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Beijing to Judge Every Resident Based on Behavior by End of 2020

This is beyond that, its about absolute control over the population.

We have/had similar systems in Turkey too. It just isn't/wasn't as funneled as in the case of China. Remember how the Turkish state secretly gave codes to Greek, Armenian and Jewish Turks in order to identify them whenever it was necessary? They were under state supervision, always under obersevation. We did this decades ago and China is doing the same now. We made it because we didnt trust minorities back then and the Chinese state today doesn't trust its own citizens, sees them as a potential enemy.

Personally, I'm against this system. I want my privacy but I can understand the reasons behind this system.
 
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Another day, another fake article by US Junta controlled media Bloomberg. Congratulations - it seems like the IQ level of ordinary Yanks has fallen to the levels of white Lab Rats because the article is so dumb-*** that only someone with the intellectual-level of a Rat would read and believe is such rubbish.

I propose renaming 'Bloomberg' to 'Rubbishberg'.
In that case explain why more than one news site / journal is reporting the same thing - if you an read, that is:
https://www.sciencealert.com/china-...mirror-mass-surveillance-digital-dictatorship

China's Chilling 'Social Credit System' Is Straight Out of Dystopian Sci-Fi, And It's Already Switched On

PETER DOCKRILL
20 SEP 2018
It's been in the pipeline for years: a sprawling, technological mass surveillance network the likes of which the world has never seen. And it's already been switched on.

China's "Social Credit System" – which is expected to be fully operational by 2020 – doesn't just monitor the nation's almost 1.4 billion citizens. It's also designed to control and coerce them, in a gigantic social engineering experiment that some have called the "gamification of trust".


That's because the massive project, which has been slowly coming together for over a decade, is about assigning an individual trust score to each and every citizen, and to businesses too.

According to China's Communist Party, the system will "allow the trustworthy to roam freely under heaven while making it hard for the discredited to take a single step".

To pull this off, the unprecedented scheme will harness the immense reach of China's technological infrastructure: some 200 million CCTV cameras, according to a report by Australia's Foreign Correspondent.

The idea is these ever-watchful eyes will be hooked up to facial recognition systems, and cross-checked with financial, medical records, and legal records – with the whole apparatus regulated and interpreted by advanced, big-data-crunching AI networks.

The sweeping dystopia of it all is uncannily reminiscent of the TV show Black Mirror – in particular the eerily prescient episode "Nosedive" – but while several outlets have pointed the similarities out, China's ultimate goal goes even further.

"This is potentially a totally new way for the government to manage the economy and society," economist Martin Chorzempa from the Peterson Institute for International Economics told The New York Times in July.


"The goal is algorithmic governance."

For such a complex plan, the crux of social credit is simple. In localised pilot programs that are already operational throughout Chinese cities, citizens are assigned a numerical score.

For positive personal and social acts – such as paying bills on time, engaging in charity, and properly sorting your recycling – citizens get their score bumped up, which gives them access to perks, like better credit facilities, cheaper public transport, and even shorter wait times for hospital services.

But if you break the rules, beware. People who are late with payments, or caught jaywalking or smoking in non-smoking areas, will be punished.

In what's being described as a "digital dictatorship", their score takes a hit for each infraction, meaning they incur things like financial penalties and even travel restrictions.

That's what happened to investigative journalist Liu Hu, who says the social credit system destroyed his career after he was blacklisted for making accusations of government corruption.

Branded "dishonest", he had access to rail travel suspended, and his social media accounts – comprising some 2 million followers – were reportedly shut down, effectively making his job impossible.


As Hu told Foreign Correspondent, he doesn't believe most Chinese are aware of how these kinds of punishments could affect them.

"You can see from the Chinese people's mental state," he says.

"Their eyes are blinded and their ears are blocked. They know little about the world and live in an illusion."

But the social credit system reaches even further than this.

Individuals aren't the only ones subject to this gamification. So too are companies inside China, but also businesses outside it – with international airlines already feeling the coercive aspects of the controversial system, which some fear could "interfere directly in the sovereignty of other nations".
 
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It is not Beijing !
Exactly say is like this:
Alibaba to Judge Every Resident Based on Behavior by End of 2020
 
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Depends on what is considered "personal accountability". If I am breaking the law, sure I am responsible. But China is a communist country that curtails freedom of even the internet. So that would mean, the laws of "personal responsibility can be continuously re-defined. Just like the million or so muslims held for "re-education". I am sure they have "bad credit" for praying, growing a beard or observing Ramzan. See what I mean?
Yes, America has freedom and champion of human right. My foot. You american are just hypocrite and king of spreading fake news to destabilize others. You are not fit to criticise China system.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/trump-saudi-arabia/index.html

Trump signals US won't punish Saudi crown prince over Khashoggi killing

In that case explain why more than one news site / journal is reporting the same thing - if you an read, that is:
https://www.sciencealert.com/china-...mirror-mass-surveillance-digital-dictatorship

China's Chilling 'Social Credit System' Is Straight Out of Dystopian Sci-Fi, And It's Already Switched On

PETER DOCKRILL
20 SEP 2018
It's been in the pipeline for years: a sprawling, technological mass surveillance network the likes of which the world has never seen. And it's already been switched on.

China's "Social Credit System" – which is expected to be fully operational by 2020 – doesn't just monitor the nation's almost 1.4 billion citizens. It's also designed to control and coerce them, in a gigantic social engineering experiment that some have called the "gamification of trust".


That's because the massive project, which has been slowly coming together for over a decade, is about assigning an individual trust score to each and every citizen, and to businesses too.

According to China's Communist Party, the system will "allow the trustworthy to roam freely under heaven while making it hard for the discredited to take a single step".

To pull this off, the unprecedented scheme will harness the immense reach of China's technological infrastructure: some 200 million CCTV cameras, according to a report by Australia's Foreign Correspondent.

The idea is these ever-watchful eyes will be hooked up to facial recognition systems, and cross-checked with financial, medical records, and legal records – with the whole apparatus regulated and interpreted by advanced, big-data-crunching AI networks.

The sweeping dystopia of it all is uncannily reminiscent of the TV show Black Mirror – in particular the eerily prescient episode "Nosedive" – but while several outlets have pointed the similarities out, China's ultimate goal goes even further.

"This is potentially a totally new way for the government to manage the economy and society," economist Martin Chorzempa from the Peterson Institute for International Economics told The New York Times in July.


"The goal is algorithmic governance."

For such a complex plan, the crux of social credit is simple. In localised pilot programs that are already operational throughout Chinese cities, citizens are assigned a numerical score.

For positive personal and social acts – such as paying bills on time, engaging in charity, and properly sorting your recycling – citizens get their score bumped up, which gives them access to perks, like better credit facilities, cheaper public transport, and even shorter wait times for hospital services.

But if you break the rules, beware. People who are late with payments, or caught jaywalking or smoking in non-smoking areas, will be punished.

In what's being described as a "digital dictatorship", their score takes a hit for each infraction, meaning they incur things like financial penalties and even travel restrictions.

That's what happened to investigative journalist Liu Hu, who says the social credit system destroyed his career after he was blacklisted for making accusations of government corruption.

Branded "dishonest", he had access to rail travel suspended, and his social media accounts – comprising some 2 million followers – were reportedly shut down, effectively making his job impossible.


As Hu told Foreign Correspondent, he doesn't believe most Chinese are aware of how these kinds of punishments could affect them.

"You can see from the Chinese people's mental state," he says.

"Their eyes are blinded and their ears are blocked. They know little about the world and live in an illusion."

But the social credit system reaches even further than this.

Individuals aren't the only ones subject to this gamification. So too are companies inside China, but also businesses outside it – with international airlines already feeling the coercive aspects of the controversial system, which some fear could "interfere directly in the sovereignty of other nations".

Care to explain your fake news? Or maybe you need to apologize?

When did it become "Beijing" ?

Alibaba to Judge Every Resident Based on Behavior by End of 2020
 
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When did it become "Beijing" ?

Alibaba to Judge Every Resident Based on Behavior by End of 2020[/QUOTE]
Becos Jack Ma is from China and Beijing is also in China.
 
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When did it become "Beijing" ?

Alibaba to Judge Every Resident Based on Behavior by End of 2020
Becos Jack Ma is from China and Beijing is also in China.

American is becoming more and more stupid. They are easily duped. No wonder China is progressing faster than them and soon able to surpass them. I can bet most of America progress is made by new immigrants while local born true heartlander American are dragging down America becos of their lower IQ. :lol:
 
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We have/had similar systems in Turkey too. It just isn't/wasn't as funneled as in the case of China. Remember how the Turkish state secretly gave codes to Greek, Armenian and Jewish Turks in order to identify them whenever it was necessary? They were under state supervision, always under obersevation. We did this decades ago and China is doing the same now. We made it because we didnt trust minorities back then and the Chinese state today doesn't trust its own citizens, sees them as a potential enemy.

Personally, I'm against this system. I want my privacy but I can understand the reasons behind this system.
No reason justifies such a system.
 
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Penalisation and Rewarding is a basic system anywhere, you get punished for not following norms and laws, and you get rewarded for following in certain cases. The real question is what is exactly 'individual behavior' in this case scenario defined as, which also has been conveniently left unanswered in the article.


In Hitler's Germany the norm was to persecute minorities. So, the question is, what if the norm is inhuman, unjust and barbaric?


No reason justifies such a system.

Yes because you can be punished for disagreeing with those having the state powers.
 
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We just follow the majority of people's wish, so foreingers can shut up as long as the Chinese think it's ok, What does it have anything to do with you guys anyway?

China’s social credit systems are highly popular – for now
17/09/18
MERICS Guest Author Genia Kostka

Educated and wealthy urban Chinese have an overwhelmingly positive view of commercial and government-run systems that rate the “trustworthiness” of citizens, businesses and social organizations. Rather than perceiving them as instruments of surveillance, they see them as a way to protect consumers from food scandals or financial fraud – and to access benefits connected to a high social credit score.

China’s plan to introduce a nation-wide Social Credit System (SCS) by 2020 has been widely debated. Media headlines suggest that the dystopian future portrayed in an episode of Netflix series Black Mirror, Nosedive, is becoming a reality in China as commercial companies and local governments introduce rating systems that rank Chinese citizens, businesses and social organizations. Currently, there are more than 40 local government-run SCS pilot programs and numerous commercial pilots set up by technology firms such as Ant Financial (Alibaba) and Tencent. What the different fragmented initiatives have in common is their aim to steer citizens and organizations towards “trustworthy” or “honest” behavior.

Previous research focused mainly on the implementation and local experiments and analyzed the systems as a big data-enabled approach to market regulation and as part of the CCP’s broader strategy of social management and social control. China Law Translate(Jeremy Daum) and China Copyright and Media (Rogier Creemers) have provided insightful analyses on the legal framework of the system. Yet, so far there has been little research into the public acceptance of these social credit rating systems. The small but growing number of studies investigating citizens’ attitudes towards social credit systems include qualitative interviews on Sesame Credit users’ consumer protection concerns and an analysis on official media discussions and social media posts.

Our recent study on public opinion about China’s emerging social credit systems sheds light on how approval of social credit systems varies among different citizen groups. The study was conducted among 2209 Chinese citizens from February to April 2018 and is representative for the internet-connected population in China aged 14-65 (based on age, gender and region). Additionally, we conducted 15 semi-structured interviews with Chinese citizens to gain additional insights.

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https://www.merics.org/en/blog/chinas-social-credit-systems-are-highly-popular-nowCommercial rating systems are better known than local government pilots

The results show that social credit systems are already widely used in China: More than 80 percent of respondents reported to use a commercial pilot program, with Sesame Credit being the most popular system. In contrast, only 7 percent were aware of being part of a local government pilot. 43 percent of respondents lived in one of the 42 localities with a government-run pilot; of these, only 11 percent were aware of being part of a local government pilot. This suggests that local government pilots are not yet as advanced in scope or progress as a few showcase examples such as Honest Shanghai or Rongcheng in Shandong province might suggest.

Our survey suggests very high levels of approval. 80 percent of respondents either somewhat approve or strongly approve of social credit systems, 19 percent perceive the social credit systems in value neutral terms (neither disapprove nor approve) while just 1 percent reported either strong or moderate disapproval.

To some extent the high degree of approval we found might reflect the nature of conducting a survey in an authoritarian setting. Yet, half of respondents indicated strong approval, suggesting that overall public support is quite strong. The additional interviews we conducted further confirmed these high approval levels. However, the significant number of value-neutral respondents (neither approve nor disapprove) might suggest the existence of a group of “doubters” – one in five Chinese – who remain unconvinced and more critical.

Citizens with access to benefits respond more favorably

Interestingly, socially advantaged citizens – wealthier, better-educated and urban residents – show the strongest approval of social credit systems, along with older people. At first glance, it seems counterintuitive that these respondent groups would support systems that potentially influence their economic, political, and social freedom and opportunities. As current research by Jennifer Pan and Yiqing Xu suggests that in China the young, better-educated, coastal urban residents lean toward liberal views, there is an expectation that liberals would be more skeptical of social credit systems.

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One explanation could simply be that wealthier and better-educated urban respondents are more technology-savvy and interpret social credit systems as a technological advancement. However, in our recent study we propose a different interpretation. Higher educated and wealthier citizens, particularly in urban areas, have access to a wider range of benefits offered via social credit systems, such as deposit-free sharing economy services, fast-tracked check-ins for hotels, and mobile payment options. Social credit systems are viewed through a particularly positive lens by respondents with access to these benefits that contribute to a convenient and attractive lifestyle.

Social credit protects consumers, holds companies accountable

The survey results further show that wealthier, higher educated, urban respondents perceive social credit systems as an instrument to close institutional and regulatory gaps, leading to more honest and law-abiding behavior in society, and less as an instrument of surveillance. In line with this, interviewees were also conceivably less concerned that social credit systems provide data for purposes of social control since many assume that the Chinese security apparatus is able to access any such information already.

One such institutional gap as identified by respondents is China’s underdeveloped financial credit rating system, which has made it difficult for households to access credit. Commercial social credit systems such as Sesame Credit are seen as valuable as they offer banking services with attractive interest rates for loans and savings accounts for users with high scores.

In addition, social credit systems are seen to address regulatory enforcement issues ranging from food safety and non-compliance with environmental regulations to a growing number of internet scams. For instance, in a context of frequent food safety scandals, local government pilots such as Honest Shanghai offer users additional information to check whether restaurants are “trustworthy” and abide by food safety regulations. For example, 72 percent of survey respondents stated that their purchasing decisions were influenced by the social credit assessment of the company offering the products or services. Hence, social credit systems are seen as a helpful means to making things work and improving quality of life.

System’s future success will depend on transparency and fairness

The findings show that for many citizens, the assumption that private company pilots use fair and transparent methods to create social credit scores is a significant predictor of approval for social credit systems. Yet currently, the algorithms used to calculate individual scores are not known. As the SCS systems are advancing, more transparency in how the scores are calculated and weighted will be crucial for public support. Fairness will be the other major issue. In interviews, respondents expressed concerns over what they perceived as unfair scoring methods, with some worrying that the same standards might not apply to “people in powerful positions.” One interviewee pointed out the difficulties in repairing a low credit score after an extended period of sickness or personal (financial) difficulties.

Future developments of the pilot projects and of the joint enforcement of rewards and punishment will impact how the systems are perceived in the future. As the social credit system advances, consequences will become more far-reaching. Once citizens find that they are unable to understand how assessments of (un)trustworthiness are made or experience unfairness, it is unlikely that approval remains as high as observed in this survey.
https://www.merics.org/en/blog/chinas-social-credit-systems-are-highly-popular-now
 
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In Hitler's Germany the norm was to persecute minorities. So, the question is, what if the norm is inhuman, unjust and barbaric?



Yes because you can be punished for disagreeing with those having the state powers.

norm
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noun: norm; noun: the norm
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    something that is usual, typical, or standard.
In sociological terms, it is defined as the expected behavior by society although not required by law. Before we proceed any further, get a clarification on norms in China before demonizing, thanks.
 
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norm
/nɔːm/
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noun: norm; noun: the norm
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    something that is usual, typical, or standard.
In sociological terms, it is defined as the expected behavior by society although not required by law. Before we proceed any further, get a clarification on norms in China before demonizing, thanks.

In China the norm is to be an atheist. Not being an atheist can be seen as going against the society. It's not demonizing, it's happening as it happened in Nazi Germany. Norms cannot go against universal human values, if they do what happened to Nazi philosophy is bound to happen in XYZ as well and China is no extra-terrestrial entity.
 
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Perhaps China think absolute control of it's citizens is the way forward. Is it? is complete dictatorship the answer?

China’s plan to judge each of its 1.3 billion people based on their social behavior is moving a step closer to reality, with Beijing set to adopt a lifelong points program by 2021 that assigns personalized ratings for each resident.



The capital city will pool data from several departments to reward and punish some 22 million citizens based on their actions and reputations by the end of 2020, according to a plan posted on the Beijing municipal government’s website on Monday. Those with better so-called social credit will get “green channel” benefits while those who violate laws will find life more difficult.



The Beijing project will improve blacklist systems so that those deemed untrustworthy will be “unable to move even a single step,” according to the government’s plan. Xinhua reported on the proposal Tuesday, while the report posted on the municipal government’s website is dated July 18.




China has long experimented with systems that grade its citizens, rewarding good behavior with streamlined services while punishing bad actions with restrictions and penalties. Critics say such moves are fraught with risks and could lead to systems that reduce humans to little more than a report card.



Ambitious Plan
Beijing’s efforts represent the most ambitious yet among more than a dozen cities that are moving ahead with similar programs.

Hangzhou rolled out its personal credit system earlier this year, rewarding “pro-social behaviors” such as volunteer work and blood donations while punishing those who violate traffic laws and charge under-the-table fees. By the end of May, people with bad credit in China have been blocked from booking more than 11 million flights and 4 million high-speed train trips, according to the National Development and Reform Commission.


According to the Beijing government’s plan, different agencies will link databases to get a more detailed picture of every resident’s interactions across a swathe of services. The proposal calls for agencies including tourism bodies, business regulators and transit authorities to work together.

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Alipay app

Photographer: Anthony Kwan/Bloomberg
The tracking of individual behavior in China has become easier as economic life moves online, with apps such as Tencent’s WeChat and Ant Financial’s Alipay a central node for making payments, getting loans and organizing transport. Accounts are generally linked to mobile phone numbers, which in turn require government IDs.

The final version of China’s national social credit system remains uncertain. But as rules forcing social networks and internet providers to remove anonymity get increasingly enforced and facial recognition systems become more popular with policing bodies, authorities are likely to find everyone from internet dissenters to train-fare skippers easier to catch -- and punish -- than ever before.

— With assistance by Claire Che, David Ramli, and Dandan Li

https://www.bloomberg.com/technology

1. As long as this system does not use for rules the Western religious/moralistic norms and Western feminist norms I don't see what the problem here is.

2. There are thousands of CCTV cameras in Britain and I would say that the Britishers should be more worried about these cameras than the Chinese be worried about this credit system.

3. I have seen websites which have a reputation system for its members.

4. In a future human society where conventional money has been abolished and all necessary things are free ( like medical system, public transport etc ), certain things that are in short supply ( like a cake in cake shop ), a monthly or weekly or daily credit system can ensure obtaining such things.

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2. There are thousands of CCTV cameras in Britain and I would say that the Britishers should be more worried about these cameras than the Chinese be worried about this credit system.
You can't compare CCTV cameras in UK with this system in China. CCTV in UK are strictly used for traffic control and or tracing criminals. On weekends they also help in keeping order in UK's city centres where hordes of drunks pouring out of clubs are source of nuisence. I and most people in UK are cool with these CCTV cameras. In fact I would support more.

In my very quite suburban neighbourhood which has a oval with a two exist points onto the main road, we have been pushing the council to place CCTV at the entry points but for lack of funds this has not happened yet. The city council said they had other priorities as our oval suburb does not have enough residents to justify the cost. In the last neighbourhood meeting arranged by a local resident who is a retired magistrate did not go anywhere either. This time we had police rep as well but she said the crime rate was too low so the police could not support such a venture. Eventually we agreed that if the residents coughed up the money and service cost we could have CCTV at the two main entry points.

When CCTV cameras first were rolled out there were concerns but I think it's fair to say most people are cool with them today.
 
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