Bulgaria:anti-migrant vigilante group TIES UP Afghans - and earns PRAISE from the PM

[flamer84]

No they cannot because its job of border forces to control border..civilians cannot act as police man or border forces because there is some procedure, code of conduct or training.which need to be followed when deal with illegal immigrants..

Not really.In here it's called having a civic duty,citizens can pitch in when it comes to fighting criminals.It's perfectly legal.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

And dude....easy with the poor country stuff...you do now that Pakistan will be 'poor'as us in about 20 years ? ))) or that we had your GDP per capita in the 70's ?

leave GDP. I have seen the economic condition of common bulgarains/romamians/polish as well as Pakistani Pakistani middle class has more saving and living better life than say middle class bulgarain or polish

Not really.In here it's called having a civic duty,citizens can pitch in when it comes to fighting criminals.It's perfectly legal.

so there is no training or procedure in practice and any one can act as police or border force? thats even worse than africa

 

[flamer84]

leave GDP. I have seen the economic condition of common bulgarains/romamians/polish as well as Pakistani Pakistani middle class has more saving and living better life than say middle class bulgarain or polish

Now that's just an illussion.Be serious.Truth is that we where were you are 30 years ago.Sure,you can say nonsense like this on this forum but numbers don't lie.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Now that's just an illussion.Be serious.Truth is that we were were you are 30 years ago.Sure,you can say nonsense like this on this forum but numbers don't lie.

I am saying the truth and if you have doubt then visit Pakistan and see how well they are living and what saving they have got and even Pakistani who are living in uk are in better economic condition than say Bulgarian or eastern european

 

[flamer84]

I am saying the truth and if you have doubt then visit Pakistan and see how well they are living and what saving they have got and even Pakistani who are living in uk are in better economic condition than say Bulgarian or eastern european

Yeah,because you visited Eastern Europe or you saw how all Eastern Europeans live in the UK(all of them).Dude,be real,numbers don't lie,especially numbers worlds apart such as these.Don't get me started on literacy indexes or Human Development Index.

I'll tell you again,we had your GDP per capita in the 70's lol...70's ))...allow me not to take you seriously,your people migrate across thousands of miles deserts,war torn countries to get to the UK.Romanians didn't go there untill restrictions were lifted in 2015 )))

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Yeah,because you visited Eastern Europe or you saw how all Eastern Europeans live in the UK(all of them).Dude,be real,numbers don't lie,especially numbers worlds apart such as these.Don't get me started on literacy indexes or Human Development Index.

I'll tell you again,we had your GDP per capita in the 70's lol...70's ))...allow me not to take ypu seriously,ypour people migrate across thousands of miles deserts,war torn countries to get to the UK.Romanians didn't go there untill restrictions were lifted in 2015 )))

What you are doing in UK if Romania bulgraia are offering you a better life and opportunities ? I have seen the condition of polish, romanaian d bulgarins in UK and i will say it again that they are living in worse condition than middle class Pakistani. You will see them wearing same jean for one month and eating junk foods and many guys and girls living in one room to save money while Pakistani own business and are in politics, sports, NHS and all others fields but eastern European are all in labour force ,mostly constructions, cleaning and warehouse operatives because most of them cannot speak English

 

[flamer84]

What you are doing in UK if Romania bulgraia are offering you a better life and opportunities ? I have seen the condition of polish, romanaian d bulgarins in UK and i will say it again that they are living in worse condition than middle class Pakistani. You will see them wearing same jean for one month and eating junk foods and many guys and girls living in one room to save money while Pakistani own business and are in politics, sports, NHS and all others fields but eastern European are all in labour force ,mostly constructions, cleaning and warehouse operatives because most of them cannot speak English

They don't offer a better life than UK (doughh!!) but compared to Pakistan we're light years away and you can rant all you want,it doesn't change this reality.We will never charge borders with pour kids as shields like beggers,sry.

Plus,most of you are on welfare,you don't even work,and I know what I'm talking about here.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

They don't offer a better life than UK (doughh!!) but compared to Pakistan we're light years away and you can rant all you want,it doesn't change this reality.

You are living in Uk so open your eyes and see the reality by comparing the living standards of the Pakistani community and eastern European in uk ..What you are doing in uk? Supplying cheap labour force?

Plus,most of you are on welfare,you don't even work,and I know what I'm talking about here.

Only British and settle person with ILR(indefinite leave to remain) can claim any benefits or these poor eastern Europeans who came along with their families

BRITAIN’S benefits system is being ransacked on an industrial scale by Romanians paying middlemen to squeeze money from UK taxpayers, The Sun can reveal.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...lping-migrants-drain-our-benefits-system.html

 

[flamer84]

You are living in Uk so open your eyes and see the reality by comparing the living standards of the Pakistani community and eastern European in uk ..What you are doing in uk? Supplying cheap labour force?


Only British and settle person with ILR(indefinite leave to remain) can claim any benefits or these poor eastern Europeans who came along with their families

BRITAIN’S benefits system is being ransacked on an industrial scale by Romanians paying middlemen to squeeze money from UK taxpayers, The Sun can reveal.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...lping-migrants-drain-our-benefits-system.html

I actually work within the vsystem so I know what I'm talking about.First off all,people of Pakistani decent can be 2nd generation and so on,second,in the eventuality of a Brexit,80% of EE workforce will stay on,trust me.Third,they actually prefere EE workers in hospitality for example,i won't elaborate here as you won't like the reasoning.

Plus,as I've said,poor EE now means Pakistan in 20 years so....

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I actually work within the vsystem so I know what I'm talking about.First off all,people of Pakistani decent can be 2nd generation and so on,second,in the eventuality of a Brexit,80% of EE workforce will stay on,trust me.Third,they actually prefere EE workers in hospitality for example,i won't elaborate here as you won't like the reasoning.

Plus,as I've said,poor EE now means Pakistan in 20 years so....

I have seen most eastern European workers only in labour marker, construction, cleaning, farms, warehouse operatives , waiters, builders etc and they are mostly in those low paid fields which dont require much qualification. Never seen any MP, Doctor, professor, Engineer or highly skilled person from these eastern european countries.

Pakistani 2nd or third generation in UK is educated and qualified because their parent gave them better education even if had to work overtime. Eastern European are also not business minded people as you need money/saving to run the business which they dont have as they come in this country empty handed and Britain need qualified people as everyone can do these labour jobs even if they just speak in broken English so they will surely not miss eastern European in case of Brexit . Right now its only businessman who are in favour of staying in Europe because they need cheap labour which eastern Europe provide them. I remember how wages got down when Romania and Bulgaria joined EU in 2007. If 80% eastern labour force will stay in here then what is the purpose of brexit then? Brexit is there to cap the benefit system and to control the immigration/free movement as per requirement

 

[flamer84]

I have seen most eastern European workers only in labour marker, construction, cleaning, farms, warehouse operatives , waiters, builders etc and they are mostly in those low paid fields which dont require much qualification. Never seen any MP, Doctor, professor, Engineer or highly skilled person from these eastern european. Pakistani 2nd or third generation is educated and qualified because their parent gave them better education even if had to work overtime. Eastern European are also not business minded people as you need money/saving to run the business which they dont have as they come in this country empty handed and Britain need qualified people as everyone can do these labour jobs even if they just speak in broken English so they will surely not miss eastern European in case of Brexit . Right now its only businessman who are in favour of staying in Europe because they need cheap labour which eastern Europe provide them. I remember how wages got down when Romania and Bulgaria joined EU in 2007. If 80% eastern labour force will stay in here and wil then what is the purpose of brexit then? Brexit is there to cap the benefit system and to control the immigration as per requirement

Don't worry,since i distribute them in here,i saw enough in all places.

Now,the only reason why you,and many British muslims rant against EE is because a qualified,experienced,educated European workforce has come to the UK.Sure,you'll deny it,tell me of 'what you have withnessed' but,again,i know of what i'm talking about(they're basically sucking Romanian hospitals dry for doctors).And,I also now that these new EE new comers don't swallow your sh7it born out of political corectness and you know you can't never compete with them on a educational level so you just rant on forums and hope for a BREXIT thinking that in this case your extended family may be allowed into the UK (30+ immediate relatives)

Well,no.....sry...

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Don't worry,since i distribute them in here,i saw enough in all places.

Now,the only reason why you,and many British muslims rant against EE is because a qualified,experienced,educated European workforce has come to the UK.Sure,you'll deny it,tell me of 'what you have withnessed' but,again,i know of what i'm talking about(they're basically sucking Romanian hospitals dry for doctors).And,I also now that these new EE new comers don't swallow your sh7it born oput of political corectness and you know you can't never compete with them on a educational level so you just rant on forums and hope for a BREXIT thinking that in this case your extended family may be allowed into the UK (30+ immediate relatives)

Well,no.....sry...

Non European has to work in this country for 10 or longer years before getting any settle status or access to any public funds. You must be naive if you think that getting UK settlement visa for non European dependants of a British national is easy process and there is no tough financial/language/accommodation requirements. If you try to bring 20 members then you will have to show that you can support these family members without any resource to public funds and have arranged decent accommodation for them for period of their stay .

You eastern European hijacked uk and its quiet funny that even local British people need to show evidence of earning £18000-24000 plus per annum to bring non EU partner/kids in UK along with paying additional cost of NHS £600 per annum and £1165 visa fees for each applicant while there is no such requirement for any national of European Union.. They dont pay NHS charges and can bring wife and dependants easily and can also have access to all benefits/health care without contributing anything.so will be quiet happy if Brtain leave EU and give this break to cheap labour of eastern European

 

[flamer84]

Non European has to work in this country for 10 or longer years before getting any settle status or access to any public funds. You must be naive if you think that getting UK settlement visa for non European dependants of a British national is easy process and there is no tough financial/language/accommodation requirements. If you try to bring 20 members then you will have to show that you can support these family members without any resource to public funds and have arranged decent accommodation for them for period of their stay .

You eastern European hijacked uk and its quiet funny that even local British people need to show evidence of earning £18000-24000 plus per annum to bring non EU partner/kids in UK along with paying additional cost of NHS £600 per annum and £1165 visa fees for each applicant while there is no such requirement for any national of European Union.. They dont pay NHS charges and can bring wife and dependants easily and can also have access to all benefits/health care without contributing anything.so will be quiet happy if Brtain leave EU and give this break to cheap labour of eastern European

The UK will leave the EU but EE workers won't leave the UK as they're a must in here.You heard it here first.

Ofcourse you can't bring your wife from Somalia or whateverSTAN with her 10 ducklings in toe just to have them participating at spitting at British troops rallies...dough!!!!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Proudpakistaniguy You really, really need to mull over the saying "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". I don't take any pleasure in saying this but Romania is about 25 years ahead of Pakistan in all aspects. Don't use the Gypsies as reflection of Romania as they are the dregs of their society. It's poor. But the word "poor" is relative. I am filthy rich compared to some hungry Somali but dirt poor compared to Bill Gates. Romania is poor by Western European standards but is veritable land of milk and honey compared to say Sahel.

As I said before I would be wary of lay citizens arresting people because of immigration status. Although the act is legal however it opens up the possibility of abuse as it would by necessity involve element of racial profiling. Therefore I would think a Prime Minister of a country would be extremely unwise to say what is reported. Of course at the end of day it is Bulgaria and as long as they did not beat up the arrested then really we can't make much drama out of this.

And I cannot imagine that UK would ever throw out any migrants on the scale that would be required especially with the merits of the East Europeans. Back in 1970s UK even took in Ugandan Indians when Idi Amin kicked them out all on the strength of the colonial connection. Eastern European workers came within the defined law of EU thus if UK left alternative rules would be established post facto to cover those workers.

Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

@Proudpakistaniguy You really, really need to mull over the saying "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". I don't take any pleasure in saying this but Romania is about 25 years ahead of Pakistan in all aspects. Don't use the Gypsies as reflection of Romania as they are the dregs of their society. It's poor. But the word "poor" is relative. I am filthy rich compared to some hungry Somali but dirt poor compared to Bill Gates. Romania is poor by Western European standards but is veritable land of milk and honey compared to say Sahel.

As I said before I would be wary of lay citizens arresting people because of immigration status. Although the act is legal however it opens up the possibility of abuse as it would by necessity involve element of racial profiling. Therefore I would think a Prime Minister of a country would be extremely unwise to say what is reported. Of course at the end of day it is Bulgaria and as long as they did not beat up the arrested then really we can't make much drama out of this.

And I cannot imagine that UK would ever throw out any migrants on the scale that would be required especially with the merits of the East Europeans. Back in 1970s UK even took in Ugandan Indians when Idi Amin kicked them out all on the strength of the colonial connection. Eastern European workers came within the defined law of EU thus if UK left alternative rules would be established post facto to cover those workers.

Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda

you really need to stop poking your nose between our discussion because we can speak for ourselves. Its your personal opinion that Romania is 25 years ahead of Pakistan in all aspects( dont know if you included military strength as well} and i dont agree with your statement because i have seen the living standards of average working class romanians/polish/bulgarins which was worse than most Pakistani. May be Pakistani poor lower class back home is worse than romanian lower class in Romania but Pakistani middle and upper class has better standard of living than average Romania , polish or Bulgarians. He is anti immigrant bigot and was getting the taste of his own medicine so stop buttering him because he dont deserve nice gesture

Pakistan is overpopulated as compare to Romania but these statistics of population living below poverty lines might surprise you

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2046.html