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Bangladesh looks west for attack helicopters

KA 52 is ok but Z10 is a junk. Rather BD should go for LCH which is a much better deal.

I doubt they'd get it in time, given HAL's track record of delivery. We alone have ordered 180 of them (115 for IA + 65 for IAF). HAL's peak production capacity is 15 a year. :lol:

Besides, they don't really need a high altitude attack helicopter. Their country has a maximum of small green hills. which even a regular heavy helicopter can fly.
 
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I think bulk of the developments happen in USA before WWII.....it was already a very strong force when it joined WWII. Well it was quite strong in WWI as well. Industrialization happened in USA well before WWII. @Nilgiri

Yes bulk of US legacy industrialization happened in first half of 20th century. More "value addition" happened in 2nd half....a lot of that was done by being a WW2 victor and thus having USD as global standard (and keeping it as such even after gold standard removed).
 
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Yes bulk of US legacy industrialization happened in first half of 20th century. More "value addition" happened in 2nd half....a lot of that was done by being a WW2 victor and thus having USD as global standard (and keeping it as such even after gold standard removed).


US had already surpassed UK GDP per capita before the start of the 20th Century.
 
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I doubt they'd get it in time, given HAL's track record of delivery. We alone have ordered 180 of them (115 for IA + 65 for IAF). HAL's peak production capacity is 15 a year. :lol:

Besides, they don't really need a high altitude attack helicopter. Their country has a maximum of small green hills. which even a regular heavy helicopter can fly.

Do you know HAL had delivered 36 ALH in a year.
 
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Do you know HAL had delivered 36 ALH in a year.

As of 2009 - Ecuador was planning to return remaining Dhruv after four of the seven supplied crashed. Suffice it to say Dhruv (ALH) is not a runaway success.

https://www.oneindia.com/2009/10/30/ecuador-to-return-6-indian-dhruv-choppers.html

And as of 2015 - "In a major setback for India, Ecuador has grounded all the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopters after four of the seven choppers crashed.

It has unilaterally ended the contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, reports NDTV."

https://web.archive.org/web/2015101...736/ecuador-grounds-fleet-dhruv-choppers.html

Bribing ministers of foreign countries can only go so far. Who will want to see a repeat of this in their own air force?

I believe only last year there was an IA incident where the hoist in one of the helis broke. This is unheard of in helis, except in Indian made ones.

Here is the long list of fatal crashes involving Dhruvs. Almost a dozen deaths in the last five years alone.

  • In November 2005, a Dhruv crash-landed in Andhra Pradesh, causing the entire fleet to be grounded; the subsequent probe found a fault with the helicopter's tail rotor blades, which has since been corrected.[23][24]
  • On 2 February 2007, during rehearsals prior to Aero India, a HAL Dhruv of the Sarang helicopter display team of the Indian Air Force crashed, killing co-pilot Squadron Leader Priye Sharma and injuring the pilot Wing Commander Vikas Jetley.[126] After being in a coma for almost four years, Vikas Jetley died in January 2011.[127] The helicopter team continued to perform in the air show.[128]
  • In October 2009, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv flew into the ground near Quito while attempting formation flight with two other helicopters. The remaining six aircraft were grounded during the investigation, which later concluded pilot error to be the cause.[129]
  • In February 2010, an Indian Air Force Dhruv was forced to make a crash landing after suffering a loss of power while rehearsing for the "Vayu Shakti" air show; both pilots survived.[23]
  • On 14 December 2010, a Dhruv crashed in Jammu injuring all 9 personnel on board.[130]
  • On 22 December 2010, a Dhruv crashed in Leh injuring both pilots.[130]
  • On 21 April 2011, four army personnel were killed when a Dhruv crashed in north Sikkim. Initial reports pointed to weather as the cause, but a court of inquiry was established to ascertain the exact cause.[131]
  • On 19 October 2011, an Indian Border Security Force (BSF) Dhruv (VT-BSH) crashed in north-east India, resulting in the deaths of the three crew on board.[132] The cause of the crash was found to be pilot error due to spatial disorientation.[133]
  • On 15 January 2012, a BSF Dhruv (VT-BSN) crashed on the runway at Raipur airport during a test flight; there were no deaths but all five of the crew on board were injured.[134] Investigation by DGCA has concluded that the crash was caused by pilot error.[135] Inadequacies in training of flight crew had been identified.
  • On 5 April 2012, a Dhruv was heavily damaged by Maoists who fired upon the helicopter [136]
  • On 13 May 2013, a Dhruv crashed in Siachen injuring the pilot and co-pilot [137]
  • On 19 December 2013, a Dhruv armed with weapons made an emergency landing in Karnataka.[138]
  • On 22 February 2014, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv often used as a presidential transport crashed in the Chimborazo region. The pilot Captain Fabian Pazos Narvaez survived, but three military officials were killed. The incident is under investigation.[139][140]
  • On 25 July 2014, an Indian Air Force Dhruv crashed near Sitapur in Uttar Pradesh, India. All seven on board were killed. It had been tracked from the ATC of a Delhi air force station until contact with the aircraft was suddenly lost. A mayday call from the pilots appeared to highlight a mechanical failure as the cause. The IAF ordered a court of inquiry to establish the cause of the crash.[141]
  • On 13 January 2015, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv crashed injuring 2 crew members [142]
  • On 28 January 2015, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv crashed injuring 4 crew members [142]
  • On 11 February 2015, an Indian Army Dhruv crashed in Jammu&Kashmir, killing 2 crew members.[143]
  • On 4 July 2017 and Indian Air Force Dhruv crashed in Arunachal Prasesh killing all 4 crew members onboard [144]
  • On 5 September 2017 several Indian Army (IA) personnel, including two generals, survived with only minor injuries from the crash in India’s Himalayan region of Ladakh.[145]
 
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As of 2009 - Ecuador was planning to return remaining Dhruv after four of the seven supplied crashed. Suffice it to say Dhruv (ALH) is not a runaway success.

https://www.oneindia.com/2009/10/30/ecuador-to-return-6-indian-dhruv-choppers.html

And as of 2015 - "In a major setback for India, Ecuador has grounded all the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopters after four of the seven choppers crashed.

It has unilaterally ended the contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, reports NDTV."

https://web.archive.org/web/2015101...736/ecuador-grounds-fleet-dhruv-choppers.html

Bribing ministers of foreign countries can only go so far. Who will want to see a repeat of this in their own air force?

I believe only last year there was an IA incident where the hoist in one of the helis broke. This is unheard of in helis, except in Indian made ones.

Here is the long list of fatal crashes involving Dhruvs. Almost a dozen deaths in the last five years alone.

  • In November 2005, a Dhruv crash-landed in Andhra Pradesh, causing the entire fleet to be grounded; the subsequent probe found a fault with the helicopter's tail rotor blades, which has since been corrected.[23][24]
  • On 2 February 2007, during rehearsals prior to Aero India, a HAL Dhruv of the Sarang helicopter display team of the Indian Air Force crashed, killing co-pilot Squadron Leader Priye Sharma and injuring the pilot Wing Commander Vikas Jetley.[126] After being in a coma for almost four years, Vikas Jetley died in January 2011.[127] The helicopter team continued to perform in the air show.[128]
  • In October 2009, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv flew into the ground near Quito while attempting formation flight with two other helicopters. The remaining six aircraft were grounded during the investigation, which later concluded pilot error to be the cause.[129]
  • In February 2010, an Indian Air Force Dhruv was forced to make a crash landing after suffering a loss of power while rehearsing for the "Vayu Shakti" air show; both pilots survived.[23]
  • On 14 December 2010, a Dhruv crashed in Jammu injuring all 9 personnel on board.[130]
  • On 22 December 2010, a Dhruv crashed in Leh injuring both pilots.[130]
  • On 21 April 2011, four army personnel were killed when a Dhruv crashed in north Sikkim. Initial reports pointed to weather as the cause, but a court of inquiry was established to ascertain the exact cause.[131]
  • On 19 October 2011, an Indian Border Security Force (BSF) Dhruv (VT-BSH) crashed in north-east India, resulting in the deaths of the three crew on board.[132] The cause of the crash was found to be pilot error due to spatial disorientation.[133]
  • On 15 January 2012, a BSF Dhruv (VT-BSN) crashed on the runway at Raipur airport during a test flight; there were no deaths but all five of the crew on board were injured.[134] Investigation by DGCA has concluded that the crash was caused by pilot error.[135] Inadequacies in training of flight crew had been identified.
  • On 5 April 2012, a Dhruv was heavily damaged by Maoists who fired upon the helicopter [136]
  • On 13 May 2013, a Dhruv crashed in Siachen injuring the pilot and co-pilot [137]
  • On 19 December 2013, a Dhruv armed with weapons made an emergency landing in Karnataka.[138]
  • On 22 February 2014, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv often used as a presidential transport crashed in the Chimborazo region. The pilot Captain Fabian Pazos Narvaez survived, but three military officials were killed. The incident is under investigation.[139][140]
  • On 25 July 2014, an Indian Air Force Dhruv crashed near Sitapur in Uttar Pradesh, India. All seven on board were killed. It had been tracked from the ATC of a Delhi air force station until contact with the aircraft was suddenly lost. A mayday call from the pilots appeared to highlight a mechanical failure as the cause. The IAF ordered a court of inquiry to establish the cause of the crash.[141]
  • On 13 January 2015, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv crashed injuring 2 crew members [142]
  • On 28 January 2015, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv crashed injuring 4 crew members [142]
  • On 11 February 2015, an Indian Army Dhruv crashed in Jammu&Kashmir, killing 2 crew members.[143]
  • On 4 July 2017 and Indian Air Force Dhruv crashed in Arunachal Prasesh killing all 4 crew members onboard [144]
  • On 5 September 2017 several Indian Army (IA) personnel, including two generals, survived with only minor injuries from the crash in India’s Himalayan region of Ladakh.[145]

We have suppled it to atleast 7 to 8 nations. They are using it for over 5 years without any accident. We have used it over 1 lakh hour with only 1 accident. Ecuador crashes were due to handling issue.
 
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I wasn't talking about anything in particular. I was just investigating whether the deal might have had other strings attached since T129 wasn't selected. I don't think you should be worried regarding the engine issue (it was a lie that US had blocked engines for Pakistan). The T129 is superior in terms of improved avionics and performance + actual and intense combat experience. They are pretty much alike otherwise, product experience shouldn't be a problem.
who wanna copycat if original is available.

I honestly think LCH would be a better option. For being cheaper and having western components. 8 isnt a huge number.
The lag will be the final testing phase which is going right now for anti tank missile in this helo. But by the time RFP and contract is ready, LCH will be operational in significant numbers in IA and IAF with anti tank missile capability.
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We have suppled it to atleast 7 to 8 nations. They are using it for over 5 years without any accident. We have used it over 1 lakh hour with only 1 accident. Ecuador crashes were due to handling issue.
BD wont buy any military equipment from India, so just save it.
 
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KA 52 is ok but Z10 is a junk. Rather BD should go for LCH which is a much better deal.

Are you out of your mind, Indian?

Yeah, that's why nobody went for your copied Chinese plastic choppers, right?

You are an Afhgan? What have you got in your hand? Nothing. You can't even feed yourself, what's the point to attack Chinese?
 
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You are an Afhgan? What have you got in your hand? Nothing. You can't even feed yourself, what's the point to attack Chinese?


Dude, even Pakistan rejected your Z-10 and went for Turkish T-129.
 
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Guys let's not point fingers at nations based on one or two products. I am ashamed to have started this with my ALH post. But record of Dhruv (ALH) is really bad. Could be because it is a new product or could be because of QC problems not corrected by HAL which even going by Indian accounts is not a top grade company with greatly reliable products.

I believe we should always look at track record before buying or evaluating military hardware.

Countries take a long road to develop these hardware (even if reverse engineered or product of a licensed JV), and initially the quality/reliability will have gaps before smoothing out issues.
 
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