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Isn't that irony that mighty super ultra rich bengalis don't even have a defence forum of their own and to vent anger and frustration against Pakistan,they have to use a Pakistani forum:rolleyes:
1. We are not "venting" anything as there is nothing to vent.

2. If you pay attention, you would realise that select few amongst your compatriots act as the provocateurs 99 out of 100 times out of warped, deluded sense of superiority devoid of reality.

3. If we had inherent hatred towards Pakistan, we would not be here.

4. We have our own forums but PDF stands out due to the fantastic work of the admins here.

5. Nobody claimed BD is not poor.
 
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Regarding the Eurofighter:

Germany, at least seems like it wants to evolve it further to a Tranche 4 and 5.

If that is the case, perhaps Italy and UK will want new builds with similar capabilities freeing up Tranche 2 and 3 for resale.

I agree, it's wise to avoid the early Tranche 1.

The other pathway would have just been a single type in quantities.

Truthfully, 2 or 3 squadrons of a Western type would be MORE than adequate for Bangladesh for defensive purposes if mated to a robust support system and communications.

The complicating factor here though I think is the politics behind the purchases given competing interests.

This is a HUGE decision for the nation with many implications, more so strategically than tactically.


The enemy is and will remain the hindutva hellhole next door...

We have to prepare accordingly and in this following the chinese lead seems to me be a logical path to follow.

We require a good air defense system along with lots of interceptors, here j10s probably does the trick even against raffles. Single type fighters is enough for BDs basic needs.

But twin engine jet is an absolute to support the BN in the bay. Here european, US or russian will do. I really do not see parts blockade as being much of an issue.

The simian collective is a minor irritant, we need to defend and have the ability to hurt our only and surmountable enemy.
 
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The enemy is and will remain the hindutva hellhole next door...

We have to prepare accordingly and in this following the chinese lead seems to me be a logical path to follow.

We require a good air defense system along with lots of interceptors, here j10s probably does the trick even against raffles. Single type fighters is enough for BDs basic needs.

But twin engine jet is an absolute to support the BN in the bay. Here european, US or russian will do. I really do not see parts blockade as being much of an issue.

The simian collective is a minor irritant, we need to defend and have the ability to hurt our only and surmountable enemy.

I'm of the opinion though, its not just the hardware but also access to training, tactics, and people to people contact which will drive a culture shift towards better capability for the BAF that comes with Western equipment.

The Chinese are on the ascent yes. But West is best. Especially in training and the employment of modern tactics.

Buying Western fighters would tap BD into that.

Rather than target towing and dropping dumb bombs and unguided rockets, move on to stand off guided munitions and BVR.

I would rather learn from the West than China.

I agree with you about India being the main potential adversary but honestly man the reality is the chance of that is almost nil, AND if it does come to pass, these fighters and conventional forces aren't gonna save Bangladesh but rather asymmetric warfare.

So I would really gear alot of this towards a far more likely border/sea scenarios with Myanmar.

While keeping an eye on the "fight" against India.

Also, small point, we really need to keep away from calling our friends from the southeast derogatory names.

As much as I hate their hand in the Rohingya situation, we should be consistent and stay away from ethnic a racial superiority themes if we complain about being the recipient.

This subsection sometimes degenerated into a cesspool of immaturity.

We at least should try to up the level of discourse here.
 
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Guys, i am worried. If C-130J is "ultra-modern" in Hasina's eyes then i wonder, what "high-performance" fighter plane will be. 😰 What if BAF buys J-10CE or JF-17 and calls it "high-performance" fighter plane and ends the MRCA saga there like the Mig-29. 😰

I see a new troll has arrived.

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Well since Hasina herself confirmed it , so I believe it's not bogus! Prime minister of Bangladesh is actually the unofficial Monarch of Bangladesh. I hope she won't play foul like other ministers.

So confirmation from the president wasn't good enough? 🤨🙄😒

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Guys, i am worried. If C-130J is "ultra-modern" in Hasina's eyes then i wonder, what "high-performance" fighter plane will be. 😰 What if BAF buys J-10CE or JF-17 and calls it "high-performance" fighter plane and ends the MRCA saga there like the Mig-29. 😰



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So confirmation from the president wasn't good enough? 🤨🙄😒

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Mama, 3.5 gen, BVR-incapable MiG-29B's still pass as "ottadhunik' with BAF.
 
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I'm of the opinion though, its not just the hardware but also access to training, tactics, and people to people contact which will drive a culture shift towards better capability for the BAF that comes with Western equipment.

The Chinese are on the ascent yes. But West is best. Especially in training and modern methods of tactics.

Buying Western fighters would tap BD into that.

Rather than target towing and dropping dumb bombs and unguided rockets, move on to stand off guided munitions and BVR.

I would rather learn from the West than China.

I agree with you about India being the main potential adversary but honestly man the reality is the chance of that is almost nil, AND if it does come to pass, these fighters and conventional forces aren't gonna save Bangladesh but rather asymmetric warfare.

So I would really gear alot of this towards a far more likely border/sea scenarios with Myanmar.

While keeping an eye on the "fight" against India.

Also, small point, we really need to keep away from calling our friends from the southeast derogatory names.

As much as I hate their hand in the Rohingya situation, we should be consistent and stay away from ethnic a racial superiority themes if we complain about being the recipient.

This subsection sometimes degenerated into a cesspool of immaturity.

We at least should try to up the level of discourse here.


Western tech is better absolutely, however as we are not a petro economy we must do what we can.

I do not believe it is given that India can not be beaten. It has massive vulnarabilities that can be exploited. India is not the US and will never be.

Asymetric warfare is also a longterm game that will exact a heavy price for BD. Again this is not ideal.

BD need to prepare and develop strategies for a short sharp conflict. Conflict in itself would be a failure of diplomacy and BD is unlikely to allow things to come to that. However sometimes things turn out like that when illogicality like Hindutva fascism comes into the mix.

At the worst case scenario BD is beaten militarily but india can not hold it. Look what happened to IA in sri lanka. No one can hold BD with our population even a week....IA knew this in 1971. So have heart, BD is not so weak. Every country has strengths and weaknesses and between india and BD the balance sheet do not tilt towards india overwhelmingly in any arena.

BD greatest strength is that it is a democracy, its homogeneous and it accomodates plurality of belief. Demonisation of BD is difficult as we are a posterchild of emerging Muslim liberal democracy.

If you look up modern conflict theory, several things need now be present for actual conflict to occur, mainly

- democracy - democracies do not go to war with each other, period, due to needs of /dependance on the electorate to remain in power for leaders.

- economy- the more open and globally connected an economy the less likely such a country will go to war. Interdependency breeds stability

- media - the more open the media internally and more open it is to outside media the less likely the nation will enter into conflict.

- international reach - more connected you are to international finance and other organisations the less chance of conflict.

In all these cases BD and india shares the same trajectory. India simply can not engender a direct conflict with BD and expect to get away with it. BD is not Kashmir. India also can not afford a long war but BD can because we have no choice.

The calculus in every way possible is stalemate in the longrun. In the short term BD can also check india.
 
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So confirmation from the president wasn't good enough? 🤨🙄😒
Umm who is actually a president of Bangladesh ? Oh I understand now , you are talking about the ,Monajat Minister/মোনাজাত মন্ত্রী ( এবং ফিতা কাটা মন্ত্রী) Abdul Hamid!
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Guys, i am worried. If C-130J is "ultra-modern" in Hasina's eyes then i wonder, what "high-performance" fighter plane will be. 😰 What if BAF buys J-10CE or JF-17 and calls it "high-performance" fighter plane and ends the MRCA saga there like the Mig-29. 😰
Don't be upset jonab , its call moon syndrome. We are going to moon soon ,by training our fighter pilots. Chotobelay chander deshe zabar golpo shunechhi , eibar zabar rasta clear hoise vuila zan ken Hasinar Bani khana . :D
 
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BAF i can categorically confirm was talking to RAF and UK government throughout this year. I suspect its the EFT. At the time fairly reliable source confirmed BAF was seeking to place an order for 1 sqd old and 8 new. They did not know if the old was to be generation 1 efts.

I hope this info doesn't turn out to be another hoax like BD Military produced for years. 16 old+ 8 new EFTs are certainly positive things for BAF to get a jump start for 4.5 generation fighter in the fleet for the first time. At this point i am happy with anything and if the delay is happening to get 24 aircraft then i can be a bit more patient.

I hope the old ones are upgraded to block 5 or trench 2. The main purpose for the upcoming MRCA is to provide credible deterrence, air defense and air superiority against adversaries. 24 typhoons will be able to do that against MAF at least. 8 new EFTs can be armed with SOM and Marte-ER for maritime strike role. F-7 and Yak-130 can do the ground attack role. After securing the deal BAF should focus on single engine MRCA with MRO facility.

Anyway is trench 1 capable of firing BVR like Meteor? Did Indonesia buy Austrian EFTs? Those 15 could be good options for us as they are not very old. Is it true airbus offering Colombia 17 surplus trench 1 EFT? Who else is up for selling old EFT and which trench? (i know last part was dicussed before in sticky thread or somewhere but didn't follow 😅)
 
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Umm who is actually a president of Bangladesh ? Oh I understand now , you are talking about the ,Monajat Minister/মোনাজাত মন্ত্রী ( এবং ফিতা কাটা মন্ত্রী) Abdul Hamid!
:enjoy:
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Don't be upset jonab , its call moon syndrome. We are going to moon soon ,by training our fighter pilots. Chotobelay chander deshe zabar golpo shunechhi , eibar zabar rasta clear hoise vuila zan ken Hasinar Bani khana . :D
I hope this info doesn't turn out to be another hoax like BD Military produced for years. 16 old+ 8 new EFTs are certainly positive things for BAF to get a jump start for 4.5 generation fighter in the fleet for the first time. At this point i am happy with anything and if the delay is happening to get 24 aircraft then i can be a bit more patient.

I hope the old ones are upgraded to block 5 or trench 2. The main purpose for the upcoming MRCA is to provide credible deterrence, air defense and air superiority against adversaries. 24 typhoons will be able to do that against MAF at least. 8 new EFTs can be armed with SOM and Marte-ER for maritime strike role. F-7 and Yak-130 can do the ground attack role. After securing the deal BAF should focus on single engine MRCA with MRO facility.

Anyway is trench 1 capable of firing BVR like Meteor? Did Indonesia buy Austrian EFTs? Those 15 could be good options for us as they are not very old. Is it true airbus offering Colombia 17 surplus trench 1 EFT? Who else is up for selling old EFT and which trench? (i know last part was dicussed before in sticky thread or somewhere but didn't follow 😅)


EFT genaration 1 can fire Meteor i believe but its radar is not as far reaching as later generation so I believe the efficacy is somewhat handicapped.

EFT purchase is not without issues particularly timing....remains to be seen. UKbengali put up some good posts on this .... read those for more details.

BAF definately had talks, but i do not believe these have either concluded or any descisions made.
 
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BAF i can categorically confirm was talking to RAF and UK government throughout this year. I suspect its the EFT. At the time fairly reliable source confirmed BAF was seeking to place an order for 1 sqd old and 8 new. They did not know if the old was to be generation 1 efts.

I suspect generation 1 EFT is something BD would seek to avoid.... but even if it was not nothing is for sale that we know off in the public domain and anything new the delivery time would be atleast 3 years away. For new EFT with meteor this is acceptable.

On the otherside F16s are potentially being offered....

Personally against raffle i would bet on EFT personally....

European/chinese mix serves us best.
Only 1 squadton of twin engine fighters will be procured in the first instance.
 
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2 squadrons of Typhoons job sorted. U.K. is also close to Bangladesh, there’ll be top quality support.
2 squadrons of Typhoons job sorted. U.K. is also close to Bangladesh, there’ll be top quality support.


Indians hold a lot more leverage and with uk than bd. I guess it's gonna be j-10 c pointed against India and typhoons against Myanmar.
 
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Guys, i am worried. If C-130J is "ultra-modern" in Hasina's eyes then i wonder, what "high-performance" fighter plane will be. 😰 What if BAF buys J-10CE or JF-17 and calls it "high-performance" fighter plane and ends the MRCA saga there like the Mig-29. 😰



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So confirmation from the president wasn't good enough? 🤨🙄😒

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If f16 = mig 29
What’s EFT = ?
Guys rest assured we aren’t getting tranche 3... they’ll be switching over to tranche 4 and Germany, Spain have already signed up or preparing to
 
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Indians hold a lot more leverage and with uk than bd. I guess it's gonna be j-10 c pointed against India and typhoons against Myanmar.

They hold zero leverage and have no influence what so ever on arms sales. The Typhoon has been offered to Pakistan at least several times, with evaluations carried out by PAF staff. The problem was cash, so hence didn't materialise.
BD is treated as a friend and will be if you approach BAE.
 
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Indians hold a lot more leverage and with uk than bd. I guess it's gonna be j-10 c pointed against India and typhoons against Myanmar.
Doesn’t make any sense. Employing unproven if anything inferior platform compared to rafale and overkill against sukhoi and jf17... nah I don’t think so.
j10 if it replaces backbone fleet will do everything f7 does right now, they’ll scramble EFT only when mig 29 is scrambled for example.
They hold zero leverage and have no influence what so ever on arms sales. The Typhoon has been offered to Pakistan at least several times, with evaluations carried out by PAF staff. The problem was cash, so hence didn't materialise.
BD is treated as a friend and will be if you approach BAE.
Pakistan needs a twin engine fighter. Chinese sukhoi replicas are not bad for the money.
 
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