Bangladesh ranks 88th on hunger index out of 117 countries, above Pakistan (94th) and India (102nd)

[Black_cats]

I am trying to understand how come india has hunger issue despite being one of the largest agricultural producer? It dont make sense. Is it cause indian government export too much instead of feeding its poor? Or is it supply chain management problems? Like too much waste maybe or one area has too much production but other area isnt. If it was some sub saharan African country will make sense since they have water problem also other issues. But how come india? Just curious...some one should do research on this issue.

Entire India is not Bollywood not Mumbai or Delhi only. Vast majority of Indian are extremely poor and can’t afford to buy food. One of the minister of Bihar once asked its people to eat rats. Farmers commuting suicide for not able to pay debt is common. What do you expect from such a basket case of 1.3 billion people. Yes India is growing and has a booming middle class but that’s concentrated to few people and service class of few states only. Not the story of entire India.

 

[Nilgiri]

I am trying to understand how come india has hunger issue despite being one of the largest agricultural producer? It dont make sense. Is it cause indian government export too much instead of feeding its poor? Or is it supply chain management problems? Like too much waste maybe or one area has too much production but other area isnt. If it was some sub saharan African country will make sense since they have water problem also other issues. But how come india? Just curious...some one should do research on this issue.

Because comprehensive nutrition is something much more than simply having macro-access to food (by way of enough supply of grain etc). It needs pervasive education and health delivery on very important things (like anemia of teenage girls who will later be mothers, much better micro-nutrient knowledge etc).

Those are just starting in some parts in India case given high rural population and large population backward states (and its not keeping as much pace with improvement in the survey data through NFHS so there is going to be lag).

NFHS-V (released later this year and next) results will be interesting to see, because that will be a very new scale of exercise.

More countries will also have to keep improving their survey and institutions handling those....to actually fix the rooted problems on the ground rather than just making results on paper.

Refer to my post and watch the video there too (for more details on why it needs detailed comprehensive solution rather than simplistic availability macro stuff), it applies broadly to South Asia and developing world in general:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/more-hunger-in-india-than-pakistan-ghi.639597/page-2#post-11838133

What India or any country should never do is get rid of large surveying results like BD has (in effort to make numbers better on paper). We need as big and detailed surveys as possible to fix the issues in the end....its best to be as honest and transparent as possible....which requires good sound institutional development and continued reform.

 

[srshkmr]

I am trying to understand how come india has hunger issue despite being one of the largest agricultural producer? It dont make sense. Is it cause indian government export too much instead of feeding its poor? Or is it supply chain management problems? Like too much waste maybe or one area has too much production but other area isnt. If it was some sub saharan African country will make sense since they have water problem also other issues. But how come india? Just curious...some one should do research on this issue.

Its a classic production(Supply and Demand)/ logistics / mismanagement issue.

Take for example:

Egg rate in TamilNadu is 4.2 INR (Affordability is high)
Egg rate in Kerala is 9 INR (Affordability is low)
Egg rate in Karnataka is 5.15 INR

The production rate of eggs is higher in TN which reduces the prices, but at the same time most of the eggs will expire in 2-4 weeks, But they are not transported to Kerala to reduce the prices and inflation there.

This happens to most of the food products that are produced in the country.

As per the below article According to the United Nations Development Programme, up to 40% of the food produced in India is wasted. About 21 million tonnes of wheat are wasted in India and 50% of all food across the world meets the same fate and never reaches the needy. In fact, according to the agriculture ministry, INR 50,000 crores worth of food produced is wasted every year in the country.

https://thecsrjournal.in/food-wastage-in-india-a-serious-concern/

What India or any country should never do is get rid of large surveying results like BD has (in effort to make numbers better on paper). We need as big and detailed surveys as possible to fix the issues in the end....its best to be as honest and transparent as possible....which requires good sound institutional development and continued reform.

Well, the large scale surveying system works fine for a country with smaller and less diverse system. For India it would be best if the surveys are done at the district level that means more people coverage and more data sets we will have to analyse and find solutions for the problem.With more data we could actually find and root out problems. Including reducing the wastage.

 

[Nilgiri]

Well, the large scale surveying system works fine for a country with smaller and less diverse system. For India it would be best if the surveys are done at the district level that means more people coverage and more data sets we will have to analyse and find solutions for the problem.With more data we could actually find and root out problems. Including reducing the wastage.

Yes...I mean the best most accurate survey techniques and refinement over time of that. But BD ad hoc ended one pretty reputable one because numbers weren't great and I suppose they made the inner argument to themselves that they can do better with govt mechanisms (same ones that deliver 95% election results)....so less said about that the better tbh. Its their decision in the end....and one does not need to look far to find some immediate stark dissonances.

Anyway India is making even more changes in NFHS V qualitatively...NFHS IV was a big improvement to begin with over previous NFHS samplings....so the direction with getting more accurate honest and data with improving resolution is going in right direction. We shouldn't worry about "rank" changes (among lot of peers that dont want to institutionally improve or have a relatively free society and media and opposition and debate in first place) that are caused by improving our scope to get the best real picture on the ground, because its all about fixing the problem for good.

Watching the video I posted in my previous post link has good analysis on all of this stuff.

 

[mmr]

Entire India is not Bollywood not Mumbai or Delhi only. Vast majority of Indian are extremely poor and can’t afford to buy food. One of the minister of Bihar once asked its people to eat rats. Farmers commuting suicide for not able to pay debt is common. What do you expect from such a basket case of 1.3 billion people. Yes India is growing and has a booming middle class but that’s concentrated to few people and service class of few states only. Not the story of entire India.

South asia in general has problem with food preservation and distribution. No one should go hungry dont matter which race or religion.

Its a classic production(Supply and Demand)/ logistics / mismanagement issue.

Take for example:

Egg rate in TamilNadu is 4.2 INR (Affordability is high)
Egg rate in Kerala is 9 INR (Affordability is low)
Egg rate in Karnataka is 5.15 INR

The production rate of eggs is higher in TN which reduces the prices, but at the same time most of the eggs will expire in 2-4 weeks, But they are not transported to Kerala to reduce the prices and inflation there.

This happens to most of the food products that are produced in the country.

As per the below article According to the United Nations Development Programme, up to 40% of the food produced in India is wasted. About 21 million tonnes of wheat are wasted in India and 50% of all food across the world meets the same fate and never reaches the needy. In fact, according to the agriculture ministry, INR 50,000 crores worth of food produced is wasted every year in the country.

https://thecsrjournal.in/food-wastage-in-india-a-serious-concern/



Well, the large scale surveying system works fine for a country with smaller and less diverse system. For India it would be best if the surveys are done at the district level that means more people coverage and more data sets we will have to analyse and find solutions for the problem.With more data we could actually find and root out problems. Including reducing the wastage.

This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing.

 

[mb444]

Hardly great news for BD.
Govt needs ro accelerate development and expand safety net. They should try to provide a good breakfast and lunch at schools and also encourage big employer to do the same and give them tax incentive to do the same for their workers.

 

[Bilal9]

Its a classic production(Supply and Demand)/ logistics / mismanagement issue.

Take for example:

Egg rate in TamilNadu is 4.2 INR (Affordability is high)
Egg rate in Kerala is 9 INR (Affordability is low)
Egg rate in Karnataka is 5.15 INR

The production rate of eggs is higher in TN which reduces the prices, but at the same time most of the eggs will expire in 2-4 weeks, But they are not transported to Kerala to reduce the prices and inflation there.

This happens to most of the food products that are produced in the country.

As per the below article According to the United Nations Development Programme, up to 40% of the food produced in India is wasted. About 21 million tonnes of wheat are wasted in India and 50% of all food across the world meets the same fate and never reaches the needy. In fact, according to the agriculture ministry, INR 50,000 crores worth of food produced is wasted every year in the country.

https://thecsrjournal.in/food-wastage-in-india-a-serious-concern/



Well, the large scale surveying system works fine for a country with smaller and less diverse system. For India it would be best if the surveys are done at the district level that means more people coverage and more data sets we will have to analyse and find solutions for the problem.With more data we could actually find and root out problems. Including reducing the wastage.

I would think a nation that can invest so much effort into seemingly irrelevant (to its population) projects like MARS Missions could do a far better job at crucially important issues like food preservation technology (such as refrigerated trucks and fast-tracking shipments for perishables). In most second world countries even - these issues are really non-issues.

Food wastage is a huge problem in South Asia (especially eggs and fruit, of which more than half is wasted because of lack of refrigeration).

Hardly great news for BD.
Govt needs ro accelerate development and expand safety net. They should try to provide a good breakfast and lunch at schools and also encourage big employer to do the same and give them tax incentive to do the same for their workers.

Already cleared by the govt. for 15 million primary/secondary students.

https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/201...cy-to-ensure-nutrition-of-15-million-children

Most better apparel factories provide subsidized or free meals to their workers. Along with daycare for infants and toddlers.

 

[bluesky]

Can you imagine these ppl love to send failed rocket mission but cant feed there own ppl and refuse to build toilets. Always saying crap about pakistan and bd for no reason.

India is a stupid country. It regularly asks donations from West Europe to do some space mission jobs when its people remain hungry and destitute. Very sad.

@Nilgiri, are you going to write another 3-page Ramayana on the solemn subject of the relationship between India's poverty and space mission? A stupid country!!

 

[El Sidd]

The world does not even know the population of Bangladesh and they are ranked 88th.

That is some stuff of drunken legends

 

[Nilgiri]

The world does not even know the population of Bangladesh and they are ranked 88th.

That is some stuff of drunken legends

Hilsarious.

BD seem to have this "3" number stuck in their head (some guy tagging me and asking for "3" pages). Must be from their root "3" million story complex....and their govt uses to force feed whatever else it feels it needs to....so they can live a little above the flood water deluge and feel a little happy.

They like to live in denial, but people know the reality (nutrition or anything else) when they surface anywhere else (and regular people without such psyche and complex live, free from swamp hilsa stronk types):

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-yor...unity-poorer-blacks-latinos-article-1.1075313

A third of New York's Bangladeshis suffer from diabetes, said Haq, three times the city's average rate.

"Their food is too starchy; they eat too much rice," Haq said.

See what I mean? There's that glorious son-of-a-biatch number again.

 

[bluesky]

They like to live in denial, but people know the reality (nutrition or anything else) when they surface anywhere else (and regular people without such psyche and complex live, free from swamp hilsa stronk types):

@Nilgiri, are you not ashamed that about 100 hungry fishermen from India have been detained by our law enforcers in the sea and rivers in this October? I am not one of them but people are fond of saying, "India is a giant with two clay feet". How long you guys will remain below the status of BD? Is not it a shame? Oh!! I forgot India has Ambani, TATA, Birla and others who are very very rich.

However, I think since BD does not need to import food from India any more, the hungry Indians will get larger quantity of food in their plates.

 

[Pandora]

Wow so now we are competing on who came 1st from the last? South Asia has a massive population problem leading to food scarcity and these lists are generated based on official data from governments so it can easily be fudged to get better ranking.

 

[mmr]

India is a stupid country. It regularly asks donations from West Europe to do some space mission jobs when its people remain hungry and destitute. Very sad.

@Nilgiri, are you going to write another 3-page Ramayana on the solemn subject of the relationship between India's poverty and space mission? A stupid country!!

Bd should lease land in russia and do cultivation there. There are many countries has lot of land but dont utilize those properly.

About indian ambition of space nothing wrong with it. But i think they dont have there priorities right.

 

[bluesky]

South asia in general has problem with food preservation and distribution. No one should go hungry dont matter which race or religion.

It is not that everybody will be fed full stomach only if the country produces more than it needs? I think it may not be so unless people are engaged in productive employment where they earn money. All the poor countries have this syndrome of hunger related to unemployment or more specifically lack of employment opportunities.

South Asian countries are all almost the same. In the case of BD, it is less acute just because many people have farmlands. India (as well as BD) needs to build many production factories instead of importing billions of dollars worth of goods from China. Essentially, India is exporting employment to China and as a result, people live in meager conditions.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri, are you not ashamed that about 100 hungry fishermen from India have been detained by our law enforcers in the sea and rivers in this October? I am not one of them but people are fond of saying, "India is a giant with two clay feet". How long you guys will remain below the status of BD? Is not it a shame? Oh!! I forgot India has Ambani, TATA, Birla and others who are very very rich.

However, I think since BD does not need to import food from India any more, the hungry Indians will get larger quantity of food in their plates.

Have you passed the homosexual-hyper sensitive billu's bengali test yet? ...so you can enjoy 300 taka tea and CGI?

Maybe it will finally help to getting first needle factory in BD too....so you dont need to waste so much time looking at just brochures for that failed company with predictably hidden financials...."walton" lol.