Bangladesh Air Force

[Avicenna]

Look bengaldeshi are not traitors they love their country
Bengaldesh like most of world is also not focused on wars as its neighbour(on ALL sides, bar small area of myanmar) is india which is very friendly with bengaldesh

So bengladesh doesnt need an airforce hence you will see nothing happening

China russia usa sweden france..we have brought stuff from all of them recently..so dont know what screwed means..pakistan would have probably bought f16, typhoon if china had nothing to offer ..both available for now..india is growing..one day it will big enough for it to block acess of weapons to pakistan (may be china will still be open) ..same is true for bengladesh..india will likley block weapons..bar china ...

But point is bengladesh and india are strong allies and bengladesh hence doesnt need weapons therefore has the lowest gdp spending on defense

Eh, no.

A couple of points:

Bangladesh can not take for granted its security.

Myanmar is openly hostile, with actions if not words.

India is a PM Yogi away from turning on Bangladesh.

I used to think Bangladesh was in a relatively safe neighborhood but I was wrong.

If BAF had any sort of real capability, Myanmar could not have done what they did in 2017.

Also, Switzerland is neutral and has for neighbors NATO nations. (safe neighborhood)

And yet they just bought the F-35.

So yea, Bangladesh needs an air force.

As for Pakistan:

We saw what happened post 1989.

During the 90's I feared for you guys considering the US embargo and lack of options.

And lets be honest, Pakistan is perceived unfavorably vis a vis India during this time and until recently somewhat.

So your options were limited.

Forget, F-16s, Typhoons, Rafales, Gripens or anything else from the West.

Russian options were unobtainable due to India.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) would love to hear your thoughts regarding Pakistani options during this time period.

If it wasn't for FC-1/JF-17, what would have been the plan?

Probably soldier on with whatever you had.

If push came to shove, maybe buy F-8M or JH-7.

Yea, if not for the success of JF-17, Pakistan was SCREWED.

Again count your blessings the Chinese were able to do what they did in regards to their aerospace industry and that Russia sold China those RD-93.

As for Bangladeshi expenditure on defense.

Yea, it definitely appears defense is not a priority for Bangladesh.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Again count your blessings the Chinese were able to do what they did in regards to their aerospace industry

Yes you are right.China has really helped us a lot in our aerospace industry.
It has one more aspect.aerospace industry has helped us a lot in designing our nuclear Missiles.Once it was time when our nuclear scientists were copying N.Korean missiles now we have a good pool of aerospace scientists for designing our missiles.aerospace industry is now backbone of our strategic weapons.again thanks to China.only one project brought so much for us

 

[Indos]

In this modern era, flight kinematics have little relevance. Western nations are moving more towards network centric.

Western Jet always tries to distance themselves and pick off enemies from far. Why would any pilot risk going into head to head dog fight?

You forget EW (Electronic Warfare), the more sophisticated EW development then the chance for dog fight using WVR missile and even gutling gun are greater.

F 35 is built where confidence level on BVR missile is very high, but later we understand the ability of EW to dodge missile is getting greater. This is why KF 21/IFX is designed as more agile than F 35

 

[UKBengali]

In this modern era, flight kinematics have little relevance. Western nations are moving more towards network centric.

Western Jet always tries to distance themselves and pick off enemies from far. Why would any pilot risk going into head to head dog fight?

That is not true.

Flight kinematics are still important as missiles need to have the maximum chance of being able to hit their target. The ability of an aircraft to get into optimal firing position counts even for BVR duels and that is where powerful twin-engine fighters like Eurofighter have an advantage over others like F-16.

 

[Michael Corleone]

I'm not suprised.

But these fools need to de-link MRCA with this.

WTF does a pie in the sky air show have to do with MRCA?

For 16 units?

Come on get real.

Get to work BAF and make the deal already.

You are WAY behind Burma.

Have some shame, especially after 2017.

It's like complete imbeciles are in charge.

Waste 100+ millions to host the airshow alone

Only two options
Western f16/gripen
Eastern j10/jf17

Third option: why does even bengaldesh needs an airforce when it has india to protect it

Looks like third option is what we’re going for

 

[Avicenna]

Firstly, there is negligible chance of BVR duel since most BVR missiles are long range.

Rapid maneuver are done to prevent lock-on not escaping locked on missile. AIM-120 can withstand +35G while most fighters puts up with 12 G at most. So they rely primary on Chaffs and EW suites not aircraft kinematics.

Simply put the faster and higher you go and release, the greater the range of the released munition.

 

[UKBengali]

Simply put the faster and higher you go and release, the greater the range of the released munition.

Also speed and manoeuvrability are important in both escaping and being able to dodge BVR missiles.

 

[PoondolotoPandalum]

In this modern era, flight kinematics have little relevance. Western nations are moving more towards network centric.

Western Jet always tries to distance themselves and pick off enemies from far. Why would any pilot risk going into head to head dog fight?

Kinematics will always be relevant as long as air-to-air missiles are deployed.

The range and effective kill-zone of a missile is strongly affected by the speed and altitude of the launch platform. So it's always advantageous to go faster and higher than your enemy when firing a BVR shot. It increases the kill-zone of your missile by quite a lot, due to higher velocity. This becomes important for engaging maneuvering targets. You want your missiles to preserve as much energy as possible

Also, supersonic agility is highly relevant to dodging incoming missiles and pulling off very complex notching maneuvers. Missile seekers use the Karmen filter to predict the velocity of the target (remember velocity is both speed and direction). The higher the velocity delta (speed + direction component), the lower the accuracy of the firing solution generated by the Karman filter. Remember, Missiles don't chase a target (at least not radar-BVR aam's). They fly to where a target is expected to be, as calculated by its inboard computer

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Eh, no.

A couple of points:

Bangladesh can not take for granted its security.

Myanmar is openly hostile, with actions if not words.

India is a PM Yogi away from turning on Bangladesh.

I used to think Bangladesh was in a relatively safe neighborhood but I was wrong.

If BAF had any sort of real capability, Myanmar could not have done what they did in 2017.

Also, Switzerland is neutral and has for neighbors NATO nations. (safe neighborhood)

And yet they just bought the F-35.

So yea, Bangladesh needs an air force.

As for Pakistan:

We saw what happened post 1989.

During the 90's I feared for you guys considering the US embargo and lack of options.

And lets be honest, Pakistan is perceived unfavorably vis a vis India during this time and until recently somewhat.

So your options were limited.

Forget, F-16s, Typhoons, Rafales, Gripens or anything else from the West.

Russian options were unobtainable due to India.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) would love to hear your thoughts regarding Pakistani options during this time period.

If it wasn't for FC-1/JF-17, what would have been the plan?

Probably soldier on with whatever you had.

If push came to shove, maybe buy F-8M or JH-7.

Yea, if not for the success of JF-17, Pakistan was SCREWED.

Again count your blessings the Chinese were able to do what they did in regards to their aerospace industry and that Russia sold China those RD-93.

As for Bangladeshi expenditure on defense.

Yea, it definitely appears defense is not a priority for Bangladesh.

The PAF had the option to collaborate on the J-10 instead of the JF-17. Yes, the J-10 was a higher-risk and more complex project, but the rewards were much higher in terms of fighter performance and, potentially, building R&D capacity in Pakistan. In fact, by ordering the J-10CE, the PAF basically came full-circle.

In the late 1980s, Dassault also offered the PAF the Mirage F-1's production line and a ton of ATAR turbojet engines. There may have been a scenario where the PAF was manufacturing the Mirage F-1 under license and, potentially, upgrade it with the RD-93, modern radar, BVR (R-Darter), SOWs (H-2, H-4, Ra'ad, etc). Sure, not as technically advanced as the JF-17, but we could've had this capability in 1999 during the Kargil conflict. It would've also bought us time to invest in something like the J-10.

However, in the absence of China and a strong economy, our options were basically nil in the 1990s.

 

[Michael Corleone]

The PAF had the option to collaborate on the J-10 instead of the JF-17. Yes, the J-10 was a higher-risk and more complex project, but the rewards were much higher in terms of fighter performance and, potentially, building R&D capacity in Pakistan. In fact, by ordering the J-10CE, the PAF basically came full-circle.

In the late 1980s, Dassault also offered the PAF the Mirage F-1's production line and a ton of ATAR turbojet engines. There may have been a scenario where the PAF was manufacturing the Mirage F-1 under license and, potentially, upgrade it with the RD-93, modern radar, BVR (R-Darter), SOWs (H-2, H-4, Ra'ad, etc). Sure, not as technically advanced as the JF-17, but we could've had this capability in 1999 during the Kargil conflict. It would've also bought us time to invest in something like the J-10.

However, in the absence of China and a strong economy, our options were basically nil in the 1990s.

Pakistan ordered j10CE?

 

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Pakistan ordered j10CE?

More like J10C-P. It's still not announced officially but it's a done deal. With Indian threat looming, we need numbers and more robust capability. JF 17 BLK III needs off-the-self supplementary aircraft asap.

In terms of one of our ex ACM (Sohail Aman), he rated JF 17 (BLK3A?) as 8 and J10 (C) as 8.5.

As for BAF procurement, I shall only say a bird in hand is better than two in the bushes. It takes years to fully operationalize and develop familiarity and tactics with a new platform. And even if you place an order today, it shall take 18 to 24 months, probably more due to COVID situation etc to produce BAF orders.

As a third person, I would dare say Myanmar with 5 yrs of operational experience of 4.5 Gen (JF-17) will fare better than 1 yr operational experience of Bangladesh's 4.5++ new platform. Forget India for now.

BAF should have insitutuional memory (through ex PAF) of the importance of airpower in conflict (1965,71). Unlike Pakistan, which suffered from WoT and natural calamities which disrupted both finances and concentration of inventory, BAF should have fared better.

The good news is, you guys have ample training jets meaning basic and advance flying capability along with large quantity of pilots are available. It takes more time to make a capable pilot than operationalize a new platform. So all is not lost!

 

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Pakistan ordered j10CE?

Unfortunately, due to the our complicated relationship with U.S. IMHO, we have let go of any future potential F-16 procurement.

Can any Bangladeshi who knows Urdu translate the part from 2:42 onwards? Only main points.

Personally, if BAF can get F-16 BLK 70/72, due to different natue and relationship of BAN-US Ties,I would want you guys to go for that. Not Typhoon, Gripen or Rafale.

 

[The Ronin]

Can any Bangladeshi who knows Urdu translate the part from 2:42 onwards?

Easy to understand. If i am not wrong they gave you condition to not to use the F-16 in any offensive. Even asked for an explanation in for February 27 incident.

 

[PDF]

Easy to understand. If i am not wrong they gave you condition to not to use the F-16 in any offensive. Even asked for an explanation in for February 27 incident.

The former is correct, not the latter part. It's just unfortunate for Pakistan and U.S. to have different national interests. We wanted to be neutral and have good relations with both China and West. But when one warmly embraces and understand you while the other shuns you away and pick your achrival (India) as their favorite, it is natural to become closer to the one you get along with.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Unfortunately, due to the our complicated relationship with U.S. IMHO, we have let go of any future potential F-16 procurement.

Can any Bangladeshi who knows Urdu translate the part from 2:42 onwards? Only main points.

Personally, if BAF can get F-16 BLK 70/72, due to different natue and relationship of BAN-US Ties,I would want you guys to go for that. Not Typhoon, Gripen or Rafale.

Urdu is comprehensible for bangladeshis but for those who don’t know
Translation; The chief refused f16s based on conditions that went against Pakistan’s sovereignty
Pakistan refused f16s on trials from US
Established First aerospace center in South Asia in kamra
Dismissed senior officers on charges of corruption on projects related to airforce
Supporting widows and their children financially with money retrieved from corrupt ex officers
Aviation industry has become advanced enough to be self sufficient in last two years
Thanks to the guests, and best wishes..