Babur 3 only a Stop-Gap, Pakistan needs real SLBM

[FuturePAF]

While Pakistan technical would have a Second strike capability with the Babur 3; nothing short of a SLBM would allow for a robust sea-based deterence. An affordable option for Pakistan, considering it is planning to get 8 SSK from China is to make three Chinese SSKs with a VLS section similar to the one on the Russian Amur 950.
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Armed with 8 to 12 missiles similar to India's K-15 Sagarika Missile, and warheads of various weights and yields, it can form a formidable deterence force. The design of the K-15 is that os a two stage solid fueled missile, where the first stage is a solid fueled missile; which lifts the the missile to 50 km in altitute; and releases a solid fueld hypersonic cruise missile, which can manuever and glide to a target between 700 km and 1900 km away depending on the weight of the warhead.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagarika_(missile)
http://www.indiaresearch.org/Shourya_Missile.pdf

If the PN begins on building its own missile similar to the Indian K-15 (which is based on the brahmo) it doesnt have to look to far then the current Chinese CX-1 missile. Most of the design is there. Supersonic Cruise missile, on top of a solid fueled booster.

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[Mrc]

Totally

 

[sparten]

AFAIK, that is PN's ultimate aimed. An SSBN.

 

[BHarwana]

Why SLBM. SLBM can be countered by ABM systems. We should go for more stealthy Cruise missiles with longer range. Cruise missiles based on 5th gen RADAR deflecting design. Improve Babur to become from RADAR evading to totally RAM (RADAR Absorbing) or RDD (Radar deflecting design). SLCM with a range of 2000km plus. We should keep in mind the development of future Anti Ballistic Missile Systems. India is getting it ABM from Israel. Israel has a serious problem of Rockets and they are working the technology very heavily. Israel is working on solid state lasers to defuse missiles and rockets. Low flying cruise missiles are more successful. We should apply 5th gen stealth tech on Babur and walk that path it is more obvious. Smart delivery systems should be developed.

 

[Penguin]

Indeed, why even a nuclear submarine?

 

[Dalit]

We need both and we will get both. Only a matter of time before we have tested a SLBM.

 

[Darth Vader]

Why SLBM. SLBM can be countered by ABM systems. We should go for more stealthy Cruise missiles with longer range. Cruise missiles based on 5th gen RADAR deflecting design. Improve Babur to become from RADAR evading to totally RAM (RADAR Absorbing) or RDD (Radar deflecting design). SLCM with a range of 2000km plus. We should keep in mind the development of future Anti Ballistic Missile Systems. India is getting it ABM from Israel. Israel has a serious problem of Rockets and they are working the technology very heavily. Israel is working on solid state lasers to defuse missiles and rockets. Low flying cruise missiles are more successful. We should apply 5th gen stealth tech on Babur and walk that path it is more obvious. Smart delivery systems should be developed.

ABM isnt that accurate it gets hard to stop something coming at you with 20 m+
Thats why you don't see countries investing billions who did they are stopping

Even if you go for steal cruise missile , most probably it will be a sub sonic, for longer range it will have more chance of being intercepted than BM

 

[BHarwana]

ABM isnt that accurate it gets hard to stop something coming at you with 20 m+
Thats why you don't see countries investing billions who did they are stopping

Even if you go for steal cruise missile , most probably it will be a sub sonic, for longer range it will have more chance of being intercepted than BM

Sub sonic cruise missile is the best option. They travel slow no surface friction due to air thus no IR signature. Turbo fan engine no exhaust IR signature. Just need a better design for radar, as less maneuverability is required cross section can be reduced to extreme low levels. Have you seen USA developing new SLBM designs? they are working more on drones and there is a very low difference in drones and cruise missiles.

 

[Darth Vader]

Sub sonic cruise missile is the best option. They travel slow no surface friction due to air thus no IR signature. Turbo fan engine no exhaust IR signature. Just need a better design for radar, as less maneuverability is required cross section can be reduced to extreme low levels. Have you seen USA developing new SLBM designs? they are working more on drones and there is a very low difference in drones and cruise missiles.

Because they are more cheaper to operate , and drones can be used again and again while these can't, other thing is US is using it against militias which cant do any thing about it
While if same drone is using against a decent modern air force result will be different
So thats where C.M comes in

 

[BHarwana]

Drone is a reusable cruise missile. We need a stealth cruise missile with a nuke delivery capability. It will be ultimate weapon for current time. no one will know what or from where they were hit.

Because they are more cheaper to operate , and drones can be used again and again while these can't, other thing is US is using it against militias which cant do any thing about it
While if same drone is using against a decent modern air force result will be different
So thats where C.M comes in

Look it is difficult to develop a fifth gen multi role fighter jet.Cruise missile can be developed easily and can be more stealthy than a jet. Anti missile systems are radar based and IR based. avoid those sensors and no one can stop it.

This is a stealth drone we just need to put a nuke in there. We have turbo fan jet engine tech. We have RAM tech from the crashed US chopper in Abbotabad. this is a drone. If converted to cruise missile more stealth can be achieved.

 

[R Wing]

RE: reducing radar signature, didn't our (and our Chinese brothers') material scientists come up with something after the tale section of one of the "Stealth Hawks" broke off during the staged OBL drama in Abbotabad?

 

[BHarwana]

RE: reducing radar signature, didn't our (and our Chinese brothers') material scientists come up with something after the tale section of one of the "Stealth Hawks" broke off during the staged OBL drama in Abbotabad?

Yes they did babur 3 test. Pakistan is on the right path. It is time to convert j31 tech to cruise missile also

 

[Cookie Monster]

Why SLBM. SLBM can be countered by ABM systems. We should go for more stealthy Cruise missiles with longer range. Cruise missiles based on 5th gen RADAR deflecting design. Improve Babur to become from RADAR evading to totally RAM (RADAR Absorbing) or RDD (Radar deflecting design). SLCM with a range of 2000km plus. We should keep in mind the development of future Anti Ballistic Missile Systems. India is getting it ABM from Israel. Israel has a serious problem of Rockets and they are working the technology very heavily. Israel is working on solid state lasers to defuse missiles and rockets. Low flying cruise missiles are more successful. We should apply 5th gen stealth tech on Babur and walk that path it is more obvious. Smart delivery systems should be developed.

No cruise missile comes even close to a ballistic missile when it comes to range. So it's necessary to have SLBMs. As for ABMs making them ineffective, there's the option of MIRV.

 

[Yaseen1]

convert shaheen 3 to slbm

 

[BHarwana]

convert shaheen 3 to slbm

Too long to fit in a sub.