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Published September 4, 2017
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The move to name some Pakistan-based terror groups in the BRICS declaration would “irritate” Islamabad and may strain its ties with China, a Chinese scholar said in a rare criticism of the government’s decision.

Hu Shisheng, director of the state-run China Institute of Contemporary International Relations, said Chinese diplomats will have a lot of explanation to do to Pakistan in the coming months. “How will we carry forward?”

He also said that naming the Haqqani network, which operates in Afghanistan and targets the NATO forces stationed there, in the document was “beyond my understanding”.

“The head of the group is also the actual head of the Afghan Taliban. It will make China’s role for Afghan political reconciliation process more difficult. Or you can say we have no role to play in future,” the expert told .

His criticism of China came after the BRICS declaration in the Chinese city Xiamen named the terrorist groups – including the Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Jaish-e-Mohammad, the Taliban, and the Haqqani Network – for causing violence in the region.

“It is beyond my understanding how China agreed to this. I don’t think it is good idea,” Hu said.

“I think some persons who prepared this declaration got mislead. Otherwise I could not understand why,” :lol: he said.

In the light of the inclusion of the JeM, China may reconsider its stand on blocking a proposed UN ban on the leader of the group, Masood Azhar, the Chinese expert said.

Hu said the declaration will augment pressure on Pakistan, especially after US President Donald Trump rebuked Islamabad for harbouring these terror groups on its soil.

“This will irritate Pakistan. I don’t think when the BRICS declaration was made, Pakistan was consulted. In the coming days Chinese diplomats have to explain to Pakistan.:P

I am not against listing LeT and JeM as terrorist groups. But there are more deadly groups than these – like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi al-Alami of Pakistan, which was behind killing of two Chinese youths in Balochistan,” he said.

China may have agreed to name these to include the East Turkistan Islamic Movement, which is active in its restive Xinjiang region. It is also said to have bases in Pakistan.

“(But) This is too costly to China… Pakistan will be very upset,” :eek: he said, adding that this could be a victory for India, which “has done a lot of work”.

However, another Chinese scholar, Wang Dehua, head of the Institute for South and Central Asian Studies at the Shanghai Municipal Centre for International Studies, said the BRICS declaration will set an example for the world community.

“To successfully counter all kinds of terrorism, the first important concern is violence caused by the Taliban, ISIS, al-Qaida and its affiliates and should reach consensus on which terrorists we should attack,” he told .

On potential listing of Azhar as a global terrorist by the UN, he said China may have had its reasons to block the move but, “I guess after India has given more facts, China may have changed its former stand.”

Wang said all BRICS members should now adopt a comprehensive approach to combat terrorism. “May the BRICS member states make more contributions to counter terrorism, world peace and stability,” he said.

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@Kaptaan : AFTER DHOKLAM @gslv mk3 @Kal Muah
 
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Did India force China to dump its all-weather friend Pakistan?
Published September 4, 2017
SOURCE: ET

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India achieved a major diplomatic victory over Pakistan—and China—when the association of BRICS nations condemned terror by naming several Pakistan-sponsored terror networks such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad, the Haqqani network and Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.

Notably, China has been trying hard to prevent any mention of terror in the joint statement. China said on Thursday that concerns over Pakistan’s counter-terrorism record were not an appropriate topic to be discussed at the BRICS summit. A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson had said the world should rather recognise Pakistan’s contribution to fighting terrorism.

Before the beginning of the summit, Chinese President Xi Jinping too appeared to pre-empt Prime Minister Narendra Modi on terrorism by calling for a “holistic” approach that includes addressing “symptoms and root causes”.

The joint statement against terror groups becomes all the more significant because China has been blocking India’s efforts to get Jaish chief Masood Azhar designated a terrorist by the UN.

In the previous BRICS Summit at Goa last October, neither the term ‘cross-border terror’ was mentioned in the declaration nor groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish named. The Goa Summit, however, expressed solidarity with India in the backdrop of the Uri attacks and called for ‘comprehensive approach’ in countering international terror. PM Modi had described Pakistan as a “mothership” of terror.

The joint statement from the ongoing BRICS Summit signifies India’s rising global clout and its hardening posture against China. It also indicates that Pakistan’s reliance on China and drifting away from the US will not be too favourable for it. India has been making relentless efforts since the Uri attack to isolate Pakistan and has achieved considerable success as the US—Pakistan’s biggest benefactor—has turned away from it.

The BRICS joint statement on terror further isolates Pakistan and would discourage China from openly supporting Pakistan on terror.
 
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The real isolation comes now.

I guess, this is what India wanted. Blame Pak and India will reduce it's presence from Doklam and allow Chinese to patrol? Well Chinese already patrolled the area since ages.
 
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Well all those heros of Let and Jaish are UN designated terrorists, meaning china has endorsed it already in UN Security Council. Only for Pakistan they are freedom fighters. It is matter of time before entire nation is declared state sponsor of terrorists and face world sanctions worse than NK.
 
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@Kaptaan anything like to write here about " higher then mountain and deeper then ocean" ?
India again comes out looser because China called you terrorist Nation after doklam where chinese failed in road construction.:cheers:
 
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China knows India is a major market and a source of income where as Pakistan is a money sink.

When money speaks, everything vanishes. The so called deeper then ocean friendship means nothing when China is about to loose access to a market that is giving them 70 Billion annually.

All it needed was slap by India for China to realize how close it came to pissing off common people of India.
 
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India again comes out looser because China called you terrorist Nation after doklam where chinese failed in road construction
How old are you exactly? After Doklam incident Pakistan's stock value will have gone up - not down. China will know that there could be another face off with India anytime. And the only hedge it has in South Asia is Pakistan. That reinforces and accentuates Pakistan's importance - not the other way that your suggesting.

Think about this. Has Chinese antipathy toward India increased post Doklam or have Chinese gone fond of India? No offence Doklam has reinforced Chinese misgivings about India. I mean this is no brainer. Therefore what effect do you think that would have on how Pakistan is looked at by Beijing?

Going to the specifics of the item has has you floating on cloud nine in orgasmic delight. Think about this. These are just good feel words for gawds sakes. It is the tangibles that make the real impact or expose the reality. Fact is China blockaded at the UN. Fact is China is pumping in over $100 billion dollars in investments into Pakistan. That is the reality.

Words. Good feel garbage. We can always get that from Saudia Arabia or others like "Muslim brotherhood blah blah". We need substance. And that Pakistan gets from China.
 
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US declared them terrorists, what was the effect of it

I doubt it will.

China has Pakistanis by the balls. Right now ,and even in the foreseeable future, there isn't a lot of countries Pakistanis can ask for money or military help.

Let's see:

Pakistanis need military supplies. Where do they have to go now since US and the west is distancing itself from Pakistan?

A - China

Pakistanis need loans and grants. Where do they go?

A - Not IMF or WB since they are all too heavily controlled by the west. China.

Pakistan is taking a lot from China and when you're so heavily dependent on someone, your options are pretty limited.

Pakistan is pretty much turning into another North Korea with all but China willing to bear its liability and even China gets tired every now and then.


Pakistan has one option when everything is closed...think about that options
make LOC a legitimate border and improve relations with India...do you really think China wants that???
 
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US declared them terrorists, what was the effect of it




Pakistan has one option when everything is closed...think about that options
make LOC a legitimate border and improve relations with India...do you really think China wants that???

Turning LoC into IB will deprive PA of its legitimacy from which it derives all its power.

No enmity with India means no legitimacy for PA to remain so powerful in Pakistan.

Do you honestly think the Generals would want that given how much they and their families rely on the gains derived from this power.
 
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No enmity
No enemity with Pakistan would deprive the Hindu ruling elite in India of the Muslim bogeyman. That would then turn the attention to 300 million Hindus untouchables who are slaves of the system and trapped in their pathetic existence. That mass of repressed humanity might then end up tearing India from inside. Not even a Kumb Mela on the Ganga might save the Indian elite from the wreched poor of India. Who might say "Mars probe? Can we instead have a toilet please"?
 
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China knows India is a major market and a source of income where as Pakistan is a money sink.

When money speaks, everything vanishes. The so called deeper then ocean friendship means nothing when China is about to loose access to a market that is giving them 70 Billion annually.

All it needed was slap by India for China to realize how close it came to pissing off common people of India.
China just want your money. 50 billion usd surplus is not a small sum.
 
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Turning LoC into IB will deprive PA of its legitimacy from which it derives all its power.

No enmity with India means no legitimacy for PA to remain so powerful in Pakistan.

Do you honestly think the Generals would want that given how much they and their families rely on the gains derived from this power.


more than generals, many countires wont want that and No 1 on that list is USA, 2. Russia
 
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more than generals, many countires wont want that and No 1 on that list is USA, 2. Russia

USA and Russia were not even in the picture when PA launched its 47 and 65 wars on India.

Honestly this is a very silly argument that Pakistanis and even some Indians present.

Nobody, I repeat, nobody other than PA has the authority to decide that it wants to change course.

Which it doesn't.
 
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