Brainwashing and Jehad!

[FaujHistorian]

And there you were thanking all those threads I started on PDF sigh

you my bro are in 10%

 

[Malghani]

Well i agree to few points in your article but before i accept them i must say that you really failed to convey your point of concern in this article. Where as the teachings and mind washing of Religious Extremism is concerned, you are absolutely right. But i can't understand why did you use the maps. And what did you want to prove by that. Seriously confused.

 

[SrNair]

I have read about 2 of the stated things (Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab - unless it is some other Wahab and Deoband) but believe me I am far from getting anything where you are heading...Either explain it...and if you cant I can easily assume you didnt get it either...Coz one who knows what he is talking about can easily make the other understand his POV otherwise that POV is not worthy ...


Firstly I am not in the mood,

2ndly your fellow countrymate has thrown a blind allegation without backing it and only thing he can come up with is read this and that...Well, if I read it from some perspective I will understand from that view not his view...hence I asked for his proof which all he came up with was read ABOUT so and so...Do you expect me to read every single book/ article written? Has he that he is proclaiming his part as truth?

So you dont have any interest in the subject for now.Then there is no reason for a debate about it

 

[Dubious]

Okay then please enlighten us with his theology on Islam. I hope you are aware of it.

You have made a point about how what you know is truth...I seriously am in no mood to argue on that hence why I had said earlier:

If thats what they teach you in India...suit yourself!

I am not sure why you are in such a desperate mood to engage anyone...

 

[Dubious]

So you dont have any interest in the subject for now.Then there is no reason for a debate about it

hence I already stated

If thats what they teach you in India...suit yourself!

But no someone wants to shove "his version of truth" without evidence down others' throats! THAT is disgusting if you ask me!

 

[Screambowl]

So you dont have any interest in the subject for now.Then there is no reason for a debate about it

this is actually related to how to stop brainwashing of youth in tribal areas of Pakistan and in our own India. If they are delivered with proper and real knowledge then youth will not get into superficial Jannat craze

You have made a point about how what you know is truth...I seriously am in no mood to argue on that hence why I had said earlier:

Typical way to avoid a discussion. Thank you anyways

 

[HRK]

How an extremist nature of using Islam can be self destructive. Ibn Tehmmiya and Wahab , who used it, to counter Mongols to prevent Arab culture, Not Islam, but gradually declined. TTP, HUJI, JEM, all are part of this, not for Islam but for political gains.

@HRK

Unless until Pakistan does not clarify to it's citizens, why Pakistan came to existence, a product of british conspiracy in Aligarh Muslim university, founded by Sir Syed Ahmed to counter Hindu Banaras university, people will be confused and they will follow path of terrorism and hate in the name of Religion.

Dear I haven't read any part of your post except the quoted paras (I really don't know why I read it or what catch me eye in these paragraphs) at least at current moments I am not interested any Political, Historical, Religious Debate hope would understand.

We can discuses any such issue after some time, I know you would have a lot of things to present and to support your POV, I also believe others people would also present their prospects in for & against of this myth/idea/believe or whatever you say it, but consider me out of it I just can't participate or to say in more appropriate manner I am not in routine state emotionally ...... hope you would understand.

 

[Screambowl]

Dear I haven't read any part of your post except the quoted paras (I really don't know why I read it or what catch me eye in these paragraphs) at least at current moments I am not interested any Political, Historical, Religious Debate hope would understand.

We can discuses any such issue after some time, I know you would have a lot of things to present and to support your POV, I also believe others people would also present their prospects in for & against of this myth/idea/believe or whatever you say it, but consider me out of it I just can't participate or to say in more appropriate manner I am not in routine state emotionally ...... hope you would understand.

I agree with you that this is not the time.. but this is also the time, to tell people about the Mullahs. By Killing the militants, The ideology is not going to go away, this is what I have been trying to put up through this thread. Whatever has been fed to citizens about Islam etc.. needs to be revised.

Wahabis hijacking deoband ideology, is it justified?

 

[HRK]

is it justified?

Is it justified to use this time to exhibit your intellectual prejudices opinion .....

I AM TELLING YOU IN LOUD & CLEAR WORDS DON'T QUOTE OR TAG ME IN ANY THREAD RELATED TO POLITICAL, HISTORICAL OR RELIGIOUS MYTHS

 

[Screambowl]

Is it justified to use this time to exhibit your intellectual prejudices opinion .....

I AM TELLING YOU IN LOUD & CLEAR WORDS DON'T QUOTE OR TAG ME IN ANY THREAD RELATED TO POLITICAL, HISTORICAL OR RELIGIOUS MYTHS

Prove it it's a myth!

 

[Devil Soul]

How did i end up here?????

 

[HariPrasad]

I think there is a lack of education among Pakistanis about the events, which brought religious confrontation in the subcontinent. Use of Jehad for political gains and brainwashing of young mind through religion to provoke them and use their sentiments for terror activities.

I would like to share some events!

during 18th century, there was one scholar named Walli Ullah Shah a Hardcore jehadi and follower of Ibn Tehmmiya , who was told by britishers that Marathas and Jats are rising, which is a severe threat to Muslims and Islamic theology. So Walli Ullah Shah wrote a covert letter to Ahmad Shah , that , come and attack India. In 1759-61 was the crucial year of Indian history. The third battle of panipat, which weakened the Maratahas and the Mughals along with Durrani. This gave clear way to Britishers to penetrate into India.

The point I am making that, the term jehad and Walli Ullah Shah's extremism, were used by britishers in their strategic response.

Deobandis highly religious, but pro Indians, against the theology of Ibn Tehmiya, hijacked by deoband wanabes in Karachi and Peshawar, creating a new ideology of Deoband Madrassa following Wahabism. The recent attackers in Pakistan, had their leader of deoband Ideology.


The map of British empire in India before 1759

After the Maratha -Durrani confrontation 1797

The territorial changes in british empire are seen.

How an extremist nature of using Islam can be self destructive. Ibn Tehmmiya and Wahab , who used it, to counter Mongols to prevent Arab culture, Not Islam, but gradually declined. TTP, HUJI, JEM, all are part of this, not for Islam but for political gains.
@Oscar @FaujHistorian @Joe Shearer @Akheilos @HRK @Bratva @Zarvan @Devil Soul @ares @HariPrasad @Abingdonboy

Unless until Pakistan does not clarify to it's citizens, why Pakistan came to existence, a product of british conspiracy in Aligarh Muslim university, founded by Sir Syed Ahmed to counter Hindu Banaras university, people will be confused and they will follow path of terrorism and hate in the name of Religion.

Pakistan needs to understand that Brainwashing the youth by these Madrassas need to be taken care of.

For proofs, evidences, etc etc all that kindly go throug, Ibn tehmiya, al Wahab, Shah Walliullah, Third Battle of Panipat and Deoband madrassa(Darul Uloom Deoband).

People are hypocrite and not willing to discuss real reason (Which is only one) behind this sort of incidents. They try to discover false reasons such as lack of education and poverty behind this kind of incidents.

 

[Screambowl]

People are hypocrite and not willing to discuss real reason (Which is only one) behind this sort of incidents. They try to discover false reasons such as lack of education and poverty behind this kind of incidents.

They will never discuss, because term Islam is involved, how can they call something wrong which they have been following blindly, without knowing what exactly it is and what has been taught to them.

How did i end up here?????

this is something , every Pakistani should know. The ROOT CAUSE of religion fanaticism

 

[Sine Nomine]

@Screambowl what is your opinion on Marathas alliance with British against Tipu Sultan..

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Completely agreed with the thread.
I add, We should keep religion OUT from school books and keep our children away from religion Emotional blackmailing.