Attack Helicopters----Needed No More---Drones Are The Future:

[MastanKhan]

Gentlemen & people,

Ukraine war has brought out some very interesting and unique changes in military combat---considering what we thought was important in the past---has turned out to be of minimal consequence or of very little concern.

Strike aircraft with dumb bombs----. These aircraft---they are totally obsolete now.

Modern strike aircraft---their only option is smart weapons but with the production of modern anti drone ---anti smart weapons---anti low flying surface to surface missiles---or air to surface missiles---in a highly contested air space---militaries that have better surface to air weapons---like shoulder carried sams---or other SA missiles---computerized / radar assisted quad barrels guns---or radar assisted rotary canons will have a severe effect against incoming strike weapons.

In heavily contested areas---air to surface weapons will have a comparatively lower success rate because of excessive anti air capabilities as long as they are coming from a predictable direction

You will also see that the role of attack helicopters severely diminish and taken over by the DRONES---so that has ended up as a good thing for pakistan army---.

We can thank the US congress for blocking the delivery of the Apache gunships that came with restrictions and Kill switches as well and NO air to air missiles either---.

Our drones will completely take over the roles of the gunship helicopters for air to ground and under certain circumstances air to air combat as well---along with surveillance.

I wanted to share this good news with my pakistani colleagues. At age 66---I don't have the energy---intensity and the patience to write long drawn out articles---so this short version.

Now about the helicopters---helicopters will still have mission specific capabilities---like dropping off and picking up personal and equipment and things like that----.

But what the apache gunships were bringing to the table---mostly---we have fulfilled it with our drones---and with much much better capabilities.

In weapons world---nothing is for certain---battle plans change---modern technology acts as a force multiplier---Global positioning satellites bring new tactics to the battlefield---.

Now don't get me wrong---the fighting helicopters will still have their place on the battlefield---which many a posters may write about.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[dbc]

Gentlemen & people,

Ukraine war has brought out some very interesting and unique changes in military combat---considering what we thought was important in the past---has turned out to be of minimal consequence or of very little concern.

Strike aircraft with dumb bombs----. These aircraft---they are totally obsolete now.

Modern strike aircraft---their only option is smart weapons but with the production of modern anti drone ---anti smart weapons---anti low flying surface to surface missiles---or air to surface missiles---in a highly contested air space---militaries that have better surface to air weapons---like shoulder carried sams---or other SA missiles---computerized / radar assisted quad barrels guns---or radar assisted rotary canons will have a severe effect against incoming strike weapons.

In heavily contested areas---air to surface weapons will have a comparatively lower success rate because of excessive anti air capabilities as long as they are coming from a predictable direction

You will also see that the role of attack helicopters severely diminish and taken over by the DRONES---so that has ended up as a good thing for pakistan army---.

We can thank the US congress for blocking the delivery of the Apache gunships that came with restrictions and Kill switches as well and NO air to air missiles either---.

Our drones will completely take over the roles of the gunship helicopters for air to ground and under certain circumstances air to air combat as well---along with surveillance.

I wanted to share this good news with my pakistani colleagues. At age 66---I don't have the energy---intensity and the patience to write long drawn out articles---so this short version.

Now about the helicopters---helicopters will still have mission specific capabilities---like dropping off and picking up personal and equipment and things like that----.

But what the apache gunships were bringing to the table---mostly---we have fulfilled it with our drones---and with much much better capabilities.

In weapons world---nothing is for certain---battle plans change---modern technology acts as a force multiplier---Global positioning satellites bring new tactics to the battlefield---.

Now don't get me wrong---the fighting helicopters will still have their place on the battlefield---which many a posters may write about.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

er..a big NO. For one latency, there is a few seconds latency between what an operator sees and the events unfolding before the drone in real time. So a remote piloted drone could never replace an Apache in a pitched dynamic battle in support of ground infantry where a fraction of a second means life or death. Of course these limitations don't apply to fully autonomous AI drones but Pakistan isn't there just yet. Besides if you're fighting a well equipped adversary pretty sure they can simply jam the drones comms and GPS - then what? And how is a remotely piloted drone supposed to evade hostile fire?

 

[MastanKhan]

er..a big NO. For one latency, there is a few seconds latency between what an operator sees and the events unfolding before the drone in real time. So a remote piloted drone could never replace an Apache in a pitched dynamic battle in support of ground infantry where a fraction of a second means life or death. Of course these limitations don't apply to fully autonomous AI drones but Pakistan isn't there just yet. Besides if you're fighting a well equipped adversary pretty sure they can simply jam the drones comms and GPS - then what? And how is a remotely piloted drone supposed to evade hostile fire?

Hi,

Thank you @dbc---.

As pakistan is not there---same with its enemy---.

 

[Signalian]

PA is still getting gunships hopefully. Just like loyal wingman assisting fighter aircraft’s, a drone (rotary perhaps) can be controlled by gunship pilot to execute missions. That would be the first step in letting drones take over the role of the gunships.

The size, weight and dimensions of drone can conclude the weaponry it can carry. Winged may carry more than rotary.

 

[Tipu7]

Gentlemen & people,

Ukraine war has brought out some very interesting and unique changes in military combat---considering what we thought was important in the past---has turned out to be of minimal consequence or of very little concern.

Strike aircraft with dumb bombs----. These aircraft---they are totally obsolete now.

Modern strike aircraft---their only option is smart weapons but with the production of modern anti drone ---anti smart weapons---anti low flying surface to surface missiles---or air to surface missiles---in a highly contested air space---militaries that have better surface to air weapons---like shoulder carried sams---or other SA missiles---computerized / radar assisted quad barrels guns---or radar assisted rotary canons will have a severe effect against incoming strike weapons.

In heavily contested areas---air to surface weapons will have a comparatively lower success rate because of excessive anti air capabilities as long as they are coming from a predictable direction

You will also see that the role of attack helicopters severely diminish and taken over by the DRONES---so that has ended up as a good thing for pakistan army---.

We can thank the US congress for blocking the delivery of the Apache gunships that came with restrictions and Kill switches as well and NO air to air missiles either---.

Our drones will completely take over the roles of the gunship helicopters for air to ground and under certain circumstances air to air combat as well---along with surveillance.

I wanted to share this good news with my pakistani colleagues. At age 66---I don't have the energy---intensity and the patience to write long drawn out articles---so this short version.

Now about the helicopters---helicopters will still have mission specific capabilities---like dropping off and picking up personal and equipment and things like that----.

But what the apache gunships were bringing to the table---mostly---we have fulfilled it with our drones---and with much much better capabilities.

In weapons world---nothing is for certain---battle plans change---modern technology acts as a force multiplier---Global positioning satellites bring new tactics to the battlefield---.

Now don't get me wrong---the fighting helicopters will still have their place on the battlefield---which many a posters may write about.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Japanese are phasing out their attack helicopters in favor of drones.
Although requirements vary from military to military, but helicopters in current configuration are losing their relevancy rapidly. And obviously drones are taking over by providing more distributed and flexible fire power than gunships. But its still not over for "weaponized helicopters." In future if they evolved into something more robust, like Valour or Defiant, only then they will keep living the future for generations to come.

*Case is different for 3rd world militaries which still predominately employ cold war era tech and WW-II style war tactics.

 

[khansaheeb]

Japanese are phasing out their attack helicopters in favor of drones.
Although requirements vary from military to military, but helicopters in current configuration are losing their relevancy rapidly. And obviously drones are taking over by providing more distributed and flexible fire power than gunships. But its still not over for "weaponized helicopters." In future if they evolved into something more robust, like Valour or Defiant, only then they will keep living the future for generations to come.

*Case is different for 3rd world militaries which still predominately employ cold war era tech and WW-II style war tactics.

Problem with drones is that they are more prone to ECM than Helicopters. Yes Drones do have a function but Helicopters too both in different scenarios. Surprised Ukrainians and Russian electronics engineers haven't perfected drone control RF transmission countermeasures .

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hopefully, TAI ATAK-2, being armed to the teeth with EW capabilities and functioning in tandem with the drones of all sorts - can attack some of the concerns shown here.....

Being alone and Ahmak are the same....

 

[SQ8]

er..a big NO. For one latency, there is a few seconds latency between what an operator sees and the events unfolding before the drone in real time. So a remote piloted drone could never replace an Apache in a pitched dynamic battle in support of ground infantry where a fraction of a second means life or death. Of course these limitations don't apply to fully autonomous AI drones but Pakistan isn't there just yet. Besides if you're fighting a well equipped adversary pretty sure they can simply jam the drones comms and GPS - then what? And how is a remotely piloted drone supposed to evade hostile fire?

Attack helicopters and helicopters in general are not flying above 50ft in most parts of the Ukrainian front lines. Modern IADs have shows their efficacy as well as MANPADs.

Drones are being jammed but they are able to take alternate routes to hit their targets - however the solution is what is already being debated in the Pentagon.

Modern CAS will he a very difficult process so the Fire support aspect is going to start coming back the army - loitering munitions, longer ranged SFW delivering ballistic systems and so on.

There will be space for Attack helicopters - but they now become the UAS control centers and launch loitering munitions from behind cover to sanitze air space they might operate in.

Pakistan UCAVs can operate in some comm jamming conditions but eventually it will revert back to indirect Fire support. India is making strides and there in their loitering munitions aspect so in 5-10 years Pakistan will simply lose the capability to blunt offensives as well.

 

[CLUMSY]

Lol, please.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

India is making strides and there in their loitering munitions aspect so in 5-10 years Pakistan will simply lose the capability to blunt offensives as well.

Thanks to the Chinese and Turkish advancements, Pak can subvert that. And, you know it too well Pak can do that.....

 

[SQ8]

Thanks to the Chinese and Turkish advancements, Pak can subvert that. And, you know it too well Pak can do that.....

Possibly - but Pakistan doesn’t have India’s coffers.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Possibly - but Pakistan doesn’t have India’s coffers.

No? I thought money was never the problem for Pakistani military.

 

[SQ8]

No? I thought money was never the problem for Pakistani military.

They have some to spend on certain priority procurement but it can not be sustained nor match India’s

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Possibly - but Pakistan doesn’t have India’s coffers.

What are friends for?

 

[SQ8]

What are friends for?

There are no friends - just common interests