muslims are still trying to work out the relative importance of state policies and Muslim community agency, apropos of the fact that despite the existence of significant exceptions and outliers, in the aggregate, Indian Muslims have not leveraged the opportunities of modern India as much as say, the Dalits have.

The Sachar Committee actually revealed that Communist-ruled West Bengal had given the worst breaks to its Muslims. So complete and absolutist (Stalinist?) is the domination of academia by the Left that one does not run into too many citations of the official Sachar Committee report in academic journals. Be that as it may. This foolish attempt to equate the Indian Muslim experience with that of African-Americans is likely to backfire, alienate thoughtful Indians and actually become an albatross around the necks of Indian Muslims. But then it just shows that Leftists are not interested in the welfare of Indian Muslims. They are only interested in inflaming the sense of victimhood and grievance-mongering among Indian Muslims, even as sensible Indian Muslims are busy rejecting this narrative of victimhood and working to improve their community’s educational and economic outcomes. Constructive progress would, no doubt, anger the Lefties.

Net-net, it seems safe to predict that Leftists will continue to pursue a policy of foolishness and absurd extremism. Why they do so is not a mystery once one realises that it’s just in their DNA.

The author is an entrepreneur and writer. Views are personal.

https://theprint.in/opinion/by-dest...an-muslims-leftists-scoring-self-goal/441404/
 
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What a garbage article by conservative.
So many flaws martin luther and nelson were unaware about gandhi's racism and uncle tom persona "which the author himself sounds like"

And then there is the ultimate comedian: Mayor Sadiq Khan. If I had been in Khan’s place, I would have repeatedly thanked my parents for making sure that I was born in London and not in Karachi. I would have openly praised British society for giving me welcoming opportunities.

Master churchill was a bigot and responsible for one of the biggest genocide in history. uncle tom rao
there's nothing wrong with being born in karachi. I know people there who are happier and more comfortable than some people stuck in london.
 
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Article itself is racist piece of crap garbage.
Hardly, just a conservative point of view where the author calls out the left's insanity as he sees it.

A lot of overseas Pakistanis on this forum, most, in fact, seem to hate their own lefty activists back home while singing glowing praises and are huge fans of Indian comrades like Arundhati Roy etc

'Leftism for thee, but not for me'... yeh kya baat hui ?

also, "poop skin brown" is super racist :tsk:, let's see what they do about it.
 
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A lot of overseas Pakistanis on this forum, most,

What makes you the international spokesman ? Do you actually know any overseas Pakistanis?
Stop generalising and speaking for all when you really haven’t got a clue.
Article is indeed a shit one and is flawed in so many ways
 
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What makes you the international spokesman ? Do you actually know any overseas Pakistanis?
Stop generalising and speaking for all when you really haven’t got a clue.
Article is indeed a shit one and is flawed in so many ways
Just observing what goes on in this forum.

Critique it then so folks can discuss it, what is this nonsense racist 'poop skin brown' BS
 
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So many flaws martin luther and nelson were unaware about gandhi's racism and uncle tom persona "which the author himself sounds like"
Do you really think Mahatma Gandhi's statue should be taken down just because at what one point of time in his life (when he was young), he didn't support the Blacks in South Africa?

In British India, he single-handedly stopped riots and saves thousands of lives of both Hindus and Muslims. He was the biggest leader of the Indian Independence movement (which includes independence of Pakistan as well). His theories and philosophies of non-violence, truthfulness, etc have worldwide admirers.
 
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Do you really think Mahatma Gandhi's statue should be taken down just because at what one point of time in his life (when he was young), he didn't support the Blacks in South Africa?

In British India, he single-handedly stopped riots and saves thousands of lives of both Hindus and Muslims. He was the biggest leader of the Indian Independence movement (which includes independence of Pakistan as well). His theories and philosophies of non-violence, truthfulness, etc have worldwide admirers.
She's kind of got a point there. Gandhi wasn't all he's since been cranked out to be and Churchill was a cunt to us folk down here in the subcontinent. We should also be thankful to Hitler, not joking, for breaking the back of Churchill, he did take down the empire, even he lost and committed horrific acts back home in Germany and Poland.
 
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Hindus have a caste mentality

That caste mentality leads them to slavishly side with the perceived master

If you see them you will understand from Trump to Dalits

What about the Dalits ?

Read this Wikipedia page about the Bhim Army.
 
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Just observing what goes on in this forum.

So you use PDF as a tool to judge the views of 1.1 million British Pakistani people? Come on be sensible. I know its an Indian fetish but stop the generalization.

You put an article up of a and suggest he makes a conservative opinion of the matter - its not at all. We both know its biased - non factual. Calling the elected mayor of London a comedian shows us where the retard is coming from.
There is factual evidence of Churchills racism and how he aided the death of millions of innocent in India.
There is evidence of Ghandis racism towards blacks and his homosexual tendencies with children.

I dont personally want riots in the city where i was born. I do however the racist agenda of these and others should not be worshiped in the form of statues.

The irony is right wing fascists were attempting to "guard" these statues - and ended up kicking the shit out of the police and in fact pissing on a memorial plaque dedicated to a killed police officer. This behavior is closer to what the author is trying to express.
 
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So you use PDF as a tool to judge the views of 1.1 million British Pakistani people?
No, of course not, I believe strongly in individualism, not collectivism, and that one should take stock of others on a case by case basis. What I have observed on this forum though, is that expat Pakistanis are overwhelmingly of the conservative persuasion, but only when it comes to affairs back in the motherland.. a most strange dichotomy..

wahan pe anti tory

aur

"ghar" pe full pro conservative mullahism :lol:

of course it's not an exact science or survey and many individuals deviate from the mean, that's a given.

don't have the resources, and frankly, nor can I be arsed to find out what you 1.1 million lot are thinking about the world.. saanu ki ? :lol:

You put an article up of a and suggest he makes a conservative opinion of the matter - its not at all. We both know its biased - non factual. Calling the elected mayor of London a comedian shows us where the retard is coming from.
There is factual evidence of Churchills racism and how he aided the death of millions of innocent in India.
There is evidence of Ghandis racism towards blacks and his homosexual tendencies with children.
Of course it is. It is very much a conservative subjective opinion on the current goings on in our world.

Not a fan of Gandhi or Churchill, as stated clearly in an earlier post right here on this thread.. scroll up !

I dont personally want riots in the city where i was born. I do however the racist agenda of these and others should not be worshiped in the form of statues.
I've traveled quite a bit but don't live there in the US or the UK so I don't have a strong opinion on these confederate and other imperialist leader statues over there.

Where does this leftist 'cancel culture' end though ? George Washington to kab hatayenge greenback se ? Jefferson had a fling with a slave girl they say too.

Churchill, being the tyrant who unleashed a famine in India and was racist toward the indigenous people of the subcontinent, still led the west to victory against Hitler's Nazi Germany.

Probably a good outcome for the world at large.. wouldn't you say ?

Nazism khallas hua, humey mili azadi, empire poora toot foot ke collapse ho gya, dunia mein ek rules based liberal order establish ho gya.. mashallah ! aur kya chahiye aapko ?

but aaj ke leftists, Hitler ko bhi, Winston bhaijaan ko bhi.. dono galt the..

"Jai Sri Mao, Stalin hu Akbar, praise the PolPot
<- BC WTF ? o_Oo_Oo_O
 
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No, of course not, I believe strongly in individualism, not collectivism, and that one should take stock of others on a case by case basis. What I have observed on this forum though, is that expat Pakistanis are overwhelmingly of the conservative persuasion, but only when it comes to affairs back in the motherland.. a most strange dichotomy..

No you dont - you are yet again conservative with the truth - you can see clearly in your post your generalization - dont try to duck out of what you said. Judging the opinions of 1.1 million by the post of half dozen people on here shows your delinquency and immaturity.
Frankly an Indian trying to generalize about the views of ALL Pakistanis on here shows how traveled you are internet global warrior are just obsessed and here to troll. Go back to the pakora stand - they must be burning by now...
 
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There is evidence of Ghandis racism towards blacks and his homosexual tendencies with children.
If of all Indians, you guys have problems with Mahatma Gandhi, then we really can't do anything.
Kuch to sharam karo. Read my post 8 carefully.

Martin Luther King on Gandhi:
"“To other countries I may go as a tourist, but to India I come as a pilgrim.” Perhaps, above all, India is the land where the techniques of nonviolent social change were developed that my people have used in Montgomery, Alabama, and elsewhere throughout the American South. We have found them to be effective and sustaining — they work!”

Albert Einstein:
"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever in flesh and blood walked upon this earth."

Barrack Obama:
Invoking Gandhi, Obama said he found inspiration in his principle of “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” “I am greatly influenced by a man from your nation whose message of love and justice shows us the way ahead. Just as he (Gandhi) summoned Indians to seek their destiny, he influenced champions of equality in my own country including Martin Luther King Jr. Dr. King called Gandhi’s philosophy of non-violence and resistance as the only logical and moral approach in the struggle for justice and progress.”

Nelson Mandela:
"Gandhi's magnificent example of personal sacrifice and dedication in the face of oppression was one of his many legacies to our country and to the world. He showed us that it was necessary to brave imprisonment if truth and justice were to triumph over evil. The values of tolerance, mutual respect and unity for which he stood and acted had a profound influence on our liberation movement, and on my own thinking. They inspire us today in our efforts of reconciliation and nation-building."

Steve Jobs:
"Mohandas Gandhi is my choice for the Person of the Century because he showed us the way out of the destructive side of our human nature. Gandhi demonstrated that we can force change and justice through moral acts of aggression instead of physical acts of aggression. Never has our species needed this wisdom more."

Ho Chi Minh (Former President of Vietnam):
"I and others may be revolutionaries but we are disciples of Mahatma Gandhi, directly or indirectly, nothing more nothing less."

Lord Richard Attenborough:
"When asked what attribute he most admired in human nature, Mahatma Gandhi replied, simply and immediately, 'Courage'. 'Nonviolence', he said, 'is not to be used ever as the shield of the coward. It is the weapon of the brave."

Dalai Lama:
"I have the greatest admiration and respect for Mahatma Gandhi. He was a great human being with a deep understanding of human nature. He made every effort to encourage the full development of the positive aspects of the human potential and to reduce or restrain the negative."

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-lama-spiritual-leader/slideshow/67754211.cms


Gandhi wasn't all he's since been cranked out to be and Churchill was a cunt to us folk down here in the subcontinent. We should also be thankful to Hitler, not joking, for breaking the back of Churchill, he did take down the empire, even he lost and committed horrific acts back home in Germany and Poland.
Nothing is black and white. Churchill created a big problem for us and was responsible for the deaths of many Indians but defeated Hitler. Hitler was killing Jews but because of him, the British empire became weak and was indirectly partly responsible not only for our independence but for the independence of the other countries as well.

Of course, Hitler didn't fight the 2nd World War in his quest to root out colonialism.
 
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Do you really think Mahatma Gandhi's statue should be taken down just because at what one point of time in his life (when he was young), he didn't support the Blacks in South Africa?

In British India, he single-handedly stopped riots and saves thousands of lives of both Hindus and Muslims. He was the biggest leader of the Indian Independence movement (which includes independence of Pakistan as well). His theories and philosophies of non-violence, truthfulness, etc have worldwide admirers.
Sigh! When did I say anything about taking down gandhi's statue? I pointed out the flaws in the article and boot-licking by that poop skin uncle tom.
 
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