Australian 'war crimes': Elite troops killed Afghan civilians, report finds

[Beast]

These kangaroos....

 

[Beidou2020]

White supremacy.

 

[redtom]

I'm still waiting for all the human rights groups calling themselves NGO, all the human rights defenders who are keen to sanction other countries, to comment on this and do something they love.

 

[Death Adder]

I see this enquiry report of Australian army and then i see enquiry report of Pakistan army into Karachi incident in relation to the kidnapping of police IG and also how General Papa John was protected. It’s day and night. We have long way to go to be called professional, we have zero accountability and same old lame excuse “it will effect the morale of troops”.

 

[R Wing]

Animals.

So, killing hundreds/thousands of civilians through drone strikes, summary executions by spec ops forces (Navy SEALs were found guilty of similarly disgusting 'trophy hunting') etc etc etc is fine because the White Man does it?

And supporting genuine resistance against an illegal occupation in IOK is terrorism and FATF suddenly applies?

Great.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

So, killing hundreds/thousands of civilians through drone strikes, summary executions by spec ops forces (Navy SEALs were found guilty of similarly disgusting 'trophy hunting') etc etc etc is fine because the White Man does it?

And supporting genuine resistance against an illegal occupation in IOK is terrorism and FATF suddenly applies?

Great.

Forget white man, their lapdog India is immune as well.

An independent and parallel financial system, outside the influence of American led western civilisation is absolute necessity now.

 

[lonelyman]

The disclosures from the special forces soldiers came slowly at first. Some spoke of killing as a "sport". Others of shame suffered in silence.

As word spread among the secretive community of soldiers and spies who had served for Australia in Afghanistan, information arrived with more urgency. Some men spoke matter-of-factly; others broke down. One thread bound many of them. It was their belief that small cliques of their fellow special forces soldiers had turned bad with impunity.


“One of the most disturbing things for me was people saying the phrase ‘it happened all the time',” says Dr Samantha Crompvoets of the information special forces insiders and whistleblowers disclosed to her about summary executions of unarmed Afghans, including prisoners and civilians.
Dr Crompvoets is the author of a secret 2016 report commissioned by military chief Angus Campbell. It was her report that sparked the nation's biggest war crimes probe, the Brereton inquiry, a summary of which is due to be publicly released this week.



For two years, The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and 60 Minutes have requested an interview with Dr Crompvoets and were rebuffed.

As her 2016 report detailing war crime disclosures is set to be validated this week by judge Paul Brereton's four-year inquiry, the sociologist has granted her first detailed interview about her work and of the role of Lieutenant General Campbell in helping uncover the scandal.


Dr Crompvoets' reluctance to speak publicly is understandable. There is no good news in what she found, except for two facts. First, it was courageous SAS members and Commandos who exposed the special forces dirty laundry. Second, the defence force’s instinctive nature to cover up embarrassment was subsumed by the need to air what Prime Minister Scott Morrison last week described as brutal, ugly truths. These two things have likely saved the SAS from being disbanded like it was in Canada when a similar scandal emerged. Dr Crompvoets drove both of them. Lieutenant General Campbell, too, didn’t look away.
When Dr Crompvoets warned Lieutenant General Campbell in early 2016 that special forces insiders were disclosing to her abhorrent war crimes allegations, he urged her to keep digging and “write it all down”.

“We're not talking about a couple of fog of war events that were, you know, perhaps confusing to understand," Dr Crompvoets recalls. "This is deliberate repeated patterns of behaviour.”
It could have gone another way. Two generals, Lieutenant General Campbell and Jeff Sengelman, had in 2015 commissioned Dr Crompvoets to examine cultural failings in the special forces, especially the poor relations between the nation’s two elite fighting arms, the SAS and the Commandos.



The SAS and Commandos conduct Australia's most arduous and dangerous surveillance and combat missions. Hundreds of their members were tasked with Australia's operations in Afghanistan's south after a western-led coalition invaded the country in response to the September 11 attacks in the United States.
Dr Crompvoets, 44, a highly intelligent and focused businesswoman who runs a Canberra firm specialising in examining and improving organisational culture, had previously been tasked by senior generals to handle sensitive defence force reviews. For her 2015-16 special forces probe, war crimes were not in her terms of reference.

But as she conducted the review, she encountered something much graver than rivalry between two branches of the special forces. It was Lieutenant General Campbell who encouraged Dr Crompvoets to roam more widely across the special forces and intelligence community and record every dark disclosure.


“He told me that bad news doesn’t get better with time,” she says.
In this case, it would get much worse.
Dr Crompvoets knew her status as a female civilian would lead to her being attacked. But it was the fact that she was not in the military that led to special forces insiders turning to her.

“People trusted that I was outside the organisation. I was looking at this quite objectively, I had nothing to win or lose, regardless of what I reported,” she says.
“I was very conscious that I'm a woman who has never been to war and there's a whole lot of stuff that I don't know. But the things that were described to me, there was no doubt that these things had occurred. And I heard similar stories from different people.”
“If I had thought, ‘these are just kind of baseless rumours’, I just wouldn't have reported it.”

Dr Crompvoets' April 2016 report to generals Campbell and Sengelman described conduct that the military insiders she spoke to likened to the Abu Ghraib affair, the Iraq prisoner torture scandal that enveloped the US military in 2004. The crimes disclosed in her interviews with Australian special forces included alleged "competition killing and blood lust" and "the inhumane and unnecessary treatment of prisoners".


In her interview with The Age, the Herald and 60 Minutes, she says some allegedly unlawful behaviour, such as summary executions, were “celebrated and normalised, and almost a rite of passage for some people”.

Some of the men she spoke to, such as a soldier who described two unarmed teens having their throats allegedly slit and their bodies disposed of in a river, were in mental anguish. Others were emotionless as they explained how the mistreatment of prisoners became routine as small groups of special forces began writing their own rules of war.

She remembers a young SAS soldier telling her how “the rules are different here,” as he described the longer leash given to special forces soldiers when compared to regular army soldiers.

“I think that whole idea that the rules are different … creates an environment that is conducive to things going wrong,” she says.


Dr Crompvoets did not spare the chain of command, which sent special forces on multiple deployments and in some cases incentivised high body counts while failing to act on suspicious “killed in action” post-operational reports and briefings.
She wrote how insiders felt it “shameful” that the officers leading the special forces in Afghanistan “muted” concerns about misconduct that were raised at the time. They deployed special forces again and again on capture and kill missions in what by 2012 had become a hopeless war.

Dr Crompvoets’ savaging of the bystander culture that festered in the special forces, where pressure to protect colleagues was strong, has already led to major reforms.

She remains in touch with soldiers shattered by what they witnessed and, sometimes, their own failure to challenge more powerful colleagues or officers who would be later rewarded with medals and promotions.

“I don’t think we should forget that it's not just those soldiers in the Special Forces units. It's those people around them that potentially facilitated those behaviours as well,” she says.

“I also spoke to people who did call out bad behaviour and who were basically belittled and left broken.”
In 2018, two years after Dr Crompvoets delivered her confidential findings that war crimes had likely occurred, parts of her report were leaked to The Age and the Herald by military sources. Dr Crompvoets was savaged on social media and in some mainstream outlets, accused of being a left-leaning feminist cultural warrior. The irony was that she was in fact a conduit for the concerns of battle-hardened soldiers.

Former defence minister Brendan Nelson falsely claimed that the war crimes under scrutiny were "fog of war" incidents, rather than summary executions. The execution of prisoners and non-combatants is a crime under international and Australian law.
On Thursday, Lieutenant General Campbell will tell the nation of the scale of alleged war crimes committed by Australian special forces soldiers in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016. He is releasing the summary of the final report of the Brereton inquiry, the inspector general's exhaustive and forensic probe triggered by Dr Crompvoets’ earlier work.


The Brereton inquiry has interviewed more than 350 witnesses on oath and has reviewed thousands of classified files. Witnesses have given detailed statements and some suspects have confessed.

The report is expected to detail “bloodings”, in which junior soldiers were encouraged to execute prisoners and civilians. The12 cases reported previously by The Age and the Herald involve Afghans murdered while defenceless and unarmed. Some had their hands bound.

Dr Crompvoets expects backlash from some who will try to blur the fact that Justice Paul Brereton’s findings, like her own, are a product of SAS and Commandos who could not stand by any longer.

If you are a current or former ADF member, or a relative, and need counselling or support, contact the Defence All-Hours Support Line on 1800 628 036 or Open Arms on 1800 011 046.

these are pure evil, the actual crime number must be higher

we china never set foot on foreign land, never bother with foreigners, but these white murderers slaying innocent civilians pointing fingers at China all day

 

[Imad.Khan]

And look at their excuse.
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That is NOT an excuse, that is a headline to grab attention so people click on the link and read the difference between killing someone in battle vs killing someone as a sport.

Australians are very proud of their military and with these findings they have been hurt deeply.

What do u knw about aussies,. i live here, no nation is nice, its comprosed of human biengs, human biengs when godless can be evil in the purest form, u dont need the US for that, US did not ask them to do this, they did this and hence are responsible for this, fyi.... if u really know aussies and yanks, yanks are more reasonable and nicer than aussies.

I disagree, I find Americans too arrogant and up themselves. As soon as i landed in US i regretted it. They treat you like dirt. Only Kiwis and Aussies are understanding and polite.

 

[Mav3rick]

What do u knw about aussies,. i live here, no nation is nice, its comprosed of human biengs, human biengs when godless can be evil in the purest form, u dont need the US for that, US did not ask them to do this, they did this and hence are responsible for this, fyi.... if u really know aussies and yanks, yanks are more reasonable and nicer than aussies.

Being an Aussie myself, I know what I am talking about.

And just because you may be in Australia, it does not mean that you have spent more time there than I did, or experienced more Aussies than I did.

 

[Awan68]

Being an Aussie myself, I know what I am talking about.

And just because you may be in Australia, it does not mean that you have spent more time there than I did, or experienced more Aussies than I did.

U can spend a million years in a place and still not get the gist of it, i have identified several common traits among these folk that has lead me to this conclusion.

 

[BHAN85]

Even if they didnt killed a single one man.
They should never been there.

It's a illegal war based on USA lies and fantasies (911 self attacks).

The west has nothing to do with Afghanistan. It's not our bussiness, it was only a disgusting war to test weapon and military readiness, and test how USA can fool the whole world when they was the superpower (twenty years ago).

Why are these people not in jail, what the hell is the world coming too, the old saying goes “Muslim blood is cheap”, still stands to this day

Poor people blood is cheap, like Yemeni people blood today, but you wont protest about that.

 

[tower9]

Is this behavior surprising? Australian history contains some of the darkest chapters of genocide.

Colonizers once regularly went on hunting raids and randomly hunted Aboriginals like they were prey. Aboriginal women were regularly raped. You can say they are too ugly to be raped, but mind you, this was before modern pop culture beauty standards and most of the White male colonizers were alone in the bush and rather ugly themselves.

Australia has a very dark and evil history.

Australia’s 'sanitized' genocide against Aborigines in the 21st century

english.khamenei.ir

The killing times: the massacres of Aboriginal people Australia must confront

Special report: Shootings, poisonings and children driven off cliffs – this is a record of state-sanctioned slaughter

www.theguardian.com

How early Australians treated Aboriginal people

Aboriginal women were considered fair game to colonisers.

www.nzherald.co.nz

The killing times: the massacres of Aboriginal people Australia must confront

Special report: Shootings, poisonings and children driven off cliffs – this is a record of state-sanctioned slaughter

www.theguardian.com

Australia has a history of Aboriginal slavery

Australia's slavery started because other countries abolished it. Aboriginal people were blackbirded and used in the pearling, sugar cane and cattle industries. They suffered terrible abuse and were denied their wages.

www.creativespirits.info

Truth Of Australia's Colonisation | Peaceful Settlement Myth | Australians Together

Bust the myths surrounding the history of colonisation in Australia with Australians Together. Learn about the true impact on Indigenous peoples and the ongoing effects on society today. Discover resources and information to gain a deeper understanding of the true history of peaceful settlement.

australianstogether.org.au

Centuries Of Slaughter: Genocide In The Australian Outback

On these forgotten killing fields, nearly an entire population was exterminated.

allthatsinteresting.com

 

[retaxis]

One thing we learned in Australia. Australians use to dig holes not very deep and put a baby into it with head showing and then run up and kick the aboriginal babys head off like sport to see who can kick the furthest. Very disturbing and animal like behaviours.

 

[mazeto]

Is this behavior surprising? Australian history contains some of the darkest chapters of genocide.

Colonizers once regularly went on hunting raids and randomly hunted Aboriginals like they were prey. Aboriginal women were regularly raped. You can say they are too ugly to be raped, but mind you, this was before modern pop culture beauty standards and most of the White male colonizers were alone in the bush and rather ugly themselves.

Australia has a very dark and evil history.

Australia’s 'sanitized' genocide against Aborigines in the 21st century

english.khamenei.ir

The killing times: the massacres of Aboriginal people Australia must confront

Special report: Shootings, poisonings and children driven off cliffs – this is a record of state-sanctioned slaughter

www.theguardian.com

How early Australians treated Aboriginal people

Aboriginal women were considered fair game to colonisers.

www.nzherald.co.nz

The killing times: the massacres of Aboriginal people Australia must confront

Special report: Shootings, poisonings and children driven off cliffs – this is a record of state-sanctioned slaughter

www.theguardian.com

Australia has a history of Aboriginal slavery

Australia's slavery started because other countries abolished it. Aboriginal people were blackbirded and used in the pearling, sugar cane and cattle industries. They suffered terrible abuse and were denied their wages.

www.creativespirits.info

Truth Of Australia's Colonisation | Peaceful Settlement Myth | Australians Together

Bust the myths surrounding the history of colonisation in Australia with Australians Together. Learn about the true impact on Indigenous peoples and the ongoing effects on society today. Discover resources and information to gain a deeper understanding of the true history of peaceful settlement.

australianstogether.org.au

Centuries Of Slaughter: Genocide In The Australian Outback

On these forgotten killing fields, nearly an entire population was exterminated.

allthatsinteresting.com

That's why I find it moronic on the part of individual Muslims and Muslim nations obsessively being anti-China over Xinjiang issue while being great friends and allies with the real tormentors of Muslims for millennia.
The one and only chance for the Muslim world ( or 3rd world)to come out of the current regression and weakness is through China breaking the Western yoke. There is no other way and no other nation capable .
Western nations conspire together to prevent any group other than white+Christian to gain any sort of meaningful power. Few outside this group ( Japan, Taiwan, SK) escaped their fate by effectively becoming castrated lackeys of the former group. The desperate efforts to stifle Huawei, ZTE etc exposed their practiced charade .

It doesn't mean China is good or you have to love them. It's enough to use China for your own ends.

 

[tower9]

That's why I find it moronic on the part of individual Muslims and Muslim nations obsessively being anti-China over Xinjiang issue while being great friends and allies with the real tormentors of Muslims for millennia.
The one and only chance for the Muslim world ( or 3rd world)to come out of the current regression and weakness is through China breaking the Western yoke. There is no other way and no other nation capable .
Western nations conspire together to prevent any group other than white+Christian to gain any sort of meaningful power. Few outside this group ( Japan, Taiwan, SK) escaped their fate by effectively becoming castrated lackeys of the former group. The desperate efforts to stifle Huawei, ZTE etc exposed their practiced charade .

It doesn't mean China is good or you have to love them. It's enough to use China for your own ends.

Most of the allegations of Chinese oppression of Uighurs is CIA propaganda. PERIOD. It is pure propaganda. That is not to say that Uighur nationalism is not repressed, which it certainly is. But the outlandish "million people in concentration camps", "Uighurs forced to eat pork and drink alcohol", "Uighurs being forced to abort" is complete propaganda once you look at the sources. It is actually very upsetting how much straight up lies that the media spouts in order to create "atrocity propaganda" against China or any political target of the West, whether it is China, Syria, Russia or Iran. If you actually travel China widely, Muslim influence is far more prevalent, widespread and assimilated in China than ANY WESTERN COUNTRY. Halal restaurants are everywhere, mosques are everywhere. The Hui Chinese Muslim population, who are actually the largest Muslim ethnic group, have been well integrated in Chinese society for over a millenia and many Chinese heroes who are widely respected trace back to this ethnic group like the great explorer Zheng He.

The problem with Anglos is that they have this Christian religious zeal and it still exists, whether they are religious or not. There is this need to not only dominate all other nations, but this sick narcissistic need to be praised by them as well. To be seen as the morally superior race even when they have committed the greatest crimes against humanity. Nowadays, instead of Christianity, the Anglo-Jewish globalist cult push Liberalism whereby they want to be seen as kind, progressive, morally superior liberals at home while they continue to bomb and kill non-White people overseas and paint these war crimes as justified because "their governments are evil". Except nowadays these people are not labeled as deserving to be killed because they are "heathens", but because they are "undemocratic".

It's truly twisted it all is when you think about it and are able to travel the world and see the hypocrisy that is prevalent.