Bangladesh: Away from the city

[bluesky]

If you don't like it than stop making idiotic posts on PDF and needlessly drag Pakistan to attract attentions, let little bit positive views Pakistanis have about Bangladesh there.

Why are you insisting people not to talk about Pakistan? Is it such a Holy Land? Come up with better information that proves your generals are doing better there. Here is also the Indian data that @Gibbs forgot to send. Now, compare it and BD data with your militarist country instead of doing as usual Gibat on Bangladesh.

Do hard work as we have been doing since 1971 after we kicked your military out, and come again with good results after twenty years to talk equally with us. A thousand curse on BD will not give your country any extra mileage. So, stop pretending macho.

https://data.unicef.org/country/ind/

 

[bluesky]

He mentioned as "best in south asia".

It may have been a little exaggeration. It is the same with everyone. But, the reality remains that BD has been continuously improving on childbirth mortality. Even most of the village women go to maternity clinics when childbirth. It is not an easy feat for a country that remains poor.

The number of childbirth itself has been reduced, that may be another reason for the reduced number. Also, it was almost invariably another pregnancy in about two to three months after childbirth. In the old-time villages, the superstitious mothers-in-law would ask the new mothers to live/sleep in a smoky unhygienic small room for 40 days.

Now it is so different and it is more different than the two superstitious Taleban countries in the west of India.

 

[Nilgiri]

It may have been a little exaggeration. It is the same with everyone. But, the reality remains that BD has been continuously improving on childbirth mortality. Even most of the village women go to maternity clinics when childbirth. It is not an easy feat for a country that remains poor.

The number of childbirth itself has been reduced, that may be another reason for the reduced number. Also, it was almost invariably another pregnancy in about two to three months after childbirth. In the old-time villages, the superstitious mothers-in-law would ask the new mothers to live/sleep in a smoky unhygienic small room for 40 days.

Now it is so different and it is more different than the two superstitious Taleban countries in the west of India.

All I am saying is if any country is so confident about itself compared to another, just give the time for the difference to really manifest undoubtedly (where you do not need a govt data to claim this and that as a few % better or whatever).

Say about 10 - 20 years from now.

I do not question that Bangladesh has achieved much, is achieving much now, and will achieve much more in years to come....in basic social development (90% ppl concerned), frontier economy (10% ppl concerned) and everything contained as some combo of both.

BUT soft power + credibility is beyond a particular govt to dictate (and for netizens to then start bickering about to chest thump somewhere), esp one in such corrupt region broadly.

Hence I simply say let it materialise in the broadest way possible, that will take time because the region "big 3" countries (Ind, Pak, BD) especially are in some important inflection points (for different reasons and in different ways) that will chart out the actual credible "hard" reality (off the govt-sensitive paper output) only some time from now.

Some stuff already materialising now, but marathon is long is all I am saying....so no big point spending too much time on it and that too betting so bitter/toxic.

If things are supposedly in relative motion now, just let it bloom with sustained distance later that no one (or very few) can deny. Its really that simple.

 

[fallstuff]

Don't let the trolls hijack the thread. I would like to talk objectively about these threads as I did a decent amount of travelling in BD in the last 5 years, but it will just end in troll land.
It is interesting to see the transformation in fish stock sector. Almost all the wetlands, ponds, lakes, and canals turned into mini fisheries.

 

[Sugarcane]

Why are you insisting people not to talk about Pakistan? Is it such a Holy Land? Come up with better information that proves your generals are doing better there. Here is also the Indian data that @Gibbs forgot to send. Now, compare it and BD data with your militarist country instead of doing as usual Gibat on Bangladesh.

Do hard work as we have been doing since 1971 after we kicked your military out, and come again with good results after twenty years to talk equally with us. A thousand curse on BD will not give your country any extra mileage. So, stop pretending macho.

https://data.unicef.org/country/ind/

First of all, I have said numerous times that Bangladesh economically & HDI should have been doing a lot better than Pakistan & India because from three sides you are surrounded by India, Bangladesh's creator, ally, protector and big market, no other country is waged overt/covert war on Bangladesh. So, you don't have to worry and spend on your defense which provided you huge saving and almost 5 decades to focus on your economic and human development, considering the time and opportunity you got the performance isn't that much that you start claiming to be economic super power like your compatriots try to portray. Over that figures given by your government aren't trustworthy for us to begin with.

On other hand in our east, we have dispute over J&K with India since partition (Although hypocrite Bongs now side with India over it but dispute was there between 1947-71 as well when your forefathers were east Pakistanis). On our western front, Afghanistan didn't recognize Pakistan and tried to invade Pakistan to annex KP and Tribal areas, We had troubled relations with delusional Afghans who still think territory till Indus is there and have to deal with proxies, later on soviet invasion, civil war, US invasion in Afghanistan. Iran since revolution have it's own agenda of expanding it's influence which we have to deal with. So, geographic and geopolitical factors for Pakistan have been tough but still till "War on Terror" Pakistan's GDP per captia was higher than India, We are at war for about two decades which have taken toll on our economy, so any comparison under this circumstances is comparing orange with banana. As we have improved our security situation, give us few years to recover than we will see where we stand.

Finally, the poster talk about Islamisation. Well, factually it was Bongs who introduced religious political card in subcontinent. As far as Pakistan is concerned, we have realized the mess it create although had to pay hefty price but we are on track to root it out. However opportunists bongs in general were using religion just as tactic for their interests so it was easy for them to ditch it as per will, but that's not the case in Pakistan. So, it will take little longer.

 

[bluesky]

First of all, I have said numerous times that Bangladesh economically & HDI should have been doing a lot better than Pakistan & India because from three sides you are surrounded by India, Bangladesh's creator, ally, protector and big market, no other country is waged overt/covert war on Bangladesh.

Why do you guys bicker about India when we the Bengali Muslims are the Creator of Pakistan? Stop your ugly nonsense all the time. It seems the ingrates like you cannot love their own Creator. You should kowtow the Bengali Muslims who took you out of the Sikh clutches.

So, you don't have to worry and spend on your defense which provided you huge saving and almost 5 decades to focus on your economic and human development, considering the time and opportunity you got the performance isn't that much that you start claiming to be economic super power like your compatriots try to portray. Over that figures given by your government aren't trustworthy for us to begin with.

Now, why do you blame others for making Pakistan full of warmongering rhetorics? It was done by your generals and political leaders. Did India fight you or your generals fought against India? We are not an economic superpower nor we will be. But, we do not support warmonger generals who would send Taliban to the neighboring countries and create chaos.

Better you rectify your attitudes towards your neighbors, learn to love peace and go after economic development. You took $95 billion loans from foreign sources that you are unable to pay back. There is another $32 billion American alms.

So, when are you going to capture Indian Kashmir? Can you do it? Your current pragmatic PM wants peace talks with India. Seems, India is not responding to it. So, keep on borrowing and spending more on the military and make it invincible. After all, you are very famous with atom bombs. Why shy away from throwing one or two to show you are a world military superpower?

 

[UKBengali]

First of all, I have said numerous times that Bangladesh economically & HDI should have been doing a lot better than Pakistan & India because from three sides you are surrounded by India, Bangladesh's creator, ally, protector and big market, no other country is waged overt/covert war on Bangladesh. So, you don't have to worry and spend on your defense which provided you huge saving and almost 5 decades to focus on your economic and human development, considering the time and opportunity you got the performance isn't that much that you start claiming to be economic super power like your compatriots try to portray. Over that figures given by your government aren't trustworthy for us to begin with.

On other hand in our east, we have dispute over J&K with India since partition (Although hypocrite Bongs now side with India over it but dispute was there between 1947-71 as well when your forefathers were east Pakistanis). On our western front, Afghanistan didn't recognize Pakistan and tried to invade Pakistan to annex KP and Tribal areas, We had troubled relations with delusional Afghans who still think territory till Indus is there and have to deal with proxies, later on soviet invasion, civil war, US invasion in Afghanistan. Iran since revolution have it's own agenda of expanding it's influence which we have to deal with. So, geographic and geopolitical factors for Pakistan have been tough but still till "War on Terror" Pakistan's GDP per captia was higher than India, We are at war for about two decades which have taken toll on our economy, so any comparison under this circumstances is comparing orange with banana. As we have improved our security situation, give us few years to recover than we will see where we stand.

Finally, the poster talk about Islamisation. Well, factually it was Bongs who introduced religious political card in subcontinent. As far as Pakistan is concerned, we have realized the mess it create although had to pay hefty price but we are on track to root it out. However opportunists bongs in general were using religion just as tactic for their interests so it was easy for them to ditch it as per will, but that's not the case in Pakistan. So, it will take little longer.

Dude, BD started it's development 24 years behind India and Pakistan.
It has now surpassed Pakistan and hot on the trail of India.
Just because Pakistan and India have achieved very little economically in 7 decades of independence does not mean that BD cannot do much better.

 

[Sugarcane]

Why do you guys bicker about India when we the Bengali Muslims are the Creator of Pakistan? Stop your ugly nonsense all the time. It seems the ingrates like you cannot love their own Creator. You should kowtow the Bengali Muslims who took you out of the Sikh clutches.

Bangladesh was India's project which she executed successfully and we admit our defeat, that's fact even if it hurt your egos. Rulers used to come and go, it doesn't make any different. Bongs joined hands with British invaders against Punjab state later on soldiers from former Punjab state (Pashtuns, Punjabi Muslims and Sikhs together) beaten hell out of them when they tried to rebel against new found lord they supported in taking down Punjab state - That's also fact. So, keep your ugly nonsense confined to you if you want to be respected.

Now, why do you blame others for making Pakistan full of warmongering rhetorics? It was done by your generals and political leaders

Abay dhakan, When I blamed others for Pakistan's problem. I simply try to explain that you can't compare economic performance of country with minimal defense needs and enjoying peace for 5 decades with country who is at war for two decades. But looks like it's too difficult for your small brain to process.

We are not an economic superpower nor we will be.

Good for you, go and compare yourself with economic superpowers.

But, we do not support warmonger generals who would send Taliban to the neighboring countries and create chaos.

It wasn't Pakistan (Even your opportunists forefathers were part of it at that time) but Afghanistan who started interfering in Pakistan and started proxy war. We simply supported the fraction which was less hostile towards us just like your dad India supported northern alliance.

Better you rectify your attitudes towards your neighbors, learn to love peace and go after economic development.

Relations are two way street, J&K is a dispute which is recognized by UN where India is equally responsible to peacefully resolve the dispute. We don't have any claim on any part of Afghan territory, neither we started hostilities with Afghanistan, It's Afghans have to start respecting border and stop corroborating against Pakistan, and Iran have to stop seeking sectarian influence. As far as Bangladesh is concern it's not our neighbor nor we bother what happens there as long as Bongs don't drag us needlessly.

You took $95 billion loans from foreign sources that you are unable to pay back. There is another $32 billion American alms.

First of all, Pakistan is not the only country who take loans in world, and paying back debts is concern of Pakistan or lenders. You are nobody in it. US paid price for using our infrastructure and logistics support for their campaign, it was not free lunch. And Bangladesh also receive almas like all other developing and under developed countries, so talk about it when you stop taking foreign aids and trade assistances being least developed country.

So, when are you going to capture Indian Kashmir? Can you do it? Your current pragmatic PM wants peace talks with India. Seems, India is not responding to it. So, keep on borrowing and spending more on the military and make it invincible. After all, you are very famous with atom bombs. Why shy away from throwing one or two to show you are a world military superpower?

Kashmir is our problem, we will keep trying for it till end of times. How we deal with India is between India & Pakistan and how we finance our defense needs is also none of your concern, your role is just to toe the line of mainland whose satellite state you are.

Dude, BD started it's development 24 years behind India and Pakistan.
It has now surpassed Pakistan and hot on the trail of India.
Just because Pakistan and India have achieved very little economically in 7 decades of independence does not mean that BD cannot do much better.

Good for Bangladesh, But as mentioned the opportunity to develop peacefully which Bangladesh got - It should have been lot better than India & Pakistan. 5 Decades are not less time, look how china focused on economy only and progressed during same time period.

 

[UKBengali]

Good for Bangladesh, But as mentioned the opportunity to develop peacefully which Bangladesh got - It should have been lot better than India & Pakistan. 5 Decades are not less time, look how china focused on economy only and progressed during same time period.

No China is not the same case. The differences are:

1. China had access for a couple of decades after 1949 to massive Soviet assistance to build up it's industry.

2. After it fell out with Soviet Union, it was courted by the USA and then was given preferential access to the US market to allow it to develop in order to better counter USSR - geopolitics of the cold war.

3. China had both Taiwan and Hong Kong that transferred money and tech as FDI into mainland China.

If BD had all these ingredients then it would be at least as successful as China, if not more so.

BD now has GDP 15% larger than Pakistan with 20% less population. It is growing at 8% a year and rising while Pakistan is at 3% and falling. Sorry BD is on the way up and needs 1-2 decades to become potentially the first of the big 3 S Asia countries to reach middle-income status as Indian growth has just fallen again to less than 7%.

I think the big difference with BD is that it is homogenous and the central government is all powerful and can dictate policy without having to take other ethnic groups into account. Yes it spends less on defence than Pakistan but Pakistan has far more resources(hydroelectric, arable land etc) which makes up for this.

 

[bluesky]

Bangladesh was India's project which she executed successfully and we admit our defeat, that's fact even if it hurt your egos.

No, it was not. But, Pakistan was our project and we kicked out our western part successfully. That is also our project.

BD itself has become a success story. Sorry, we have smashed your macho ego. Think of our agriculture and textile developments. You are nothing in front of us. Sorry to hurt your ego. Now, talk about agriculture and rural development in this thread instead of derailing it. People are complaining.

 

[Sugarcane]

No, it was not. But, Pakistan was our project and we kicked out our western part successfully. That is also our project. .

LOL... You were struggling for decades since you started playing religious card, in 1940 we decided to make Pakistan and got one in 7 years (Bangladesh we got as spare tire).

BD itself has become a success story. Sorry, we have smashed your macho ego. Think of our agriculture and textile developments. You are nothing in front of us. Sorry to hurt your ego. Now, talk about agriculture and rural development in this thread instead of derailing it. People are complaining.

It's none of my concern even if you become Switzerland or Japan, nor I am interested in your progress or short comings. It's your compatriots who deliberately drag Pakistan to draw intentions otherwise threads regarding Bangladesh don't exceed few posts - that's how much others care about Bangladesh.

 

[Sine Nomine]

You should kowtow the Bengali Muslims who took you out of the Sikh clutches.

Which one?

 

[bluesky]

LOL... You were struggling for decades since you started playing religious card, in 1940 we decided to make Pakistan and got one in 7 years (Bangladesh we got as spare tire).

Stupid, first learn who had the power and acceptance by the entire Muslim community to declare Lahore Resolution on 23 March 1940. It was Sher-e-Bangal A. K. Fazlul Haq, the then Chief Minister of united Bengal who had this power and prestige in the entire India. Learn to respect him as well as the Muslim Bengalis who supported Pakistan by sending him to Lahore.

Read the history and know who was ruling in Quetta, Karachi, Lahore, and Peshawar in 1940? They were all either Sikhs or Congresspeople. Now, you guys claim you are the father of Pakistan, bloody idiot!! We saved you from being annihilated by the Sikhs.

Bloody ingrate group of superstitious people!! Learn to respect Bengalis. We have again become superior to your country by deed of our hard work and not by war, killings and rapes that you are so expert in doing. Lakho lanat on you, bloody shameless people. You are a shame to the Muslims. You killed Kashmiris and raped their women in 1948 as well. This curse is all in your DNA.

Now, do not derail the thread. Talk agriculture.

 

[bluesky]

It wasn't Pakistan (Even your opportunists forefathers were part of it at that time) but Afghanistan who started interfering in Pakistan and started proxy war. We simply supported the fraction which was less hostile towards us just like your dad India supported northern alliance.

But, who trained and sent Taliban to Afghanistan? Read the history to know how your obsession with Kashmir had caused you to do this. Taliban would take over Kabul with Pakistani help and in retrospect, they would assist you to conquer Kashmir.

You failed in both counts. Now, you are counting your heavy debts. However, Kashmiris are happy not to see the most heinous group of rapists and killers coming there to save Islam. What a hypocrite bunch of people you are!!

Why don't you guys send your Army for aid of Indian Army for mounting an attack on Evil Pakistan.Indians are your daddies,when i see your lot even abusing them i am just amazed that a person can be so low,they are the one who made your state.

Oh!! Sending our military to India's western front may be in the card of our politicians that I do not know. But, will it be unusual to fight in your own land? This is what you did on our land in 1971. However, in a war, the best option for the BD military is not to move out of the Cantonments to the border that will cause India to take all its troops to its west. Anyway, for now, we are busy in protecting two Holy Cities in SA.

It should not anger you if a reciprocal thing happens in the future in a tit for tat action. But, I believe India is far superior to your jargonistic army. Indian army will just spread along the long border to reach Gujrat-Sindh zone instead of concentrating in Kashmir that will thin out your troops along this long line.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Oh!! Sending our military to India's western front may be in the card of our politicians that I do not know. But, will it be unusual to fight in your own land? This is what you did on our land in 1971. However, in a war, the best option for the BD military is not to move out of the Cantonments to the border that will cause India to take all its troops to its west. Anyway, for now, we are busy in protecting two Holy Cities in SA.

Yes yes not only holy sites but also White house and Kremlin.
Not your land,that was East Pakistan and we are fighting terrorists,when they failed their backers attacked already worn out Army.

It should not anger you if a reciprocal thing happens in the future in a tit for tat action. But, I believe India is far superior to your jargonistic army. Indian army will just spread along the long border to reach Gujrat-Sindh zone instead of concentrating in Kashmir that will thin out your troops along this long line.

We don't have any Army,we have just just got a rag tag militia known as Pakistan Army which falls in top ten forces in many margins.
Why don't you go and tell this to Indians,they would like to hear your bongo strategy.