Bangladesh sham elections and sham coverage compared to Pakistan

[Joe Shearer]

Even the crows will laugh at my broken English.

Bad boy.

These are not crows; these are ghazis, stalwarts of Islam, out to show you how to run a country. They know all about it.

 

[Mage]

Morons will remain morons.

These are supposed to be examples of the suppressed, voiceless, repressed Bangladeshi media.

Logic was never a green chaddi's strong suit.



The word you might be looking for is 'hilarious'.



If, hypothetically speaking, you were Turkish, you wouldn't be singing this tune. Not after Erdogan got a new set of paperweights.......



The true voice of Turkey.



If that is the effect of Indian influence, taking you seriously in spite of your laughable attempts at projecting a phony personality, perhaps Pakistan should take on some such influence. Maybe you should be hiring CEOs, managers, professionals, even floor supervisors, for all your industries. That might - MIGHT - keep you out of the clutches of the CPEC.

The downside is that it might prove that Pakistani folks, even those putting on phony personalities and intoning some confused bilge from the safety of their refuges in the US, might be good for menial jobs - whether in Pakistan, the US or in Turkey.

A BD doctor can't even read an X Ray film.

Well, well. It seems that Pakistani doctors can read X Ray films. Well enough to send their patients to Indian hospitals for cure.

Logic, as has been explained before, was never a green chaddi's strong suit.



So why are you talking about civilian government? That's the kind that Bangladesh has, and they can hardly help it if you don't know how to spell 'civil' or 'civilian'. Whose words are you repeating, when you criticise a democratic country, and defend an undemocratic one, run by its Army, with such passion?

It's sad what you (or 'yall', if you prefer) have become.



Your grammar is weak, and your tenses are wrong. It's been done; that ship has sailed.



You don't get it, chief. They have no identity other than not being Indian. They can't understand what is happening in Bangladesh, and how B'desh can do well and go about its own business, and not care much about India and Indians. Inconceivable to them; as you said, obsessed with others.



Do you know the difference between an army and a gendarmerie?



Testing of Islam and Islamic beliefs done here, free of cost.

Hakikat hoilo turoshker pagol. A comedic relief here. Er Sathe Kotha bole kono lav nai.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Joe my dear young fella:

The bolded bit. There is a severe contradiction in that statement of Ahammok ve Bewakuf I would like to point out.

So he says, Bengali army has been castrated by Hasina, which implies if the army were not castrated they could've pull out a coupe and remove Hasina from power. His pain is that the army is not pulling such a coup and taking orders from the PM instead. In any civilized and democratic country that's how exactly it should be, army as one of the many arms of the parliament must take orders from the elected people and not the other way around.

While they are getting hurburn the army is not doing that, at the same time they are claiming Pakistan is a far better democratic country than BD. Clearly shows lack of democracy in Pakistan is the direct result of how their people see the relationship between the civilian government and military should be.

I stand corrected, Chacha. Kshoma chai.

 

[saiyan0321]

As opposed to what?

In India, he is the seniormost member of the Election Commission remaining after the incumbent CEC retires. No fuss, no feathers. As may have been mentioned elsewhere, we manage our elections without these cunning stunts

Not a fan of caretaker govt then Joe? :p

I personally feel that caretaker govt adds to the stability of the country whilst the elections are being run and helps in the electoral process and thanks to the fact that both the opposition and govt sets the caretaker govt together it also adds to the neutrality factor as well as the will of all major parties.. In a country like Pakistan where the sitting govt will play a role in the elections if in power and even if it doesn't then the opposition will make sure to blame any loss to the sitting govt.

How is it in India? Does the govt continue to stay in power during elections? No form of caretaker setup is placed? How does it ensure electoral fairness? Surely the losing party must make hue and cry?

 

[Bengal71]

Amazing that a Turk should have such intimate knowledge of a country that he does not much care for. But then, we are reading a real, live military historian.

Turks said he is fake. He is an inferiority complex ridden Pakistani wannabe Ottoman.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hakikat hoilo turoshker pagol. A comedic relief here. Er Sathe Kotha bole kono lav nai.

Turushko noi, deshi bhai, shudhu phutani mare. Kotha bole to labh nai, thatta korte apotti-ta ki?

 

[bd_4_ever]

The hypocrisy is rife in this thread. Military-run country, none of whose 'democratically-elected' PMs in their history have been able to complete even a single term, has the audacity to compare and point fingers at others? Like @Joe Shearer said above, logic doesn't seem to be green chaddi's strong suit.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/25/no-one-has-ever-completed-a-term-as-pakistans-pm/

Should remain busy travelling with their begging bowls around the world.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Not a fan of caretaker govt then Joe? :p

No, on the contrary, I thought that was a terrific innovation and was sad to see it slide under. I was just taking issue with one of the snivelling little excuses running around biting everybody else on the backside.

I personally feel that caretaker govt adds to the stability of the country whilst the elections are being run and helps in the electoral process and thanks to the fact that both the opposition and govt sets the caretaker govt together it also adds to the neutrality factor as well as the will of all major parties.. In a country like Pakistan where the sitting govt will play a role in the elections if in power and even if it doesn't then the opposition will make sure to blame any loss to the sitting govt.

I agree with you 100%. However, read on.

How is it in India? Does the govt continue to stay in power during elections? No form of caretaker setup is placed? How does it ensure electoral fairness? Surely the losing party must make hue and cry?

The government stays in power during elections. The Election Commission, however, guards the integrity of government jealously the moment it announces election dates; no transfers of officials (sometimes transfers are reversed, even if made earlier), no goodies, no giveaways, no speeches of a particular variety, and so on. In effect, both at state and at national level, there is a severe scrutiny of government actions.

Your question about electoral fairness: this was one of Nehru's legacies. He expected governments to remain above party politics, and expected that there would be a gentlemanly restraint against the misuse of power. By some miracle, this has held largely true; there have been egregious examples that drive people hot under the collar, but they have been exceptions, sufficiently so that their occurrence drives people hot under the
collar.

Does the losing party make a hue and cry? You bet! The latest is about the unreliability of Electronic Voting Machines. Everybody keeps everybody else on their toes, with the Supreme Court tearing out its hair trying to keep track of what's going on in the field of play!!

 

[Bengal71]

Turks said he is fake. He is an inferiority complex ridden Pakistani wannabe Ottoman.

@Mage @joe Shearer

I sometimes think Hakikat maybe Bengali. With his detailed knowledge of many things Bengali, he could be a Bengali, probably from the Jamat variety.

 

[Mage]

Turushko noi, deshi bhai, shudhu phutani mare. Kotha bole to labh nai, thatta korte apotti-ta ki?

One thing is true, healthy competitive democracy is absent in Bangladesh. India is much ahead in this regard. We till date haven't found a stable way to govern ourselves. That's a reason some military administrators are seen positively because their adminstration was much more disciplined than civilian administrators.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Stabbing islam ? When did that happen, can you elaborate ?

Don't you know? Some rascal Bangladeshis criticised Pakistan.

@Mage @joe Shrearer

I sometimes think Hakikat maybe Bengali. With his detailed knowledge of many things Bengali, he could be a Bengali, probably from the Jamat variety.

That is a distinct possibility. Whatever his actual ethnicity, he is quite a pathetic and comic figure, posturing as something that he never can be, saying spiteful things with that weird vocabulary in the hope that it gets attention, never anything positive about anyone or anything, just a long litany of woe.

Korta, odhomer nam-ta khyan koren.

 

[Mage]

@Mage @joe Shearer

I sometimes think Hakikat maybe Bengali. With his detailed knowledge of many things Bengali, he could be a Bengali, probably from the Jamat variety.

Sometimes I'm surprised by his knowledge about Bangladesh too.

I just don't know why he regards Mujib as a traitor and Zia as a 'Muslim president trained by Pak military academy' though. Given Zia's role in 1971.

 

[Bengal71]

Don't you know? Some rascal Bangladeshis criticised Pakistan.



That is a distinct possibility. Whatever his actual ethnicity, he is quite a pathetic and comic figure, posturing as something that he never can be, saying spiteful things with that weird vocabulary in the hope that it gets attention, never anything positive about anyone or anything, just a long litany of woe.

No no, he is very positive about Pakistan-Turkey alliance and in the near future it's going to start flowing rivers of milk and honey in both the countries. He just expresses his regrets how the poor and peasant Bengalis are foolishly missing out on it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sheikh Mujib was also an observant Muslim. He used to pray 5 times a day. During the 1970 election, Ramadan month was just before the polling. He fasted entire 30 days, simultaneously traveled every nook and corner of East Pakistan for election campaign accepting much physical hardship. This can not be said about his rival like Bhutto or Yahya. Even during the Ramadan, Yahya used to drink heavily and frequented prostitutes at day time.

Or Bhutto's classic remark, "Haan, pita to hoon, par lehoon to nahin pita hoon."

Right. Observant, proven.

No no, he is very positive about Pakistan-Turkey alliance and in the near future it's going start flowing rivers of milk and honey in both the countries. He just expresses his regrets how the poor and peasant Bengalis are foolishly missing out on it.

Drat.

Missed out on it.

Citizen of a country that is home to the third largest muslim population in the world.
Much more than ur revered arab countries that consider themselves to be the owner of Islam.

Not owner. Thekedar.

Citizen of a country that is home to the third largest muslim population in the world.
Much more than ur revered arab countries that consider themselves to be the owner of Islam.

You might like to point out to the young person that there are more people speaking Bengali than there are speaking Arabic.

 

[saiyan0321]

Your question about electoral fairness: this was one of Nehru's legacies. He expected governments to remain above party politics, and expected that there would be a gentlemanly restraint against the misuse of power. By some miracle, this has held largely true; there have been egregious examples that drive people hot under the collar, but they have been exceptions, sufficiently so that their occurrence drives people hot under the
collar.

Very impressive. If the govt institution is able to detach itself from party politics to safeguard the integrity of the govt then its truly an example of a successful governance model. Every system has problems and chinks but If it largely works then its very successful and impressive. another thing Indians owe to nehru. The bakhts should really not bad mounth him if he could pull this off.

No miracles in governance Joe. Only the focus and determination to make a system work.

Does the losing party make a hue and cry? You bet! The latest is about the unreliability of Electronic Voting Machines. Everybody keeps everybody else on their toes, with the Supreme Court tearing out its hair trying to keep track of what's going on in the field of play!

Lolzz... Its always a mess. :p :p :p