Bangladesh army unhappy with Chinese tanks with Ukrainian engines

[Kamil_baku]

The Bangladesh army, which purchased Chinese main Tanks VT-1A, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2.


Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, problems arose with Ukrainian engines, and obtaining high-quality spare parts for repair is impossible due to the ban imposed by Ukraine on the re-export of 6TD-2 engines and spare parts to China by China.

According to some reports, the required power density is not provided, especially in operating conditions at medium altitudes.

The thing is that when the Chinese brought the VT-1A tank to the world market, they chose the Ukrainian engine, since they were equipped with Pakistani Al-Khalid tanks, which are, in fact, the same VT-1A, produced in Pakistan under a Chinese license with insignificant modernization. That is, the 6TD-2 unit has been worked out.

They predicted a good future for the Chinese tank in the export market, China managed to sign contracts for its supply to Bangladesh, Morocco and was going to supply a batch of tanks to Peru. However, in this country the interests of China and Ukraine crossed, which tried to sell its "Oplot" to the Peruvians. The Chinese tank won the tender, in response to this Kiev banned the re-export of its 6TD-2 engines.

In this regard, the supply of spare parts for these engines also stopped. Currently, Chinese specialists are developing their own engine to replace the Ukrainian one, which will be installed on export vehicles.

Bangladesh army unhappy with Chinese tanks with Ukrainian engines

The Bangladesh army, which purchased the Chinese VT-1A main tanks, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2. Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, there were...

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[Michael Corleone]

The Bangladesh army, which purchased Chinese main Tanks VT-1A, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2.


Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, problems arose with Ukrainian engines, and obtaining high-quality spare parts for repair is impossible due to the ban imposed by Ukraine on the re-export of 6TD-2 engines and spare parts to China by China.

According to some reports, the required power density is not provided, especially in operating conditions at medium altitudes.

The thing is that when the Chinese brought the VT-1A tank to the world market, they chose the Ukrainian engine, since they were equipped with Pakistani Al-Khalid tanks, which are, in fact, the same VT-1A, produced in Pakistan under a Chinese license with insignificant modernization. That is, the 6TD-2 unit has been worked out.

They predicted a good future for the Chinese tank in the export market, China managed to sign contracts for its supply to Bangladesh, Morocco and was going to supply a batch of tanks to Peru. However, in this country the interests of China and Ukraine crossed, which tried to sell its "Oplot" to the Peruvians. The Chinese tank won the tender, in response to this Kiev banned the re-export of its 6TD-2 engines.

In this regard, the supply of spare parts for these engines also stopped. Currently, Chinese specialists are developing their own engine to replace the Ukrainian one, which will be installed on export vehicles.

Bangladesh army unhappy with Chinese tanks with Ukrainian engines

The Bangladesh army, which purchased the Chinese VT-1A main tanks, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2. Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, there were...

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Donno how much of it engine part is true, ukraine is at a higher level than Bangladesh, and tanks here have no problem with the same engine. It much be chalked upto spares issue. Too bad when they go to buy stuff they want to cheap out wherever possible, this is the result.

 

[krash]

The Bangladesh army, which purchased Chinese main Tanks VT-1A, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2.


Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, problems arose with Ukrainian engines, and obtaining high-quality spare parts for repair is impossible due to the ban imposed by Ukraine on the re-export of 6TD-2 engines and spare parts to China by China.

According to some reports, the required power density is not provided, especially in operating conditions at medium altitudes.

The thing is that when the Chinese brought the VT-1A tank to the world market, they chose the Ukrainian engine, since they were equipped with Pakistani Al-Khalid tanks, which are, in fact, the same VT-1A, produced in Pakistan under a Chinese license with insignificant modernization. That is, the 6TD-2 unit has been worked out.

They predicted a good future for the Chinese tank in the export market, China managed to sign contracts for its supply to Bangladesh, Morocco and was going to supply a batch of tanks to Peru. However, in this country the interests of China and Ukraine crossed, which tried to sell its "Oplot" to the Peruvians. The Chinese tank won the tender, in response to this Kiev banned the re-export of its 6TD-2 engines.

In this regard, the supply of spare parts for these engines also stopped. Currently, Chinese specialists are developing their own engine to replace the Ukrainian one, which will be installed on export vehicles.

Bangladesh army unhappy with Chinese tanks with Ukrainian engines

The Bangladesh army, which purchased the Chinese VT-1A main tanks, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2. Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, there were...

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The VT-1A has a Chinese engine not a Ukrainian one. The MBT-2000 and Al-Khalid have the KMDB 6TD-2 engines from Ukraine. I believe Bangladesh has MBT-2000s not VT-1A's.


Regardless, Pakistan uses the exact same engines in the Al-Khalid and seems to have been pretty satisfied with them.

they were equipped with Pakistani Al-Khalid tanks, which are, in fact, the same VT-1A, produced in Pakistan under a Chinese license with insignificant modernization.

The source clearly does not know what it is talking about....

 

[Michael Corleone]

6TD 2 engine has good HP but weak torque output so I reckon Bangladesh getting Chinese copies of the engine must have made it worse and bd terrain...

 

[bluesky]

In this regard, the supply of spare parts for these engines also stopped. Currently, Chinese specialists are developing their own engine to replace the Ukrainian one, which will be installed on export vehicles.

So, the talented people of Bangladesh that we see so many in the PDF should design and manufacture the equivalent engines, not exact copies, in the country.

 

[Jernail Sahib]

MBTs (heavy/medium) are largely useless in Bangladesh as they will get bogged down due to terrain in most parts.

Better divert the money towards fully mechanising infantry and attack helicopters.

 

[Beast]

The Bangladesh army, which purchased Chinese main Tanks VT-1A, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2.


Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, problems arose with Ukrainian engines, and obtaining high-quality spare parts for repair is impossible due to the ban imposed by Ukraine on the re-export of 6TD-2 engines and spare parts to China by China.

According to some reports, the required power density is not provided, especially in operating conditions at medium altitudes.

The thing is that when the Chinese brought the VT-1A tank to the world market, they chose the Ukrainian engine, since they were equipped with Pakistani Al-Khalid tanks, which are, in fact, the same VT-1A, produced in Pakistan under a Chinese license with insignificant modernization. That is, the 6TD-2 unit has been worked out.

They predicted a good future for the Chinese tank in the export market, China managed to sign contracts for its supply to Bangladesh, Morocco and was going to supply a batch of tanks to Peru. However, in this country the interests of China and Ukraine crossed, which tried to sell its "Oplot" to the Peruvians. The Chinese tank won the tender, in response to this Kiev banned the re-export of its 6TD-2 engines.

In this regard, the supply of spare parts for these engines also stopped. Currently, Chinese specialists are developing their own engine to replace the Ukrainian one, which will be installed on export vehicles.

Bangladesh army unhappy with Chinese tanks with Ukrainian engines

The Bangladesh army, which purchased the Chinese VT-1A main tanks, was unhappy with the purchase. The main claims are made against the tank engine - the Ukrainian 6TD-2. Bangladesh purchased 44 Chinese tanks equipped with a 6TD-2 engine. Reportedly, during the operation of the tanks, there were...

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Fake source. It's didn't explain how Bangladesh is unsatisfactory and what kind of problem. We always see this kind of unanthentic sources spring up and spread rumour.

Think about it. One bitten , twice shy. But why Bangladesh recently ink the deal for VT-5 new tank if they have this bad experience?

Bangladesh receives the first batch of Chinese VT5 light tanks | Janomot

Janomot report: The first batch of Chinese VT5 light tanks was delivered to Bangladesh. Its configuration is higher than China’s own light tanks.According

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Obviously, Bangladesh are happy with Chinese tank. If not, they will not go for VT-5.

 

[Bilal9]

The VT-1A has a Chinese engine not a Ukrainian one. The MBT-2000 and Al-Khalid have the KMDB 6TD-2 engines from Ukraine. I believe Bangladesh has MBT-2000s not VT-1A's.


Regardless, Pakistan uses the exact same engines in the Al-Khalid and seems to have been pretty satisfied with them.




The source clearly does not know what it is talking about....

Like some others said it could be a spares issue or suitability with local conditions.

Bangladesh weather (high humidity) and the Army's engine maintenance regimes could be factors.

Boxer engines have higher energy density and require more careful upkeep - this is a typical problem with Porsches and Subarus, which use Boxer type engines as well. It all started with the VW Bug which used a flat four Boxer engine, but that was VERY reliable (and air-cooled).

The 6TD-2 Ukrainian engine for the Bangladeshi MBT-2000 is a Turbo-Diesel with extremely high compression to produce the 1200 HP power output. Which makes careful and more frequent maintenance a must. Moreover the design is a complicated reverse Boxer with six cylinders and twelve pistons (two pistons per cylinder working in opposed fashion).

Currently, Chinese specialists are developing their own engine to replace the Ukrainian one, which will be installed on export vehicles.

That is the final chapter of this story. Something made in China itself, which can be reasonably maintained and supported with easily obtainable Chinese spares.

 

[Bilal9]

6TD 2 engine has good HP but weak torque output so I reckon Bangladesh getting Chinese copies of the engine must have made it worse and bd terrain...

Were the MBT-2000 tanks supplied with Ukrainian engines or Chinese copies? Still confused.

If HP is higher, then you can use lower gearing in transmission to produce higher torque, I'm sure transmission is automatic and so is the torque converter to prevent clutch slippage.

 

[fallstuff]

Like some others said it could be a spares issue or suitability with local conditions.

Bangladesh weather (high humidity) and the Army's engine maintenance regimes could be factors.

Boxer engines have higher energy density and require more careful upkeep - this is a typical problem with Porsches and Subarus, which use Boxer type engines as well. It all started with the VW Bug which used a flat four Boxer engine, but that was VERY reliable (and air-cooled).

The 6TD-2 Ukrainian engine for the Bangladeshi MBT-2000 is a Turbo-Diesel with extremely high compression to produce the 1200 HP power output. Which makes careful and more frequent maintenance a must. Moreover the design is a complicated reverse Boxer with six cylinders and twelve pistons (two pistons per cylinder working in opposed fashion).

That is the final chapter of this story. Something made in China itself, which can be reasonably maintained and supported with easily obtainable Chinese spares.

I don't think you know about Subaru's legendary reliability !

Porches engines these days are pretty reliable.

 

[Bilal9]

I don't think you know about Subaru's legendary reliability !

Porches engines these days are pretty reliable.

You are right.

Subaru copied the flat four and flat-six design of early air-cooled VW's and Porsches. In early times they required more maintenance, the bugs were worked out in two/three decades with design changes.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Were the MBT-2000 tanks supplied with Ukrainian engines or Chinese copies? Still confused.

If HP is higher, then you can use lower gearing in transmission to produce higher torque, I'm sure transmission is automatic and so is the torque converter to prevent clutch slippage.

You can tune it for 1300 hp but peak torque is 3200nm where’s leopard for ex has 4700nm for ex every other tank has around 4000nm

I reckon Bangladesh bought it with Chinese copy of the engine since we got VT1 not even the newest variant of the tank. So probably destined in every expects

MBTs (heavy/medium) are largely useless in Bangladesh as they will get bogged down due to terrain in most parts.

Better divert the money towards fully mechanising infantry and attack helicopters.

Tell that to the 50+ tons Japanese tanks. There’s a lot more than weight to make that call

I don't think you know about Subaru's legendary reliability !

Porches engines these days are pretty reliable.

I don’t recall Porsche reliability issues even back in the air cooled days

 

[Dark1]

Why did Bangladesh choose Ukrainian engines and not Chinese ones for their tanks ?

 

[razgriz19]

I think it's just poor translation.
From what i gathered, it says they're having issues because China cannot provide them engine spare parts. I don't understand why Bangladesh wouldn't approach Ukraine directly for spare parts.

The VT-1A has a Chinese engine not a Ukrainian one. The MBT-2000 and Al-Khalid have the KMDB 6TD-2 engines from Ukraine. I believe Bangladesh has MBT-2000s not VT-1A's.


Regardless, Pakistan uses the exact same engines in the Al-Khalid and seems to have been pretty satisfied with them.




The source clearly does not know what it is talking about....

 

[Michael Corleone]

I think it's just poor translation.
From what i gathered, it says they're having issues because China cannot provide them engine spare parts. I don't understand why Bangladesh wouldn't approach Ukraine directly for spare parts.

Because they’re not oem engines