[BREXIT] The remain campaigners have points.

[Vergennes]

@waz @UKBengali @Pakistani Exile @Providence @mike2000 is back @Steve781 @hinduguy @Abingdonboy @Blue Marlin @Kaptaan @flamer84

You can tell everything you want against them,but seems like they have good and strong points.
This is getting interesting. 11 days left.
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Jobs & opportunities

Being able to trade freely across the EU helps businesses grow and create jobs in the UK, giving you better job prospects – and security.
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• Over 3 million UK jobs are linked to our trade with the EU: one in every ten jobs in this country (Source: HM Treasury). Being in the EU will create 790,000 more UK jobs by 2030 (Source: Centre for Economic and Business Research), creating more opportunities for you and your family.​
• In the EU you can find work, holiday and retire without visas, and study abroad on the Erasmus programme, offering you and your children even more ways to get on in life.​
• If we leave the EU experts predict that the economic hit would mean up to 950,000 UK jobs could be lost (Source: Confederation of British Industry), making it harder for you to earn a living.​
• The Trades Union Congress says the average wage would fall by £38 a week (Source: Trades Union Congress), putting a squeeze your family finances.​

Prices & family finances

Trade with the EU means cheaper bills for your family, giving you more money to put aside for family holidays, a deposit on a home or starting a family.
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• Being in the EU saves your family £350 a year (Source: London School of Economics), meaning more money in your pocket.​
• It means you pay less for your weekly food shop, but also fuel, energy bills and mobile roaming charges. If we left, overall, your household would be worse off by £4,300 a year (Source: The Treasury).​

The NHS

Being in Europe makes our economy stronger, meaning more money for public services including the NHS, and better schooling and healthcare for your family.
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• Leaving the EU would damage our economy and would force government spending cuts of £40 billion, meaning less money for the NHS (Source: The Institute for Fiscal Studies) and longer waiting times for operations, GP appointments and A&E treatment.​
• NHS England chief Simon Stevens says Brexit would be ‘very dangerous’ for the NHS.​
• Leave leaders including Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Nigel Farage have famously campaigned for privatisation of the NHS.​

 

[Vergennes]

Impact on UK business

Being in the EU creates economic growth and more jobs for you and your family – trade with the EU accounts for 44% of UK exports.

• In the EU Single Market, over 1 million UK businesses trade without export or import charges, or paperwork, to 500 million customers in the EU (Sources: HMRC and Treasury).​
• If we left, businesses would be hit by new charges to trade goods or services in the EU, leading to job cuts, higher prices, lower wages and fewer opportunities for you and your family.​
• Companies say they would move their business, and jobs, to other EU countries, meaning fewer jobs on the UK market.​

Our Economy

Overall, we get more out of the EU than we pay in.

• Britain pays £5.7 billion a year to be a member of the EU Single Market, the world’s largest free trade zone (Source: The Institute for Fiscal Studies) but the benefit of being in the EU is worth £91 billion to our economy (Source: Confederation of British Industry).​
• The UK economy benefits from investment worth £66 million from EU countries – every day (Source: Office of National Statistics).​
• The Governor of the Bank of England says Brexit would lead to an economic shock – or recession – which would mean dramatic public spending cuts, job losses and years of financial insecurity for your family.​
• 9 out of 10 economic experts say the value of the pound would fall, meaning the cost of your shopping and mortgage rates would rise, and the value of your home and pension would fall.​

The risks of leaving

The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.

• There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.​
• You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.​
• Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.​
• After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.​
• We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.​

http://www.strongerin.co.uk/

 

[livingdead]

problem is most of these are predictions that nobody can be sure about and brexiters definitely dont trust this predictions.
The main issues are immigration and democracy from brexit side, financial security and brotherhood from remain side.

 

[UKBengali]

problem is most of these are predictions that nobody can be sure about and brexiters definitely dont trust this predictions.
The main issues are immigration and democracy from brexit side, financial security and brotherhood from remain side.

Financial security is not even guaranteed as the UK may actually do better outside EU than within it as it will be free to trade with the rest of the world without being hamstrung by EU regulations.

Brotherhood is the only real card that remain can play and most Brits do not feel European.

 

[waz]

Impact on UK business

Being in the EU creates economic growth and more jobs for you and your family – trade with the EU accounts for 44% of UK exports.

• In the EU Single Market, over 1 million UK businesses trade without export or import charges, or paperwork, to 500 million customers in the EU (Sources: HMRC and Treasury).​
• If we left, businesses would be hit by new charges to trade goods or services in the EU, leading to job cuts, higher prices, lower wages and fewer opportunities for you and your family.​
• Companies say they would move their business, and jobs, to other EU countries, meaning fewer jobs on the UK market.​

Our Economy

Overall, we get more out of the EU than we pay in.

• Britain pays £5.7 billion a year to be a member of the EU Single Market, the world’s largest free trade zone (Source: The Institute for Fiscal Studies) but the benefit of being in the EU is worth £91 billion to our economy (Source: Confederation of British Industry).​
• The UK economy benefits from investment worth £66 million from EU countries – every day (Source: Office of National Statistics).​
• The Governor of the Bank of England says Brexit would lead to an economic shock – or recession – which would mean dramatic public spending cuts, job losses and years of financial insecurity for your family.​
• 9 out of 10 economic experts say the value of the pound would fall, meaning the cost of your shopping and mortgage rates would rise, and the value of your home and pension would fall.​

The risks of leaving

The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.

• There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.​
• You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.​
• Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.​
• After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.​
• We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.​

http://www.strongerin.co.uk/

I've answered the vast majority of these points in the past. Most are wild estimates, random surveys, and don't hold much water.

Why we should leave.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...inal/1463496002/Why_Vote_Leave.pdf?1463496002

The three biggest issues are democracy/sovereignty, Immigration and the Economy.
Remain has no answer to two of these, democracy and immigration.
They only have the economy, which can be argued upon.

 

[Armstrong]

I've answered the vast majority of these points in the past. Most are wild estimates, random surveys, and don't hold much water.

Why we should leave.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...inal/1463496002/Why_Vote_Leave.pdf?1463496002

The three biggest issues are democracy/sovereignty, Immigration and the Economy.
Remain has no answer to two of these, democracy and immigration.
They only have the economy, which can be argued upon.

Lets face it Waz Bhai you don't want all them French, German and Spaniards coming into the UK to woo all the pretty British women and give you competition !

 

[somebozo]

Financial security is not even guaranteed as the UK may actually do better outside EU than within it as it will be free to trade with the rest of the world without being hamstrung by EU regulations.

Brotherhood is the only real card that remain can play and most Brits do not feel European.

Germany is already aiming to devalue EURO further and boost export..the BREXIT on the pretext of making UK more competitive to export may fall flat on any clever moves by Germany...this is WW2 all again...this time on the economic front...Germany has already conquered france..with he bail out..and much of eastern europe..it has already blocked Russia..with Sanctions...Ukraine has become divided between EU (Germany) and Russia ....

 

[waz]

Lets face it Waz Bhai you don't want all them French, German and Spaniards coming into the UK to woo all the pretty British women and give you competition !

Ha! They're no competition. Its mainly the Spanish girls coming over here haha.

 

[flamer84]

Ha! They're no competition. Its mainly the Spanish girls coming over here haha.

Very much to my surprise today,half of the passengers in my flight back home were Brits.

 

[livingdead]

Very much to my surprise today,half of the passengers in my flight back home were Brits.

why is it surprising.. 3 low cost carriers and temperature in bucharest is in 20s... which one did you fly?

 

[flamer84]

why is it surprising.. 3 low cost carriers and temperature in bucharest is in 20s... which one did you fly?

RyanAir from 06.25....given that i go back home twice a month (4 trips) and my wife comes to visit once a month (2 trips),low cost is the only way for me.

Still,I never saw so many Brits in a Romania bound flight,ussually it's mostly Romanians.

 

[livingdead]

RyanAir from 06.25....given that i go back home twice a month (4 trips) and my wife comes to visit once a month (2 trips),low cost is the only way for me.
Still,I never saw so many Brits in a Romania bound flight,ussually it's mostly Romanians.

who am I to judge you.. its your money.. besides I dont see the point of flying full service if the duration is under 5 hours... is not wizz air cheaper?

may be romania is getting popular due to fear in magreb countries.

 

[flamer84]

who am I to judge you.. its your money.. besides I dont see the point of flying full service if the duration is under 5 hours... is not wizz air cheaper?

may be romania is getting popular due to fear in magreb countries.

Nope(altough not by much),and I hate Lutton also,so much that I prefere the 3h30 hours by coach from Bucharest,altough Wizz can drop me off to an airport 1 hour from home.

The flight is around 2h45-3.10 hours

 

[livingdead]

Nope(altough not by much),and I hate Lutton also,so much that I prefere the 3h30 hours by coach from Bucharest,altough Wizz can drop me off to an airport 1 hour from home.

The flight is around 2h45-3.10 hours

thats insane.. whats wrong with luton?... I have been to that airport only once or twice I think.. did not see anything odd.

 

[flamer84]

thats insane.. whats wrong with luton?... I have been to that airport only once or twice I think.. did not see anything odd.

The first time I arrived in the UK was on a Wizz flight via Lutton.The place creeped me out,people working there looked like zombies,i saw an employee actually taking a thrown ecler from the garbage and eating it,the toilettes had piss all over.....It freaked me out and I never want to see that place again.