British govt should stop Altaf Hussain from threatening Rangers: Nisar

[K-Xeroid]

You are saying like Karachiite are not even Interested in Peace. Buddy There is a difference in approach here you suggest to get rid of MQM and then wait and watch ignoring the fact that if there wont be MQM then their would be other Mafias running the street and so many Political Parties would keep the City Divided. Do you have any idea about how many Mafias are existing in Karachi and are not being able to make their move just because MQM strength?Just go to Rabia City sometime they asked MQM to clean up those ANP thugs from there after living there for four years under siege. There are more then it then just MQM Crimes in Karachi.

Where i said that only get rid of Mqm and others are fine? here only difference is that other mafia are local and not having external links, but Mqm is directly serving external interests in Pakistan, Their politics revolve around ethnic and sectarian difference. Instead of politics they believe in gun culture, and if government let Mqm continue and kill others then it will been seen as state sponsored terrorism and state would never want a civil disturbance specially in a giant city like Karachi. Here mother of most crime is Mqm in Karachi, the real terror for karachi'ites today is Mqm. Rest are already getting weak everyday.

 

[Gazi]

Where i said that only get rid of Mqm and others are fine? here only difference is that other mafia are local and not having external links, but Mqm is directly serving external interests in Pakistan, Their politics revolve around ethnic and sectarian difference. Instead of politics they believe in gun culture, and if government let Mqm continue and kill others then it will been seen as state sponsored terrorism and state would never want a civil disturbance specially in a giant city like Karachi. Here mother of most crime is Mqm in Karachi, the real terror for karachi'ites today is Mqm. Rest are already getting weak everyday.

Come out of this local and external thing already because its Karachi at stake here. There should a limit to conspiracy Theories and for your kind information those other Mafias does have internal Links as well like Habib Jan Baluch is currently Hiding in London those SSP and other Terrorists Allegedly have Saudi Support and those Afghans are known Drug Cartels in Karachi so everyone has some External Links here not just MQM. The only difference is that MQM has that quite open to all which is understandable because they are well known Political Party with local support Base so their is no restrictions on them to contact foreign Govt. just like all other Politicians in Pakistan.

There Politics is no Longer revolves around Ethnic Lines rather its kind of REGIONAL LINES as the biggest Stakeholder in Karachi they use to have lot of Karachi related Stance and that is not Ethnicity Based as well because all the ethnicity in Pakistan lives here so its kind of Pluralism now a days rather then Ethnicity. The gun Culture was introduced by Afghans in Karachi not by MQM and it is well known fact if MQM has their number of Guns then those others are way better Equipped and their equipment were even used against our LEAs as well so Singling out MQM among the rest is a bias that needs to be stopped. There is no defense for them having Guns but when we have Bigger mess that is out of Karachi's permanent LEAs control due to Incompetence then its tolerable proposition because Self Defense comes to equation here.

 

[K-Xeroid]

Come out of this local and external thing already because its Karachi at stake here. There should a limit to conspiracy Theories and for your kind information those other Mafias does have internal Links as well like Habib Jan Baluch is currently Hiding in London those SSP and other Terrorists Allegedly have Saudi Support and those Afghans are known Drug Cartels in Karachi so everyone has some External Links here not just MQM. The only difference is that MQM has that quite open to all which is understandable because they are well known Political Party with local support Base so their is no restrictions on them to contact foreign Govt. just like all other Politicians in Pakistan.
There Politics is no Longer revolves around Ethnic Lines rather its kind of REGIONAL LINES as the biggest Stakeholder in Karachi they use to have lot of Karachi related Stance and that is not Ethnicity Based as well because all the ethnicity in Pakistan lives here so its kind of Pluralism now a days rather then Ethnicity. The gun Culture was introduced by Afghans in Karachi not by MQM and it is well known fact if MQM has their number of Guns then those others are way better Equipped and their equipment were even used against our LEAs as well so Singling out MQM among the rest is a bias that needs to be stopped. There is no defense for them having Guns but when we have Bigger mess that is out of Karachi's permanent LEAs control due to Incompetence then its tolerable proposition because Self Defense comes to equation here.

This operation have already targeted local groups first, and delayed any direct action against Mqm for 1 year, and even if they are acting against Mqm then its not to eliminate them but to clean them from criminal elements and baluch gangs or Sectarian groups don't have as much resources on ground to shutter off complete city or have K-2 , Pahri etc type of century makers, Not have nine zero type of headquarter that holds large amount of lethal weapons. as I told you on other thread that most of the city is in Mqm thug control. Mqm is ethnic based political party where G A Muhajir and Muhajir wazir alla kyun nahi kind of slogans are common, even after raid on Nine zero a common sentiment found among Mqm supporters is that Muhajiro ku phir se target kiya jaraha hey and its Mqm thugs that attacks liyari not Liyari that attack azizabad. Its Mqm thugs those are involved in sectarian target killings of both rival sectarian group, killing religious scholars, Professors etc. and trust me mate if any fair election in Karachi happens then it will expose Mqm's support reality. Anyone can win elections with guns.

 

[Gazi]

This operation have already targeted local groups first, and delayed any direct action against Mqm for 1 year, and even if they are acting against Mqm then its not to eliminate them but to clean them from criminal elements and baluch gangs or Sectarian groups don't have as much resources on ground to shutter off complete city or have K-2 , Pahri etc type of century makers, Not have nine zero type of headquarter that holds large amount of lethal weapons. as I told you on other thread that most of the city is in Mqm thug control. Mqm is ethnic based political party where G A Muhajir and Muhajir wazir alla kyun nahi kind of slogans are common, even after raid on Nine zero a common sentiment found among Mqm supporters is that Muhajiro ku phir se target kiya jaraha hey and its Mqm thugs that attacks liyari not Liyari that attack azizabad. Its Mqm thugs those are involved in sectarian target killings of both rival sectarian group, killing religious scholars, Professors etc. and trust me mate if any fair election in Karachi happens then it will expose Mqm's support reality. Anyone can win elections with guns.

I can see how many Local Groups have targeted by looking at Two Bomb Blast Blasts and then followup through Operation at Bangash Calony near Orangi Town where they have recovered Explosives. If this is indiscriminate Operation then its Strategy not working for them any more.

DO you even know how many people that Uzair Baluch has killed in last couple of years?He and his Cronies are Century Makers as well and the point here is that they are century maker within very Confined area of Lyari district alone while MQM is located in 80% of Karachi so comparing them with MQM is quite Absurd the only reason why they didnt Expand to Old City Area was MQM and people of that area Acknowledge that this is why Old City Areas re polling of NA 250 had a very low turnout because MQM decided to Boycott that. Ask Kuchi Community they had to Evacuate their home in Lyari all due to Gang War and today their support was the reason why MQM Surprisingly won Kiamari Seat which has 30% Kuchi Population.

Those Muhajir Slogans are just Confined to low life workers only rather then overall MQM and the reason why those Muhajir Slogan was heard near Nine Zero was because the near by Population is Vast majority of Muhajir and if that happened in Saddar then Muhajir Slogan wont be heard there. You are totally wrong regarding Sectarian Violenece because even today an Ahl-e-Tashi Janaza cant go passing through Sohrab Goth because Banned outfits does straight Firing from there and there are more examples like that even Oranzaib Farooqui was about to won PS 128 so they do have lots of strength and this whole sectarian Violence Allegation is quite absurd and its only thing that comes from Haters instead of a reasonable person so you must be another hater that want MQM gone and in Denial mode that other Mafias exist and are bigger Threat then MQM ever was in Karachi.

 

[K-Xeroid]

I can see how many Local Groups have targeted by looking at Two Bomb Blast Blasts and then followup through Operation at Bangash Calony near Orangi Town where they have recovered Explosives. If this is indiscriminate Operation then its Strategy not working for them any more.
DO you even know how many people that Uzair Baluch has killed in last couple of years?He and his Cronies are Century Makers as well and the point here is that they are century maker within very Confined area of Lyari district alone while MQM is located in 80% of Karachi so comparing them with MQM is quite Absurd the only reason why they didnt Expand to Old City Area was MQM and people of that area Acknowledge that this is why Old City Areas re polling of NA 250 had a very low turnout because MQM decided to Boycott that. Ask Kuchi Community they had to Evacuate their home in Lyari all due to Gang War and today their support was the reason why MQM Surprisingly won Kiamari Seat which has 30% Kuchi Population.
Those Muhajir Slogans are just Confined to low life workers only rather then overall MQM and the reason why those Muhajir Slogan was heard near Nine Zero was because the near by Population is Vast majority of Muhajir and if that happened in Saddar then Muhajir Slogan wont be heard there. You are totally wrong regarding Sectarian Violenece because even today an Ahl-e-Tashi Janaza cant go passing through Sohrab Goth because Banned outfits does straight Firing from there and there are more examples like that even Oranzaib Farooqui was about to won PS 128 so they do have lots of strength and this whole sectarian Violence Allegation is quite absurd and its only thing that comes from Haters instead of a reasonable person so you must be another hater that want MQM gone and in Denial mode that other Mafias exist and are bigger Threat then MQM ever was in Karachi.

Pakistan is in state of war, and cannot avoid bomb blasts. here is difference between war on terror and target killing. and If terrorist launch their attack in any city then they are getting befitting reply from our security forces also. now just because of one bad if state support another bad then say bye bye to state. Its state's responsibility to act against any form of terror,aggression against citizens of Pakistan. you are demanding Mqm to counter ttp is like supporting BLA against ttp and as far as sectarian matters in karachi are concerned then Mqm itself is part of that problem. you are seeking solutions by introducing another problem.

Here no one is supporting uzair baloch, even I ask you to leave Mqm and push our state to act against Uzair, ttp, Mqm everyone. It means that I'm agreed with your points related to kutchi community but saying that kutchi community itself is peaceful and straight community then that is arguable. Kutchi and baloch had lived peacefully for decades until criminal elements among kutchis started to use their community with support of Mqm to increase their influence, they just don't have conflicted with Baloch but Pathan, Hazara and other ethnic communities their also. so baloch community then used gang war elements against them, similarly other communities also clashed with kutchis on separate matters in different occasions and Mqm used that ethnic conflict in their favor. so this even prove that Mqm exploit ethnic and sectarian differences to maintain their vote bank. Inciting hatred among citizens against each other.

If killing have happened in sohrab goth or PS-128 and only shias are being targeted then i say SSP involved only, but not only shia are being targeted its people of every sects, student of seminaries, members of political parties and scholars etc, and CCTV footage shows that such target killings are not carried out by bearded talibs, but member of urdu speaking community can be clearly seen, Those low life workers a.k.a Target killer are orchestrated by Mqm. its not me but AIG Ghulam Qadir thebo confirmed that the Shia professors and sunni scholars are specially targeted in those areas where Mqm target killers move freely and element arrested for those crimes are linked with Mqm.

 

[Gazi]

Pakistan is in state of war, and cannot avoid bomb blasts. here is difference between war on terror and target killing. and If terrorist launch their attack in any city then they are getting befitting reply from our security forces also. now just because of one bad if state support another bad then say bye bye to state. Its state's responsibility to act against any form of terror,aggression against citizens of Pakistan. you are demanding Mqm to counter ttp is like supporting BLA against ttp and as far as sectarian matters in karachi are concerned then Mqm itself is part of that problem. you are seeking solutions by introducing another problem.

State has to work with Public opinion because its democracy and Public Opinion matters for the State and in the end of the day MQM is democrat so going against them would be considered Discrimination and they do have Loyal Support Base and even to Fanatical level. The terrorists doesnt believe on Democracy or Pakistani System on the first place so the rule on them doesnt apply on MQM completely. MQM has been countering TTP for a long time when these Agencies were Sleeping and our Perminent LEAs in Karachi are given in the hands of a nut job like Zulfiqar Mirza who was giving Criminal Elements against MQM Licenses and do you think future would be different is a very Naive thinking because Rangers would come in and do their Job until they clear and left after that those Elements would return with Different names and with New confidence of no Resistance while Politicians would be singing Karachi is peaceful all day long. That is something no one wants to happened but has a possibility to happen.

Here no one is supporting uzair baloch, even I ask you to leave Mqm and push our state to act against Uzair, ttp, Mqm everyone. It means that I'm agreed with your points related to kutchi community but saying that kutchi community itself is peaceful and straight community then that is arguable. Kutchi and baloch had lived peacefully for decades until criminal elements among kutchis started to use their community with support of Mqm to increase their influence, they just don't have conflicted with Baloch but Pathan, Hazara and other ethnic communities their also. so baloch community then used gang war elements against them, similarly other communities also clashed with kutchis on separate matters in different occasions and Mqm used that ethnic conflict in their favor. so this even prove that Mqm exploit ethnic and sectarian differences to maintain their vote bank. Inciting hatred among citizens against each other.

It was you who claim that no other party has Criminals with 100+ murder charges on that point I gave you a person who has more then that known and countless more unknown cases of Murderer. Kuchi community is a business community that was Pushed to wall and forced into weapons just like most of MQM related Target killers. MQM shouted for years as well as these people to get rid of Criminals from Lyari but our LEA doesnt even listen a single time. These people carry weapons for self defense not for extortion because they are already well of and part of Business that happen in Old City Area so there profession is not Crime so they did what they suppose and it was LEA's jobs to protect them but LEA didnt.

If killing have happened in sohrab goth or PS-128 and only shias are being targeted then i say SSP involved only, but not only shia are being targeted its people of every sects, student of seminaries, members of political parties and scholars etc, and CCTV footage shows that such target killings are not carried out by bearded talibs, but member of urdu speaking community can be clearly seen, Those low life workers a.k.a Target killer are orchestrated by Mqm. its not me but AIG Ghulam Qadir thebo confirmed that the Shia professors and sunni scholars are specially targeted in those areas where Mqm target killers move freely and element arrested for those crimes are linked with Mqm.

You know the killing at Sohrab Goth has happened of all the people indeed and MQM was the one which ask for CLEAN UP of that area while rest of opponents shouted RACISM now tell me was it MQM's Mistake those people towards Sohrab Goth Killed or their Opponents who deny everything just for their petty Politics? Shias were Specially Targeted as their Grave is located in Super highway and People of Abbas Town and Ancholi that was the shortest Route otherwise they had to take a University Road route that joins Super Highway via Airport to Super Highway road. All those who were Killed were killed because of people involve in Anti MQM Politics while confidently denying existence of those terrorists in mentioned areas and they want to replace MQM right now with their Denial Modes in the past.

Do you know PS 128 was contested by Oranzaib Farooqui who lost by tiniest Margin of 200 Votes while PTI and ANP boycotted the polls in favor of MDM as their Vote bank switched their Votes to MDM while MQM alone gave the stand there. This is PTI who just wanted to prove MQM rigging Elections even go this low to support Sectarian Outfits. Having beard or not is irrelevant for an operative of these Organizations there is no Hard and Fast rule here all kind of Criminals can be part of them like Haqiqi and Punjabi Pakhtun Ittehad Leftovers now taking Refuge in these organizations. That AIG has no Credibility because his setup is most incompetent in Karachi so his mouth his allegations are worthless as in the end of the day even he wont be able to PROOF his allegations in Court.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

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[K-Xeroid]

State has to work with Public opinion because its democracy and Public Opinion matters for the State and in the end of the day MQM is democrat so going against them would be considered Discrimination and they do have Loyal Support Base and even to Fanatical level. The terrorists doesnt believe on Democracy or Pakistani System on the first place so the rule on them doesnt apply on MQM completely. MQM has been countering TTP for a long time when these Agencies were Sleeping and our Perminent LEAs in Karachi are given in the hands of a nut job like Zulfiqar Mirza who was giving Criminal Elements against MQM Licenses and do you think future would be different is a very Naive thinking because Rangers would come in and do their Job until they clear and left after that those Elements would return with Different names and with New confidence of no Resistance while Politicians would be singing Karachi is peaceful all day long. That is something no one wants to happened but has a possibility to happen.

Mqm is not a public but a segment, A political movement which itself is cause of most of armed clashes and violence in karachi. Mqm is neither a democrat because it support military coup and demands army to take over country's civilian administration, Mqm leader Mr Altaf considers the separation of Pakistan from Hindustan as blunder as his speech during indian visit reflects his clear views. rest of all you said are just Mqm way to avoid this operation against them, state can call Pakistan rangers when ever they will be needed. At the moment its Mqm that is cause of violence and if state want peace in Karachi then Mqm must be dealt with iron fist.

It was you who claim that no other party has Criminals with 100+ murder charges on that point I gave you a person who has more then that known and countless more unknown cases of Murderer.

Wrong i said that other party are involved in criminal activities in specific areas, but Mqm crime influence can be observed in whole city, Gang war had a influence in Liyari and maripur but after operation, Maripur is clear now and their influence is now limited to liyari, and rapidly decreasing.

Kuchi community is a business community that was Pushed to wall and forced into weapons just like most of MQM related Target killers. MQM shouted for years as well as these people to get rid of Criminals from Lyari but our LEA doesnt even listen a single time. These people carry weapons for self defense not for extortion because they are already well of and part of Business that happen in Old City Area so there profession is not Crime so they did what they suppose and it was LEA's jobs to protect them but LEA didnt.

Wrong,its memon community that is business community, Kutchis are different ethnic group and are related with fisheries. just like saraikis and Punjabis are different. Kutchi community itself was part of gang war and was a well known for supporting PPP. many of mobile snatchers in maripur areas were of kutchi community. as i told you due to continue aggressive behavior from specific people of this community they created rivalry with other ethnic groups then whole community was pushed into conflict by Mqm. Kutchis have also launched attacks on mosques during conflicts. don't confuse Kutchis with relatively peaceful and educated memons. kutchi community is relatively uneducated and not any of them can be found in research related higher studies.

You know the killing at Sohrab Goth has happened of all the people indeed and MQM was the one which ask for CLEAN UP of that area while rest of opponents shouted RACISM now tell me was it MQM's Mistake those people towards Sohrab Goth Killed or their Opponents who deny everything just for their petty Politics? Shias were Specially Targeted as their Grave is located in Super highway and People of Abbas Town and Ancholi that was the shortest Route otherwise they had to take a University Road route that joins Super Highway via Airport to Super Highway road. All those who were Killed were killed because of people involve in Anti MQM Politics while confidently denying existence of those terrorists in mentioned areas and they want to replace MQM right now with their Denial Modes in the past.
Do you know PS 128 was contested by Oranzaib Farooqui who lost by tiniest Margin of 200 Votes while PTI and ANP boycotted the polls in favor of MDM as their Vote bank switched their Votes to MDM while MQM alone gave the stand there. This is PTI who just wanted to prove MQM rigging Elections even go this low to support Sectarian Outfits. Having beard or not is irrelevant for an operative of these Organizations there is no Hard and Fast rule here all kind of Criminals can be part of them like Haqiqi and Punjabi Pakhtun Ittehad Leftovers now taking Refuge in these organizations. That AIG has no Credibility because his setup is most incompetent in Karachi so his mouth his allegations are worthless as in the end of the day even he wont be able to PROOF his allegations in Court.

These points prove nothing , you are comparing 3% region with whole Karachi, I know that police have continuously carried out raid and encounters in sohrab goth, but I think Mqm want some sort of carpet bombing against those ethnic communities which don't support them, then whether the causes would be any,their opponents must be annihilated.

 

[Gazi]

Mqm is not a public but a segment, A political movement which itself is cause of most of armed clashes and violence in karachi. Mqm is neither a democrat because it support military coup and demands army to take over country's civilian administration, Mqm leader Mr Altaf considers the separation of Pakistan from Hindustan as blunder as his speech during indian visit reflects his clear views. rest of all you said are just Mqm way to avoid this operation against them, state can call Pakistan rangers when ever they will be needed. At the moment its Mqm that is cause of violence and if state want peace in Karachi then Mqm must be dealt with iron fist.

It was JI that introduce Arms to Politics not MQM they just Reciprocate what JI did and most of those Armed Clashes were not Initiated by MQM rather it was others who played with Fire and MQM did retaliate because LEAs were not helping. As for Military Coup point they are saying according to public Wishes because Democrats themselves have failed the country so they are actually following a Public opinion in that stance whether you call it undemocratic. As for Hindustan speech no one over here has taken Seriously except for Haters because it was directed towards those people who wants to RETURN not for those who wants to stay. At the moment its not MQM that is cause of violence but different types of Mafias that exist in Karachi what MQM did is retaliate and people like you crying for their Retaliation and they are justified because LEA is incompetent in dealing with those Mafias.

Wrong i said that other party are involved in criminal activities in specific areas, but Mqm crime influence can be observed in whole city, Gang war had a influence in Liyari and maripur but after operation, Maripur is clear now and their influence is now limited to liyari, and rapidly decreasing.

They are confined to be Operational from those areas there crimes are all around the city like Lyari Gang War were involved in Extortion throughout SITE, Sher Shah and Old City area as well and they also have hiding spots in Malir, Sachal and Shanti Nagar as well. Its well known throughout Karachi irrespective of your Denial mode.

Wrong,its memon community that is business community, Kutchis are different ethnic group and are related with fisheries. just like saraikis and Punjabis are different. Kutchi community itself was part of gang war and was a well known for supporting PPP. many of mobile snatchers in maripur areas were of kutchi community. as i told you due to continue aggressive behavior from specific people of this community they created rivalry with other ethnic groups then whole community was pushed into conflict by Mqm. Kutchis have also launched attacks on mosques during conflicts. don't confuse Kutchis with relatively peaceful and educated memons. kutchi community is relatively uneducated and not any of them can be found in research related higher studies.

Buddy it is you who is confused here not me because you are MIXING Makranis and Kuchis along as Makrani are Speaker of Mixed Urdu Dialect with Baluchi Language and are inhabitant of Baluchistan region while those Kuchis are Sindhi Speakers and are inhabitant of Run of Kutch which is another Disputed Territory between Pakistan and India. Memons on the other Hand are Gujrati Dialect Speakers and are included in the current Definition of Muhajir(Non Urdu Speaking Migrants) and their support are mixed between PMLN and MQM as MQM got Rasheed Godil, Sagher Ahmad and one and only Farooq Sattar who are Memons. They do dominate Business Community but they are not the only ones here as there are Dehli Walas(Owner of Shan Foods, Tapal Tea and other Industries), Kuchis(Mostly small scale Business in Kharadar and Lyari Area), Chiniotis(use to be big Textile Tycons but today are related to Merchandise), Bohris(Largest Hardware items and Machine Parts Seller) and Agha Khanis(Mostly in Pharmaceuticals, Groceries and FMCG). Memon community makes Majority among all but they dont DOMINATE the whole Business of Karachi.

These points prove nothing , you are comparing 3% region with whole Karachi, I know that police have continuously carried out raid and encounters in sohrab goth, but I think Mqm want some sort of carpet bombing against those ethnic communities which don't support them, then whether the causes would be any,their opponents must be annihilated.

Those so called raids are just Confined to outer areas where mostly Apartment Buildings are located not inside Sohrab Goth so that is why those Raids have very Little Effects because those Terrorists goes to hid Deep inside the territory as soon as Rangers enter and another thing is Sohrab Goth is like Connection of all Karachi to Super Highway so it also Facilitate Intercity Movements and due to that whenever those Terrorists are short of Arms or men they manage it quite Easily through Sohrab Goth so without Permanent Settlement of LEA there those areas wont be peaceful at all. MQM has lots of Sympathies in that area(I know that due to Lived near by) as well and wants to expand there but Terrorist Outfits doesnt Allow them to do that. The situation of Banarus and KATI Paharhi is worse then that.