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Turkish Air Force has been direly impacted by the recent purge and the effects were felt very quickly in the battlefield. Despite having close to 300 fighters in the inventory and operating in a rather small operational arena, Turkey resorted asking US for air support for the ground forces. The well-publicized “joint” operations with Russia has been detrimental rather than instrumental, as recent suspiciously timed “friendly fire” incident during an air strike claimed the lives of 3 Turkish soldiers living 9 wounded.

The self-evident question is “Why is Turkish Air Forces not able to carry her own weight and provide the ground support required?” Certainly it is not the lack of material, as it has more fighters currently than any other Air Force in Europe. The answer lies within the human factor, as Turkey has lost more than half of its pilots due to ongoing purge, resulting in abysmal operational capability.

A REAL CONCERN FOR TURKEY

After the latest published decree with force of law regarding measures to be taken under the State of Emergency, the number of the Turkish Air Force pilots purged since 15th July 2016 has exceeded 550.

Measures taken under the State of Emergency[1] Pilots Purged from Turkish Air Force
Decree-Law NO. 668 of 27 July 2016 284
Decree-Law NO. 670 of 17 August 2016 8
Decree-Law NO. 675 of 29 October 2016 9
Decree-Law NO. 677 of 22 November 2016 90
Decree-Law NO. 679 of 06 January 2017 32
MOD Administrative decrees of September/October 2016 128
TOTAL
551
During a press interview on 15 August 2016, government spokesmen have declared that pilot/seat ratio has fallen to 0.8 after decree 668[2]. Since then, 267 more pilots have been purged, which brings down the pilot/seat ratio to a disastrous number of 0.4[3]. Also, it is important to point out that purge is still continuing and also some of the remaining pilots are suspended and waiting for an indeterminate future.

In a desperation effort, Turkish government doubled the pilot salaries with a decree and asked hundreds of pilots that had served mandatory service time and had left for the “Big White Aircraft – aka Civilian Airlines” to come back to service. The Turkish government had hoped and Ministry of Defence announced that hundreds of pilots would return “back home” from civilian airline companies. However results were heartbreaking and only 12 came back[5] which interestingly was paraded as a big success.

On the other hand, side effects of doubling pilot salaries are yet to surface. Even before the doubling act, large salary gap between pilots and other specialties were a source of discontent amongst the latter. After the dust settles, no doubt the “doubled” discontent will cause friction among ranks of Air Force.

The government sponsored media constantly tries to downplay the situation. In a recent news,[6] it is announced that the pilot shortage is decreasing significantly, as 225 new pilots were “ready to fly”. A closer look into this claim reveals that they have been talking about the number of pilot candidates planned for flight school, which will take years before they could be combat ready.

Even before the purge Turkish Air Force was struggling with manning the cockpits. In 2012, a decrease in mandatory service time from 15 years to 10 years was introduced. This change cost Air Force extra, as 53 additional pilots left service on average each year since 2012[7]. An average of 100 pilots graduate from Flight School in the Air Force per year and approximately 100 pilots leave Turkish Air Force to work at the commercial airlines each year, however the unexpected increase of departures from 100 to 153 already had a big impact for Turkish Air Force. Concern was so severe that the issue was brought up at both Council of Ministers and Turkish Grand National Assembly several times[8]. The pre-purge pilot shortages combined with additional 550 pilots purged since, sets and undeniably grim picture.

Turkish Air Force Commander General Abidin ÜNAL at the inauguration ceremony for 153rd SQ on November 2016. Small number of pilots for a squadron providing initial training for F-16

As the operations picks up in southern border, with old flames being rekindled in the west, the immediate threat that needs to be remedied is the number of combat ready pilots and the number of experienced pilots who plays a key role in planning and execution of operations[9]. Keeping in mind that the flight school has the capacity to train average 100 pilots a year at a maximum rate, pilot shortage will continue to be a major concern at least for the next 10 years[10]. However, most of the pilots that left during both pre-purge and purge periods were experienced instructor pilots, which brings up the question whether the pilot production rate can even catch up to the previous levels. Combined with increased operational tempo in the south, Air Force will have to make a decision on where they will employ the small number of experienced pilots. Most likely scenario is, immediate concerns on the operational front will override the mid-long term concerns, which will deepen the hole, Air Force is already in.

Another temporary solution created by the new decree is to give a second chance to the officers washed out from pilot training[11] years ago and are serving in different specialties such as intelligence officer, infantry officer etc. “Internal sourcing” approach will have the benefit of shortening the transition period compared to a civilian recruit, however fixing one hole by pulling cork from another hole is hardly a wise approach for saving the ship. Specialties such as air space controllers, targeteers have long training periods. The role of non-flyer specialties in combat effectiveness should not be overlooked. Pilot-centric mentality is a thing of the past, as operations gets more and more complicated and increased tempo requires more from the ground crews. Another problem with “Internal Sourcing” approach is the fact that it will undeniably lead to decreased standards in pilot training. Those candidates formerly washed-out due to failing to reach the standards will not suddenly find a newfound talent, and instructors will be forced to accept sub-standard candidates due to pressure from upper echelons to increase pilot output.

A REAL CONCERN FOR NATO

Expertise and experience lost following the military pilot purge is hard to regain since the remaining few is being used and abused in the dangerously high operational tempo in Euphrates Shield. The requirements for the air support in Operation Euphrates Shield is growing, as lack of adequate close air support has already cost 54 tanks/armored vehicles. The tremendous loss of fighter pilots restricts the Turkish Air Force operational tempo which in turn caused Turkey to urge US/European Allies to support operation in Al Bab. In fact, so dire is the situation that Turkey resorted asking “New Strategic Ally – Russian Air Force” for close air support marking a highly unusual military partnership between a NATO member and Moscow[12].

The purge of combat pilots will not just produce consequences for Turkish Armed Forces but also to NATO’s both peacetime and combat establishment as well. Turkey has a significant number of officer posts in NATO’s command structure of which considerable of them are pilots[13]. In an interview on early December, SACEUR General Curtis Scaparrotti expressed the effect of empty Turkish posts as “I had talented, capable people here, and I am taking a degradation of my staff for the skill, the expertise and the work they produced”. It will be very difficult for Turkey to fill these posts with experienced and qualified cadre as Turkey will no doubt choose to utilize those scarce assets in operations or training.

General Scaparotti’s concern is likely not limited to command structure. Turkish contribution to NATO’s strike power is also under question. NATO must keep in mind this serious critical capability shortfall since Turkey has more fighter jets than they could realistically fly and sustain in combat. This poses a grave vulnerability for the southern flank of NATO as Turkey is one of the largest providers of fighter aircraft in NATO.

In light of recent strategic shift towards Russia, whether Turkey would be willing to contribute to a major scale enduring NATO ops in the region, both in aircraft and basing, is the real troubling question amidst Erdogan’s post-purge “Strategic Adventurism”


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Complete propaganda. This is not "Erdoğan's purge" at all. If we Kemalists could took the government before the coup, we would do the exactly same purge in the Army and all other institutions against those islamist Fethollah mollahs. Fethollah terrorists are the enemy of the Republic of Turkey, not Erdoğan.

Meanwhile, thousands of Kemalists officers returned to duty in all ranks of the Army, those who assasinated by Fethollah courts before. Turkish Armed Forces is stronger than ever without islamist Fethollah terrorists and traitors.
 
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how is it propaganda if the claims are government claims? The numbers dont come from no were

Meanwhile, thousands of Kemalists officers returned to duty in all ranks of the Army, those who assasinated by Fethollah courts before. Turkish Armed Forces is stronger than ever without islamist Fethollah terrorists and traitors.

BTW the NATO see the Turkish Army in a completely different shape... weak lack of diciplin lack of leadership lack of competent officers.... the NATO HQ recive tons of warnings from NATO troops stationed in Turkey about the Chaos inside the turkish Army recently
 
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BTW the NATO see the Turkish Army in a completely different shape... weak lack of diciplin lack of leadership lack of competent officers.... the NATO HQ recive tons of warnings from NATO troops stationed in Turkey about the Chaos inside the turkish Army recently
And your source is?
 
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how is it propaganda, numbers dont come from no were
I didnt say that numbers are false, but article is propaganda. I even gave a reason in my second sentence. How this could be that hard to be understood by you? Calling this purge as "Erdoğan's purge" is biggest propaganda ever. Fethollah is not the enemy of Erdoğan, Fethollah mollahs are the enemies of the Secular Republic of Turkey at all. You should be ashamed to force me to repeat myself since i already wrote these in my first post in this thread. Or, maybe you didnt even read it?

BTW the NATO see the Turkish Army in a completely different shape
Turkish Army is the NATO, we are the NATO. Now, you can dismiss.
 
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We asked for air supoort in al-bab because some other reasons ;

- First of all We wanted to see our allies would support us or not,

- the syrian government treated us at the begining of the operation ES. we wanted the coalition aircrafts over al-bab , so syrian and russian air defence systems to be closed.

- your (german) tornado R aircrafts (using incirlik base) were not sharing field photographs with us , by asking support , we declared this situation to public.

- at first we had showed to public : we wanted to work together wlth our allies, but you see they refused us. Then we had right to approach to russia and our own interests.

Bla bla bla...
 
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If Turkey is in short supply Pak folks are always there to help!!! Anyway, illegally dismissed and retired folks are easing out the shortage...
 
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Turkish Army is the NATO, we are the NATO. Now, you can dismiss.

Are you sure that the turkish Army still is NATO...wonder why so many turkish soldier seek for asylum in Germany because of Erdogans purge .... overall the number of requests for asylum from turkish citizen in Germany has raised by whopping 80% since 2016

you know the reason why u get no support.... not allowning german politicans visiting german soldiers on duty for the NATO in Turkey pissed of a lot of people in Germany and the majority wants that german politicans pull the trigger and get all equipment and soliders back and stop every economy trade and weapon trade with Turkey... throw out all Erdogan spys including UETD and stop all work with turkish cultural groups in Germany. Most people in Turkey do not even realize how calm european politicans handles the situation... if the people on street would have the power Turkey would have been already kicked out of NATO and left behind with no trade with Europe and all turkish citizen without double passport would have been send back... that is the reality what people an street think.
Most people in Europe are realy pissed off by the childish behaivor and talk of Erdogan and his ministers... shouting out loud that Erdogan can go in Europe were he wants whenever he wants and calling victimes of the NAZI regime NAZI is inacceptable... did this man even notice the booom in his head for all this stupid shit he shout out loud?
I am pretty sure someone from Germany had a unpublished phoncall or meeting with Erdogan because suddenly he shuut the f*ck up about that he or his minister visiting Germany for referendum campaign events.
Someone showed Erdogan the consequens by ruining turkey economy which europe can do pretty easy and pretty quick and Erdogan could do nothing to stop europe ruin turkey economy... giant unemploymentrate... running inflation...worthless money ... one or two years and Turkey economy would be fiished
Europe does not need Turkey and does not need Erdogan... but Turkey needs europe badly... thats the bitter truth Erdogan dont wanna hear
 
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If Turkey is in short supply Pak folks are always there to help!!! Anyway, illegally dismissed and retired folks are easing out the shortage...
I dont know if the news is true or propaganda as Turkey is lately receiving a lot of western Propaganda against it but if Turkey asks, i dont see why Pakistan wont oblige. This is what brothers are for.
 
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Are you sure that the turkish Army still is NATO...wonder why so many turkish soldier seek for asylum in Germany because of Erdogans purge .... overall the number of requests for asylum from turkish citizen in Germany has raised by whopping 80% since 2016

You can take all of the runners, we are ok with that.

you know the reason why u get no support.... not allowning german politicans visiting german soldiers on duty for the NATO in Turkey pissed of a lot of people in Germany and the majority wants that german politicans pull the trigger and get all equipment and soliders back and stop every economy trade and weapon trade with Turkey...

If Germany could do such a thing without consequences they could do already by now.

if the people on street would have the power Turkey would have been already kicked out of NATO and left behind with no trade with Europe and all turkish citizen without double passport would have been send back... that is the reality what people an street think.

That's the reason people like you on the streets don't run the countries.

I am pretty sure someone from Germany had a unpublished phoncall or meeting with Erdogan because suddenly he shuut the f*ck up about that he or his minister visiting Germany for referendum campaign events.

You exeggrate yourself and apperantly don't know Erdoğan :D

Someone showed Erdogan the consequens by ruining turkey economy which europe can do pretty easy and pretty quick and Erdogan could do nothing to stop europe ruin turkey economy... giant unemploymentrate... running inflation...worthless money ... one or two years and Turkey economy would be fiished

Turkish economy grows for 30 quarters in a row :D

Europe does not need Turkey and does not need Erdogan... but Turkey needs europe badly... thats the bitter truth Erdogan dont wanna hear

Except bilateral trade and business I don't think Turkey is in love with Europe :D
 
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That's the reason people like you on the streets don't run the countries.



You exeggrate yourself and apperantly don't know Erdoğan :D



Turkish economy grows for 30 quarters in a row :D



Except bilateral trade and business I don't think Turkey is in love with Europe :D

Never claimed that it is my opinion...rethoric fail from you ...try harder..
Turkey growns on such a low level that it is realy impossible to fail a grow rate the last 30 quaters...

From 1990 the overall world trade has grown from $ 3.500million to whopping $19.003.732million in 2014...

you have to try hard with a emergin country like Turkey, not to grow stady in such a situation.
 
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Never claimed that it is my opinion...rethoric fail from you ...try harder..
Turkey growns on such a low level that it is realy impossible to fail a grow rate the last 30 quaters...

From 1990 the overall world trade has grown from $ 3.500million to whopping $19.003.732million in 2014...

you have to try hard with a emergin country like Turkey, not to grow stady in such a situation.

Typical German :D

Since 2002 growth rate is above avg. % 4.7, guess what, it's greater than EU ( % 1.7 ), World (% 2.6), OECD ( %1.8 ) average growth rate.
4. in Europe, 3. in G20, OECD 2. -expected in 2017- ( beside above Turkey none of them have terror problems, war at neighborhood and coup attempts etc. )

Keep wishing that economy will doom :D
 
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throw out all Erdogan spys including UETD and stop all work with turkish cultural groups in Germany

After referandum Turkey will kick all so called " German Foundations and NGO's in a..s"!
Then you will get evidence who is syping for whom.
German Bundeswehr is weak. Without French and US logistics they couldn't operate in Mali and Afghanistan.
Now they operate a new air transport fleet together with the French and ordered new C-130 Hercules.
 
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Typical German :D

Since 2002 growth rate is above avg. % 4.7, guess what, it's greater than EU ( % 1.7 ), World (% 2.6), OECD ( %1.8 ) average growth rate.
4. in Europe, 3. in G20, OECD 2. -expected in 2017- ( beside above Turkey none of them have terror problems, war at neighborhood and coup attempts etc. )

Keep wishing that economy will doom :D
He isnt wrong regarding economy.
 
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