Breaking: Bakhmut has been liberated to be called Artemovsk

[jhungary]

It will be be interesting to see how you will ever admit you were wrong about amplifying the European input on this war if and when the Americans decide to wind down this war. I repeat: Europeans are $ussies and sissies! You are nothing without us Americans when it comes to geopolitics!

Please do try to break down what I had already said about European involvement in this war. namely this\

1. UK is the first country to send in Anti-Tank missile, with the first batch of NLAW sent in even before the war begin on jan 19 and lead the effort for 5000 NLAW on Feb 24, followed by Biden announcement of Javelin on Feb 25.
2. France is the first one to send in Self Propelled Artillery Caesar on April 22, 2022, followed by UK AS-90 on April 24, and Belgium sending M-109 at the same date, and Poland on Krab sometime in November and finally US to send M109A6 in Jan 2023
3. M777 was jointly sent by the UK, Canada, Australia and US on April 22
4. French is the first to offer Ukraine Light Tank/IFV with AMX-30 in Jan 2023, then Germany and Sweden offered Maruda and CV-90, then US offered Bradley.
5. UK is the first to offer tank to Ukraine with 14 Challenger 2 sent on Jan 14, followed by Germany and US jointly agreed to send Abrams and Leo 2
6. UK is the fonly one to send Western Helicopter with 3 Westland Seaking sent to Ukraine on Nov 2022.
7. Germany is the first to send IRIS-T SAM to Ukraine in Oct 2022, followed by Norway/US NASAM in Nov 2022, followed by Patriot from US and Germany in 2023.
8. UK is the only country to send cruise missile with storm shadow.

So what make you think Europe WILL NOT continue to support Ukraine even if US pull out?

I mean, all you are saying is projecting something that is based on nothing and then come back at me about how Pussy and Sissy European are, and by the way, I am an American, and probably more American than you because I was born in the US and I served the US military. So don't give me this "YOU" European bullshit.

There are already concerns in Ukraine about just the potential of the Republicans restricting funding for the war's funding. Let's not even go to 2024 elections because a Trump or Desantis as President will almost certainly and very quickly wrap up this war. But then what do YOU know?? Resident of a peripheral country like Australia! My advice: Listen to the Beltway insiders like Ray McGovern. Everything about this war is rooted in the Beltway politics and $$$$$!!

First of all, if you do follow American politics, there are NO WAY Trump are going to be President in 2024, if trump is on the card, then people are going to vote WHOEVER that is going to be in the Dem ticket. I mean, 2018, he lost the house, 2020, he losot the presidency, and 2022, he lost the Senate, I mean, I am not very good at American History, but I am pretty sure no one powerbroker managed to lost all 3 in 3 successive election.

DeSantis is not going to make it nationally when he signed that 13-week abortion bill in the middle of the night. Most republican move on from the abortion issue after Roe v Wade because of its unpopularity which seen some pretty red states like my home state of Kansas is deep red, yet they veto the bill that expel Abortion right in Kansas Constitution. Kentucky voter rejected a amendment to the Kentucky Constitution to take out the abortion. And Montana have vetoed an act that is similar to the "Born-Alive" act which mean they do not accept fetus is a person. All 3 state is deep red, and all 3 states comes out against abortion, if DeSantis is running, it will most likely put these states into swing state, if not outright flipping them for the dem. Without these 3 states, there are Absolutely NOT A SINGLE WAY for the republicans to win 2024.

On top of that, the bill to support Ukraine have mostly bipartisan support, it's support from the either side beside the extreme left and extreme right. So this bill like this is going to pass in 2024 disregarding who is sitting in the chair. There aren't much opposition from both house, I don't know what you think about Trump or far right movement, they aren't that big in both house actually, the reason it was blown out of proportion is that Republican are holding on to the house with the slimest of the slim margin there are, with 4 seats, these far right nutjob would count, if GOP took the house in 2024 with nominal margin, then you probably will never hear from these far right nutjob like MTG or Boebert or Gosar again.

It's plain to see China has global ambitions and want to topple US for pole position if not weaken US unipolar power status.

But then you can't do it if China go against both US and EU. That is the issue here.

It's pointless to weaken US status unless you also isolate EU from US, but as I said, it would have been bad for Chinese-EU relationship if China take Russia side.

 

[K_Bin_W]

Should we believe these estimates?

If it's a western source, with your eyes closed...

 

[MH.Yang]

You realize Bakhmut was a fixing operation of Russian forces right? The goal was to destroy as many Russian forces as possible. Russian offensive capacity has been effectively destroyed.

Ukraine has held back 20+ brigades and Western armor. None of that was sent to Bakhmut

I only know these things:

Half a year into the Ukrainian War, the Chinese began to question Russia's military capabilities.

When the Ukrainian War lasted for a year, the Chinese began to question the United States' ability to impose economic sanctions.

If the Ukrainian war lasts for more than three years, the Chinese will begin to question NATO's military capabilities.

 

[Meengla]

I mean, all you are saying is projecting something that is based on nothing and then come back at me about how Pussy and Sissy European are, and by the way, I am an American, and probably more American than you because I was born in the US and I served the US military. So don't give me this "YOU" European bullshit.

Ok, Mr. American/Chinese/Taiwanese/Aussie whatever you are: Here for one more time: If and when America decides to stop this war, the war will end. Your number counting of the Europeans war hardware means nothing. Europe is doing America's bidding. When the bidding stops, Europe stops.

Problem is that you'd be too proud to admit that you were wrong about the European 'contribution'. Europe may have sent a gazillion weapons but they were / are being sent because Americans asked them to. Otherwise, with the possible exception of the Brits--who, like always, are sitting in a comfortable distance from yet another 'continental war', there was no appetite for this war by the French and the Germans. (Okay, maybe the Poles have some ulterior motives about western Ukraine--maybe).


I don't think I have ever wavered in saying in this forum that this war is a war instigated by the Neo Cons in Washington and the war will end when America decides to end it. PERIOD!!

 

[LeGenD]

that is correct and I repeat

Ukraine destroyed Mariupol

dont provoke dont get destroyed

Ukraine is a sovereign country, right?

Russia invaded Ukraine because it wanted to restore former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych to power in the country.

Who is Viktor Yanukovych? The ousted Ukrainian president that Putin hopes to put back in power

Ukrainian media have reported that Russia has flown Yanukovych to Belarus and plans to install him as Ukraine's leader if its troops take Kyiv

fortune.com

Ukraine's ex-president Viktor Yanukovych found guilty of treason

Exiled former leader sentenced to 13 years’ jail over 2014 protests and Russian invasion

www.theguardian.com

 

[jhungary]

Ok, Mr. American/Chinese/Taiwanese/Aussie whatever you are: Here for one more time: If and when America decides to stop this war, the war will end. Your number counting of the Europeans war hardware means nothing. Europe is doing America's bidding. When the bidding stops, Europe stops.

Problem is that you'd be too proud to admit that you were wrong about the European 'contribution'. Europe may have sent a gazillion weapons but they were / are being sent because Americans asked them to. Otherwise, with the possible exception of the Brits--who, like always, are sitting in a comfortable distance from yet another 'continental war', there was no appetite for this war by the French and the Germans. (Okay, maybe the Poles have some ulterior motives about western Ukraine--maybe).


I don't think I have ever wavered in saying in this forum that this war is a war instigated by the Neo Cons in Washington and the war will end when America decides to end it. PERIOD!!

So yes, my counting of factual evidence means nothing. And the accounting of historical event also means nothing to you, and your word means everything....And it become absolute when you add CAPITALISED "PERIOD" at the end.....

And sure, when the Brits send in their tanks before US even remotely entertaining the idea is actually US asking them to send them so they don't want to, but then I can't explain why US decided to send M1 their way as well after everything is done and dusted.

I started to be able to connect the dot as to why you think Russia is ahead in this war.......When you don't require a certain degree of critical thinking and reasoning and all about how you feel about the issue. Yes, Russia is obviously ahead....

And don't think i forgot to mention you have completely side step the entire political landscape issue when i start commenting in American Politics.......In fact, I am more interested in political system than war and I do have a PolySci degree from CU Boulder so unlike you, I know what am I talking about....

 

[gambit]

I only know these things:

Half a year into the Ukrainian War, the Chinese began to question Russia's military capabilities.

When the Ukrainian War lasted for a year, the Chinese began to question the United States' ability to impose economic sanctions.

If the Ukrainian war lasts for more than three years, the Chinese will begin to question NATO's military capabilities.

Actually, no. You should ask Russia why it took so long especially since Russia started it. But then, the question would be largely rhetorical because by now, we understand why. Poutine overestimated the Russian military, underestimated the Ukrainians, underestimated EU/NATO resolve, underestimated US response, and overestimated sympathy for Russia. These blunders are not signs of a learned strategist. Right now, your PLA leadership is NERVOUSLY watching the Russian military performance.

 

[Viet]

Russia already rebuilt Mariupol after Ukraine destroyed it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660125794365046785

Ghost towns
Have the apartment electricity, toilet, fridge or even people?
Built for propaganda purposes

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660073523858264065

Congrats
Next US, EU sanctions package coming
Lets see how long the Russians can go hungry to bed for more war.

 

[SaadH]

Says the Greek who goes behind my back reporting me to mods LOL

How does it feel to be on the receiving end in Ukraine? What you believe is entirely irrelivant. Russia did what it did and they are fully winning. More territory for Russia. As Zelensky said, Makhbut now only lives in our dreams.



LOL We deserve to immigrate to the US. Especially since your country interferes in our countries. That is the least compensation the US can provide?



Exactly LOL

Not only do we deserve to immigrate to the West but we should also be paid reparations for 300 years of rape and pillage of our lands by westerners.

Finally Ukraine's pro-zionist stance hasn't really endeared it to the Muslim world. We really don't care for Russia either but as long as the western neocolonial powers are on the receiving end, we are not losing any sleep over it.

 

[LeGenD]

A rising Russia, is in Pakistan's interests.

There needs to be alternatives to USA.

There is no such thing as an alternative to American markets for many Pakistani entrepreneurs. And 80 American companies provide job opportunities in Pakistan. This is the situation when US is doing bear minimum for Pakistan in the present.

Russian economy is much smaller and less accessible in comparison.

Pakistan can benefit from Russian energy supply on the other hand. This is fine.

As for Ukraine, I respect this country for being among the few who are willing to provide military equipment to Pakistan Army and respecting Pakistan's stance on the matter of Jammu & Kashmir. But this goodwill will not last due to Pakistan's neutrality. Pakistan does not have to pick sides in the Ukraine - Russia War in official capacity but there is not even a word on humanitarian crisis in Ukraine and peaceful resolution of the war. This country can only talk about Palestine and Kashmir when it comes to international issues.

Ukraine is reaching out to India and will become indifferent to Kashmir just like Russia. Wait and see.

 

[Han Patriot]

So you meant to die defending your Mother land is wrong lol? So ask yourself this friend why is defence of Taiwan important to you, mr Han ? Regarding Bakhmut, part of the issue is they (Russians) started talking about Bakhmut as if it was soon to fall half a year ago, intending to go right past it to Kramstorsk and Sloviansk. It’s been an ongoing humiliation for them that a fortified town has held out this long, especially when they still state the entire Donbass to be their objective.

I don't want to go into details regarding the REPUBLIC OF CHINA aka TAIWAN. No point derailing. My point is if it was useless you should let them move into some trap or something not tie down your troops for months defending it right?

Actually, no. You should ask Russia why it took so long especially since Russia started it. But then, the question would be largely rhetorical because by now, we understand why. Poutine overestimated the Russian military, underestimated the Ukrainians, underestimated EU/NATO resolve, underestimated US response, and overestimated sympathy for Russia. These blunders are not signs of a learned strategist. Right now, your PLA leadership is NERVOUSLY watching the Russian military performance.

Still not seeing a singlr NATO boot on the ground. Practically fighting till the last Ukrainian. Bravo! Friggin cowards... Lolol

 

[Dalit]

congratulations indeed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660296610088189954

Bro, you have a list of blunders too.

 

[Zibago]

People are talking as if there's still a city called Bakhmut when it's just a bunch of ruins like Marinka.

The strategic importance of even these ruins was important to both parties as proven by the effort bothsides put un trying to hold it

Ghost towns
Have the apartment electricity, toilet, fridge or even people?
Built for propaganda purposes


Congrats
Next US, EU sanctions package coming
Lets see how long the Russians can go hungry to bed for more war.

Isnt Russia food independent?

 

[khansaheeb]

Well, most people here ask why China not helping Russia.

The question is actually what for? I mean would China gain anything from this war from risking their neck on Russia. There isn't any free lunch in the world. There have to be benefit for them to jump in. This is Russian territorial ambition, not China, unless Russia want to make it the territorial ambition of China. This is not going to happen, because Chinese have their own territorial ambition.

At the moment Russia doesn't need Chinese help but Ukraine does need NATO help. It's raining Phosphorous in Ukraine, while we moan about rain in the UK. Let's hope after this barbaric Russian attack the Ukrainians empathise with the Palestinians who have suffered the same atrocities as the Ukrainians:-

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7213226945520160005

 

[aziqbal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660481592274616320