Bangladesh: Defence to get extensive facelift

[IceCold]

iajdani.........that is good to know still i would like to see a guaranteed nuke Umbrella for Bangladesh from Pakistan aside from this NPT for the fact US is supporting India u must have a backup plan always don't depend on Goras....

Why would we want to provide a nuclear umbrella to BD and against whom? Moreover providing a nuclear umbrella isn't that easy either, you get on the direct hit list of the country you are providing it against.
Our nuclear shield is for us and us alone or perhaps if time comes maybe for Saudi Arabia but not everyone and anyone just because we have one.

 

[khaled_m_ali]

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[leonblack08]

What about the frigates,any ideas which ones are going to be brought?

 

[DarkStar]

A nuclear umbrella provided to Bengladesh wouldn't be bad at all. But there needs to be a much friendlier tone from Bengladesh for that to happen. Relations shouldn't be dependant upon which particular politician is in office at a particular time.

On another note, what threat does Bengladesh perceive that it may require such an umbrella? Does she think Bharat has designs on her territory?

 

[IceCold]

Giving nuclear umbrella to every other country in the name of so called brother hood will gain alot of attention. I hope all of you guys favoring this umbrella understand what gaining attention means for Pakistan and its nuclear program.

 

[IceCold]

From what I have heard, China had offered both the JF-17 and J-10 to BAF. The JF-17 was rejected in favour of the J-10, and the J-10 has positive feedback.

So if BAF procures Chinese aircraft, it will be the J-10. If Russian, then it will be the Su-27/30 series.

First of all what China offered is FC-1 and not JF-17. You may want to argue that FC-1 and JF-17 are the same thing, however let me be very clear about it JF-17 is anything but FC-1 that you guys will get if you choose to. Same stands for the J-10.

SAMs will be procured from China, Chinese SAMs are very advanced and capable, they can tear down Indian cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and aircraft (even their mighty Su-30MKI)

Really! which cruise missile is it capable of tearing down? A reliable source will be appreciated.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

AL is surely getting pressure from the military... other-wise it wouldn't be a long list... She would not disatisfy the military other-wise the case would turn out like the assassination of Sheikh Mujib!!

If the military is pushing this I hope it is not a follow-up of the defence agreements that Gen. Moin made with the Indians otherwise we will have to purchase this stuff from them and they will also provide the maintenance and spare parts. That is not a good situation to be in.

There were many factors for Sheikh Mujib's assassination and one of them was humiliation of the army by the creation of the Rakkhi Bahini and distrust from the military. I have even heard that his son Russel used to abuse army officers with vulgar language so think how the rest of that family behaved. Hopefully Shiekh Hasina will not make the same mistake but she will probably end up being assassinated by the Indians and replaced with Rehena.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Icecold why should we provide nuke umbrella to Saudi Arab and why not Bangladesh care to elaborate?? just to counter ur argument when the new King of Arabia goes to India calling India as its second home got my point..Pakistan has already got world attention what sort of attention are you talking about so much attention has been given that west is talking about nukes going into the hands of Militants and Pakistan is weak and can't control its nukes that sort of attention is more than enough. by importing oil on deffered payments and delayed payments and getting extensions we cannot give Saudis nuke umbrella yes we would give them if they support Pakistan similarly as US supports Israel paying them billions of dollars annually.

 

[Al-zakir]

If some how Pakistan offer the Nuke umbrella to Bd and if Bd accept the offer than whole dynamic of SA will changed. Pak will have air and naval base in Bd and therefor we shall once again rule the south Asia just like Mughal. Greater Pak-Bangla will be verge of making. I know it's a dream but one must dream to implement better tomorrow.

Pak-Bangla military union is demand of the time and we shall act upon with greater ambition.....

 

[idune]

BN is going to procure Type-209 Attack Submarines. It was decided earlier during the tenure of the last government, so after coming to power AL will not go all the way to glorify themselves by repeating statements made several years ago and process that have already been undertaken.

Submarine, one of most complicated and time consuming platform. Sub procurement requires extensive planning, strategy, base, maintenance and training of crew. It takes many years going from planning stage to full operational force. Not to mention prohibitingly expensive for a country like ours. Having said that any sub platform we buy we should consider mostly our future needs than a present one. When I say future needs I mean a platform that can meet requirements and serve national interest and strategy for next 15-20 years and beyond.

Considering future needs and money we have to spend type U-209 would not be good, prudent and efficient choice. There are several reasons:

One, India our most potent enemy, operate U-209 for many years. It would be foolish decision to acquire a platform that enemy knows very well about.

Two, U209 is an old platform. In face of increasingly advance sub and surface Indian fleet, usability and effectiveness U-209 would be very little if any.

Three, considering money, time and future requirements U-209 would not fit our requirements rather U-214 would make more sense and would meet all our needs.

Four, Pakistan is in final stage of procuring U214 platform. If Bangladesh procures U-214, scope for technical assistance and knowledge sharing are huge and perhaps cost of procurement could be reduced.

Bangladesh had done quite a bit of work in planning, crew training and even base work. But I have not heard of any firm information on procurement of U-209. Hope decision is made considering, our future needs, our enemy and our future national interest, NOT what is cheap. Besides, we can not compete with numbe,r so we have to compete in quality and strategy.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Al-Zakir that is what the West don't want to see or being implemented and that is why Big Game by west is going on as well regarding this weak govt has been installed in Pakistan already..Had Musharraf ruled a little longer we could have seen some out of the box new breaking news.

 

[leonblack08]

If the military is pushing this I hope it is not a follow-up of the defence agreements that Gen. Moin made with the Indians otherwise we will have to purchase this stuff from them and they will also provide the maintenance and spare parts. That is not a good situation to be in.

There were many factors for Sheikh Mujib's assassination and one of them was humiliation of the army by the creation of the Rakkhi Bahini and distrust from the military. I have even heard that his son Russel used to abuse army officers with vulgar language so think how the rest of that family behaved. Hopefully Shiekh Hasina will not make the same mistake but she will probably end up being assassinated by the Indians and replaced with Rehena.

Russel was a child when he was assassinated.You are talking about other son's.Yes I heard that too.They misused their power and status and maligned their Father's name,through their misdeeds.

It is not new for Hasina to purchase things.Last time she brought Mig-29s which are the backbone of BAF.The Ulsan Class frigate she brought is one of the best in South Asia.Hope she continues the trend.

 

[leonblack08]

Submarine, one of most complicated and time consuming platform. Sub procurement requires extensive planning, strategy, base, maintenance and training of crew. It takes many years going from planning stage to full operational force. Not to mention prohibitingly expensive for a country like ours. Having said that any sub platform we buy we should consider mostly our future needs than a present one. When I say future needs I mean a platform that can meet requirements and serve national interest and strategy for next 15-20 years and beyond.

Considering future needs and money we have to spend type U-209 would not be good, prudent and efficient choice. There are several reasons:

One, India our most potent enemy, operate U-209 for many years. It would be foolish decision to acquire a platform that enemy knows very well about.

Two, U209 is an old platform. In face of increasingly advance sub and surface Indian fleet, usability and effectiveness U-209 would be very little if any.

Three, considering money, time and future requirements U-209 would not fit our requirements rather U-214 would make more sense and would meet all our needs.

Four, Pakistan is in final stage of procuring U214 platform. If Bangladesh procures U-214, scope for technical assistance and knowledge sharing are huge and perhaps cost of procurement could be reduced.

Bangladesh had done quite a bit of work in planning, crew training and even base work. But I have not heard of any firm information on procurement of U-209. Hope decision is made considering, our future needs, our enemy and our future national interest, NOT what is cheap. Besides, we can not compete with numbe,r so we have to compete in quality and strategy.

Is U-214 economically possible for Bangladesh?How much does it cost?
It would be good choice for another reason,TURKEY.We have good military ties with them as well.

 

[IceCold]

Icecold why should we provide nuke umbrella to Saudi Arab and why not Bangladesh care to elaborate?? just to counter ur argument when the new King of Arabia goes to India calling India as its second home got my point..Pakistan has already got world attention what sort of attention are you talking about so much attention has been given that west is talking about nukes going into the hands of Militants and Pakistan is weak and can't control its nukes that sort of attention is more than enough. by importing oil on deffered payments and delayed payments and getting extensions we cannot give Saudis nuke umbrella yes we would give them if they support Pakistan similarly as US supports Israel paying them billions of dollars annually.

We don't provide Saudi Arabia with a nuclear umbrella because of our love for the Arabs or perhaps as you suggested deferred payments for oil but for a very simple reason and that is because it is a holy city for the whole of Muslim ummah. The same does not stand for any other country. Moreover if Pakistan has got the world attention, that does not mean we need to increase it even more, i'm sure you must be aware of the word Islamic bomb and the rest of the world is paranoid with the Islamic bomb concept, where do you think it will lead us to once we start providing nuclear umbrella to every other country in the name of brother hood.Think
And one more thing why does BD need a nuclear umbrella and against whom?

 

[IceCold]

If some how Pakistan offer the Nuke umbrella to Bd and if Bd accept the offer than whole dynamic of SA will changed. Pak will have air and naval base in Bd and therefor we shall once again rule the south Asia just like Mughal. Greater Pak-Bangla will be verge of making. I know it's a dream but one must dream to implement better tomorrow.

Pak-Bangla military union is demand of the time and we shall act upon with greater ambition.....

Please! Pakistan does not have enough means or assets to develop naval and air bases in other countries. How do you think we are going to support them financially?