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Media captionIn the video released by the YPG a man with an American accent is heard saying they are prepared to fight
British men are among a group of international volunteers preparing to fight against Turkish-led forces in north-west Syria, the BBC understands.

They have joined the Kurdish militia, the YPG, to fight the Turkish offensive on the Kurdish-held enclave of Afrin.

Among the volunteers is a 24-year-old British-Chinese fighter from Manchester, known as Huang Lei.

Lei, who originally travelled to Syria in 2015 to battle against IS, told the BBC it was his "duty" to fight.

The YPG has released a video showing an international group of volunteers who previously fought in Syria against so-called Islamic State.

Lei has told the BBC that there are two other Britons with him among the group, although they have chosen to remain anonymous.

In the video, an American says: "We're all ready to go and fight in Afrin, against the invading force of Turkey.

"We've been training for a significant amount of time. We are prepared, and we have been supplied by the YPG to fight against the Turkish terrorists."

Image captionHuang Lei was a student studying international politics at the University of Manchester when he travelled to Syria in 2015
"We were fighting against ISIS in Syria and suddenly we heard that Turkey is attacking Afrin and bombing the city," he says.

"We want to go there to help people defend the city and protect the people."

Image captionHuang Lei, pictured with another fighter, says there is now a group of around 20 international volunteers preparing to fight against Turkish-led forces
This marks a significant shift in the involvement of international fighters in the Syrian war.

With the IS threat diminished, for some volunteers their mission has changed.

Image captionYPG fighters have been seen to the north-east of Afrin
"Defending Afrin is our duty," says Lei, who was a student studying international politics at the University of Manchester when he travelled to Syria in 2015.

'My motivation'
Turkey views the YPG as terrorists and has launched a new offensive to drive Kurdish fighters out of Afrin.

Lei says there is now a group of around 20 international volunteers who will go to defend the city, including Britons from Manchester, London and Leeds, and others from France, Germany, Spain and the US.

He says: "For me personally, the kindness and comradeship the Kurdish people have shown is my motivation to stand against Turkey".

Image captionTurkish-led forces launched an offensive to drive a Kurdish Militia out of the Afrin region on Saturday
The British Foreign Office has repeatedly warned people not to get involved in fighting abroad, so signs of changing motivations from western anti-IS fighters may prompt fresh concern.

Michael Stephens, a Middle East analyst from the Royal United Services Institute, said: "Previously their actions had aligned completely with the goals of coalition partners.

"Now these volunteers are taking on a sovereign country and a NATO ally and this brings up certain legal considerations."

Lei accepts he may face consequences if he comes back to Britain.

"I really hope I can return, but I don't want to come back and get arrested," he says.

"I am here to fight against terrorists. I don't want to come back home and become a terrorist."

'Afraid of death'
Lei has survived battles against IS, but a fight against the Turkish military may place him in even greater danger.

The Turkish army have been shelling Afrin, killing civilians as well as YPG fighters.

Does he fears this prospect?

"Of course I am afraid of death," he says. "But, on a basic level, so is every human fighting in the YPG."
 
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This is a very troubling development for the region and international security.
 
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The Kurds is a classic example of how image can be re-constructed. Kurds are a tribal, Muslim peoples with culture that has elements of misogyny. For instance Female Genital Mutilation is found within the Kurdish society.

Yet today in the West the Kurds are a people who can't do anything wrong - they are almost as favoured as the Jews. Here the Kurds face a modern, liberal secular Turkey that is member of NATO but all the tears are reserved for the Kurds.

Lesson for Pakistani's here.
 
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Here the Kurds face a modern, liberal secular Turkey that is member of NATO but all the tears are reserved for the Kurds.
After the coronation of caliph Erdogan, Turkey is not as secular or liberal as other NATO countries.
 
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After the coronation of caliph Erdogan, Turkey is not as secular or liberal as other NATO countries.
Despite what you think having visited Turkey it is a society that is far more Westernized, liberal, European with far greater female emancipation then any Indian can imagine even in a wet dream in 100 years.
 
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Despite what you think having visited Turkey it is a society that is far more Westernized, liberal, European with far greater female emancipation then any Indian can imagine even a wet dream in 100 years.
I recently visited turkey.....Yes modern indeed with very much a Muslim theme. And it's on the increase. I saw a young girl wearing a mini skirt in topkori palace and let's say the Turks were not happy with her dress.
 
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I saw a young girl wearing a mini skirt in topkori palace and let's say the Turks were not happy with her dress.
Many Turkish women wear mini-skirt. The Turks don't have this west/east dichotomy because Istanbul is the "West". The Turks have entirely differant interpretation of Islam - for lack of better term they have "European Islam" along Bosnian Muslims, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc in Russia. In Pakistan we have "Desi Islam". Etc etc.
 
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Many Turkish women wear mini-skirt. The Turks don't have this west/east dichotomy because Istanbul is the "West". The Turks have entirely differant interpretation of Islam - for lack of better term they have "European Islam" along Bosnian Muslims, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc in Russia. In Pakistan we have "Desi Islam". Etc etc.
I think you are very mistaken....European Islam. Loool. Ok mate
 
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I think you are very mistaken
I am sometimes "mistaken". But not in this instance. Bosnian, Turkish, Tatar, Bashkir Islam is nothing like the variant found in Pakistan. I don't think you have been "exposed" to the world or have travelled enough to know this.

Your version of Islam would barely converge with 10% of what is practiced in Bosnia or Turkey. And that is a fact. Your Islam is a bastardized child of Arab meets desi Indian. Or what you think is a Arab.
 
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I am sometimes "mistaken". But not in this instance. Bosnian, Turkish, Tatar, Bashkir Islam is nothing like the variant found in Pakistan. I don't think you have been "exposed" to the world or have travelled enough to know this.

Your version of Islam would barely converge with 10% of what is practiced in Bosnia or Turkey. And that is a fact. Your Islam is a bastardized child of Arab meets desi Indian. Or what you think is a Arab.
Loooool I only travel full time. I don't work. Gave that up years ago. But no worries we don't know each other so easy mistake.
I agree Bosnians Islam is messed up. Turkey is very much different.
As for Pakistan the Islam here in some quarters is a mess.
 
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Despite what you think having visited Turkey it is a society that is far more Westernized, liberal, European with far greater female emancipation then any Indian can imagine even in a wet dream in 100 years.
Yes I agree, and I would like to keep Turkey like that.
But Mr Erdogan may have other plans in his mind.
And as usual the moderate liberal majority of Turkey will remain silent when the ultra religious minority spreads its wings just like in Pakistan. Now I would not like Turkey to be like Pakistan.
 
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