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VIENNA: An influential world body that controls nuclear exports will address the sensitive issue of closer ties with India – which is outside the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) – at an annual meeting this week, a draft agenda obtained by Reuters showed.

The United States, Britain and others have argued that nuclear-armed India should join the secretive 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) – established in 1975 to ensure that civilian atomic trade is not diverted for military purposes.

But other NSG states have voiced doubt about accepting a country that built up a nuclear arsenal outside a 189-nation treaty set up four decades ago to prevent states from acquiring such weapons of mass destruction.

Days ahead of the June 26-27 NSG meeting in Buenos Aires, India said it was ratifying an agreement, a so-called Additional Protocol, with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to expand oversight over its civilian nuclear programme.

The United States said this marked another “important step in bringing India into the international non-proliferation mainstream.” But some critics questioned the step's significance, as it would not affect India's nuclear weapons programme and sensitive atomic fuel activities.

They said the Indian agreement was a much weaker version of a deal most other IAEA members have, giving the UN watchdog wide inspection powers to make sure there are no covert nuclear activities in a country.:devil::devil::devil::devil:

“India's version of the Additional Protocol is a paper tiger,” said Daryl Kimball of the US-based Arms Control Association, a research and advocacy group.:flame::flame::flame:
(something is burning)

A diplomatic source said he did not expect any decision on the membership issue at the NSG plenary meeting in Argentina's capital, suggesting it would take more time.

The diplomatic tussle centres on whether the emerging power should be allowed into a key forum deciding rules for civilian nuclear trade, even though it never joined the 1970 Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), under which it would have to give up its nuclear weapons.

The agenda for the meeting on Thursday and Friday said members would be “invited to a general discussion on the NSG's relationship with India,” without giving details on this point.

Chinese reservations
The NSG's outgoing chair before Argentina takes over, the Czech Republic, is to report on “consultations with India regarding dialogue and cooperation” with member states.

India – Asia's third-largest economy – would need the support of all NSG states to join the cartel that has a pivotal role in countering nuclear threats and proliferation.

If India eventually were to become a member, it would boost its standing as an atomic power. It would be the only member of the suppliers group that has not signed up to the NPT.
Supporters say it is better if the country is inside than outside the NSG as it is already an advanced nuclear energy power and will in future become a significant exporter as well.

Those who are sceptical argue it could erode the credibility of the NPT, which is a cornerstone of global nuclear disarmament efforts.

Diplomats have said that China and some others have been doubtful. Beijing's reservations are believed to be influenced by its ties to its ally Pakistan, India's rival, which has also tested atomic bombs and is also outside the NPT, analysts say.

To receive civilian nuclear exports, nations that are not one of the five officially recognised nuclear arms states – those that had known arsenals before the NPT was hatched – must usually place their nuclear activities under IAEA safeguards.

When the United States sealed a nuclear supply deal with India in 2008 that China and others found questionable because Delhi is outside the NPT, Washington won an NSG waiver from that rule after long and contentious negotiations in Vienna.
Atomic export group to discuss ties with India - World - DAWN.COM
Recall earlier I had said
What are we getting in return? Will only be clear when Modi visits US at the end of september. Something big is coming in the field of Civil Nuclear energy.
In return for what?
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Earlier we had a waiver to do N-commerce
NOW WE MAY GET FULL NSG MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT SIGNING THE NPT. ONLY COUNTRY TO DO SO.

:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:
Burn haters Burn.

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
@Indischer @wolfschanzze @jha @Android @JanjaWeed @arp2041 @Tshering22
and the BDian @levina and closet commie @Ravi Nair
@SwAggeR
One more question remains. WHAT DOES THE USA GET? eagerly awaiting september.
:usflag:
 
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VIENNA: An influential world body that controls nuclear exports will address the sensitive issue of closer ties with India – which is outside the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) – at an annual meeting this week, a draft agenda obtained by Reuters showed.

The United States, Britain and others have argued that nuclear-armed India should join the secretive 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) – established in 1975 to ensure that civilian atomic trade is not diverted for military purposes.

But other NSG states have voiced doubt about accepting a country that built up a nuclear arsenal outside a 189-nation treaty set up four decades ago to prevent states from acquiring such weapons of mass destruction.

Days ahead of the June 26-27 NSG meeting in Buenos Aires, India said it was ratifying an agreement, a so-called Additional Protocol, with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to expand oversight over its civilian nuclear programme.

The United States said this marked another “important step in bringing India into the international non-proliferation mainstream.” But some critics questioned the step's significance, as it would not affect India's nuclear weapons programme and sensitive atomic fuel activities.

They said the Indian agreement was a much weaker version of a deal most other IAEA members have, giving the UN watchdog wide inspection powers to make sure there are no covert nuclear activities in a country.

“India's version of the Additional Protocol is a paper tiger,” said Daryl Kimball of the US-based Arms Control Association, a research and advocacy group.

A diplomatic source said he did not expect any decision on the membership issue at the NSG plenary meeting in Argentina's capital, suggesting it would take more time.

The diplomatic tussle centres on whether the emerging power should be allowed into a key forum deciding rules for civilian nuclear trade, even though it never joined the 1970 Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), under which it would have to give up its nuclear weapons.

The agenda for the meeting on Thursday and Friday said members would be “invited to a general discussion on the NSG's relationship with India,” without giving details on this point.

Chinese reservations
The NSG's outgoing chair before Argentina takes over, the Czech Republic, is to report on “consultations with India regarding dialogue and cooperation” with member states.

India – Asia's third-largest economy – would need the support of all NSG states to join the cartel that has a pivotal role in countering nuclear threats and proliferation.

If India eventually were to become a member, it would boost its standing as an atomic power. It would be the only member of the suppliers group that has not signed up to the NPT.

Supporters say it is better if the country is inside than outside the NSG as it is already an advanced nuclear energy power and will in future become a significant exporter as well.

Those who are sceptical argue it could erode the credibility of the NPT, which is a cornerstone of global nuclear disarmament efforts.

Diplomats have said that China and some others have been doubtful. Beijing's reservations are believed to be influenced by its ties to its ally Pakistan, India's rival, which has also tested atomic bombs and is also outside the NPT, analysts say.

To receive civilian nuclear exports, nations that are not one of the five officially recognised nuclear arms states – those that had known arsenals before the NPT was hatched – must usually place their nuclear activities under IAEA safeguards.

When the United States sealed a nuclear supply deal with India in 2008 that China and others found questionable because Delhi is outside the NPT, Washington won an NSG waiver from that rule after long and contentious negotiations in Vienna.
Atomic export group to discuss ties with India - World - DAWN.COM
Recall earlier I had said


Earlier we had a waiver to do N-commerce
NOW WE MAY GET FULL NSG MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT SIGNING THE NPT. ONLY COUNTRY TO DO SO.

:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:
Burn haters Burn.

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
@Indischer @wolfschanzze @jha @Android @JanjaWeed @arp2041 @Tshering22
and the BDian @levina and colsed commie @Ravi Nair

One more question remains. WHAT DOES THE USA GET? eagerly awaiting september.
:usflag:


Like our PM said, "let them come to us". :lol:
 
VIENNA: An influential world body that controls nuclear exports will address the sensitive issue of closer ties with India – which is outside the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) – at an annual meeting this week, a draft agenda obtained by Reuters showed.

The United States, Britain and others have argued that nuclear-armed India should join the secretive 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) – established in 1975 to ensure that civilian atomic trade is not diverted for military purposes.

But other NSG states have voiced doubt about accepting a country that built up a nuclear arsenal outside a 189-nation treaty set up four decades ago to prevent states from acquiring such weapons of mass destruction.

Days ahead of the June 26-27 NSG meeting in Buenos Aires, India said it was ratifying an agreement, a so-called Additional Protocol, with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to expand oversight over its civilian nuclear programme.

The United States said this marked another “important step in bringing India into the international non-proliferation mainstream.” But some critics questioned the step's significance, as it would not affect India's nuclear weapons programme and sensitive atomic fuel activities.

They said the Indian agreement was a much weaker version of a deal most other IAEA members have, giving the UN watchdog wide inspection powers to make sure there are no covert nuclear activities in a country.:devil::devil::devil::devil:

“India's version of the Additional Protocol is a paper tiger,” said Daryl Kimball of the US-based Arms Control Association, a research and advocacy group.:flame::flame::flame:
(something is burning)

A diplomatic source said he did not expect any decision on the membership issue at the NSG plenary meeting in Argentina's capital, suggesting it would take more time.

The diplomatic tussle centres on whether the emerging power should be allowed into a key forum deciding rules for civilian nuclear trade, even though it never joined the 1970 Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), under which it would have to give up its nuclear weapons.

The agenda for the meeting on Thursday and Friday said members would be “invited to a general discussion on the NSG's relationship with India,” without giving details on this point.

Chinese reservations
The NSG's outgoing chair before Argentina takes over, the Czech Republic, is to report on “consultations with India regarding dialogue and cooperation” with member states.

India – Asia's third-largest economy – would need the support of all NSG states to join the cartel that has a pivotal role in countering nuclear threats and proliferation.

If India eventually were to become a member, it would boost its standing as an atomic power. It would be the only member of the suppliers group that has not signed up to the NPT.
Supporters say it is better if the country is inside than outside the NSG as it is already an advanced nuclear energy power and will in future become a significant exporter as well.

Those who are sceptical argue it could erode the credibility of the NPT, which is a cornerstone of global nuclear disarmament efforts.

Diplomats have said that China and some others have been doubtful. Beijing's reservations are believed to be influenced by its ties to its ally Pakistan, India's rival, which has also tested atomic bombs and is also outside the NPT, analysts say.

To receive civilian nuclear exports, nations that are not one of the five officially recognised nuclear arms states – those that had known arsenals before the NPT was hatched – must usually place their nuclear activities under IAEA safeguards.

When the United States sealed a nuclear supply deal with India in 2008 that China and others found questionable because Delhi is outside the NPT, Washington won an NSG waiver from that rule after long and contentious negotiations in Vienna.
Atomic export group to discuss ties with India - World - DAWN.COM
Recall earlier I had said


Earlier we had a waiver to do N-commerce
NOW WE MAY GET FULL NSG MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT SIGNING THE NPT. ONLY COUNTRY TO DO SO.

:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:
Burn haters Burn.

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
@Indischer @wolfschanzze @jha @Android @JanjaWeed @arp2041 @Tshering22
and the BDian @levina and closet commie @Ravi Nair
@SwAggeR
One more question remains. WHAT DOES THE USA GET? eagerly awaiting september.
:usflag:

Well as an official BDian I think I will be able to give a more neutral view of this.At the moment there are I think 4 countries which havent signed NPT India,Pak,Israel and N.Korea.

From the NSG’s point of view the advantages of Indian membership would be the integration of an important potential exporter into its regime and that many other countries may also profit from India’s nuclear market. For India securing full membership in the NSG would have its voice heard in determining new export guidelines.
However......India’s acceptance would make it the first non-NPT country in the NSG and encourage Pakistan to seek membership supporter by non other than china’s support. At the same time aceptance of India as a member would permanently preclude later admission of Pakistan...as Delhi would vote certainly against Islamabad’s entry. Lol.
Creating an exception only for India is like making the NSG irrelevant to the detriment of nonproliferation norms.....lets see how NSG circumvents this.

And to your question what does US get ???
The answer is that this would exacerbate tensions between Pak and India giving monkey the chance to take the bread away.
 
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these nations impose sanctions on us first and then embrace us with open arms, India is unstoppable yo
 
And to your question what does US get ???
The answer is that this would exacerbate tensions between Pak and India giving monkey the chance to take the bread away.
Yeah but I am sure they will get more direct business benefit like half a dozen reactors or so
 
VIENNA: An influential world body that controls nuclear exports will address the sensitive issue of closer ties with India – which is outside the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) – at an annual meeting this week, a draft agenda obtained by Reuters showed.

The United States, Britain and others have argued that nuclear-armed India should join the secretive 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) – established in 1975 to ensure that civilian atomic trade is not diverted for military purposes.

But other NSG states have voiced doubt about accepting a country that built up a nuclear arsenal outside a 189-nation treaty set up four decades ago to prevent states from acquiring such weapons of mass destruction.

Days ahead of the June 26-27 NSG meeting in Buenos Aires, India said it was ratifying an agreement, a so-called Additional Protocol, with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to expand oversight over its civilian nuclear programme.

The United States said this marked another “important step in bringing India into the international non-proliferation mainstream.” But some critics questioned the step's significance, as it would not affect India's nuclear weapons programme and sensitive atomic fuel activities.

They said the Indian agreement was a much weaker version of a deal most other IAEA members have, giving the UN watchdog wide inspection powers to make sure there are no covert nuclear activities in a country.:devil::devil::devil::devil:

“India's version of the Additional Protocol is a paper tiger,” said Daryl Kimball of the US-based Arms Control Association, a research and advocacy group.:flame::flame::flame:
(something is burning)

A diplomatic source said he did not expect any decision on the membership issue at the NSG plenary meeting in Argentina's capital, suggesting it would take more time.

The diplomatic tussle centres on whether the emerging power should be allowed into a key forum deciding rules for civilian nuclear trade, even though it never joined the 1970 Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), under which it would have to give up its nuclear weapons.

The agenda for the meeting on Thursday and Friday said members would be “invited to a general discussion on the NSG's relationship with India,” without giving details on this point.

Chinese reservations
The NSG's outgoing chair before Argentina takes over, the Czech Republic, is to report on “consultations with India regarding dialogue and cooperation” with member states.

India – Asia's third-largest economy – would need the support of all NSG states to join the cartel that has a pivotal role in countering nuclear threats and proliferation.

If India eventually were to become a member, it would boost its standing as an atomic power. It would be the only member of the suppliers group that has not signed up to the NPT.
Supporters say it is better if the country is inside than outside the NSG as it is already an advanced nuclear energy power and will in future become a significant exporter as well.

Those who are sceptical argue it could erode the credibility of the NPT, which is a cornerstone of global nuclear disarmament efforts.

Diplomats have said that China and some others have been doubtful. Beijing's reservations are believed to be influenced by its ties to its ally Pakistan, India's rival, which has also tested atomic bombs and is also outside the NPT, analysts say.

To receive civilian nuclear exports, nations that are not one of the five officially recognised nuclear arms states – those that had known arsenals before the NPT was hatched – must usually place their nuclear activities under IAEA safeguards.

When the United States sealed a nuclear supply deal with India in 2008 that China and others found questionable because Delhi is outside the NPT, Washington won an NSG waiver from that rule after long and contentious negotiations in Vienna.
Atomic export group to discuss ties with India - World - DAWN.COM
Recall earlier I had said


Earlier we had a waiver to do N-commerce
NOW WE MAY GET FULL NSG MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT SIGNING THE NPT. ONLY COUNTRY TO DO SO.

:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:
Burn haters Burn.

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
@Indischer @wolfschanzze @jha @Android @JanjaWeed @arp2041 @Tshering22
and the BDian @levina and closet commie @Ravi Nair
@SwAggeR
One more question remains. WHAT DOES THE USA GET? eagerly awaiting september.
:usflag:
What does USA get?
They try to get us into their camp carrot and stick method.Right now it's all carrots as Usa want us against China.
 
India is home of more than 15% of Humanity. India cannot be compared to Israel, Pakistan and North Korea.
 
Yeah but I am sure they will get more direct business benefit like half a dozen reactors or so

Hey... A friend of mine asked me this question and i couldn't give exact answer.... " what do Russians get in return by investing and building the nuclear reactor in Koodankuam??? Anyone ??????????
 
VIENNA: An influential world body that controls nuclear exports will address the sensitive issue of closer ties with India – which is outside the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) – at an annual meeting this week, a draft agenda obtained by Reuters showed.

The United States, Britain and others have argued that nuclear-armed India should join the secretive 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) – established in 1975 to ensure that civilian atomic trade is not diverted for military purposes.

But other NSG states have voiced doubt about accepting a country that built up a nuclear arsenal outside a 189-nation treaty set up four decades ago to prevent states from acquiring such weapons of mass destruction.

Days ahead of the June 26-27 NSG meeting in Buenos Aires, India said it was ratifying an agreement, a so-called Additional Protocol, with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to expand oversight over its civilian nuclear programme.

The United States said this marked another “important step in bringing India into the international non-proliferation mainstream.” But some critics questioned the step's significance, as it would not affect India's nuclear weapons programme and sensitive atomic fuel activities.

They said the Indian agreement was a much weaker version of a deal most other IAEA members have, giving the UN watchdog wide inspection powers to make sure there are no covert nuclear activities in a country.:devil::devil::devil::devil:

“India's version of the Additional Protocol is a paper tiger,” said Daryl Kimball of the US-based Arms Control Association, a research and advocacy group.:flame::flame::flame:
(something is burning)

A diplomatic source said he did not expect any decision on the membership issue at the NSG plenary meeting in Argentina's capital, suggesting it would take more time.

The diplomatic tussle centres on whether the emerging power should be allowed into a key forum deciding rules for civilian nuclear trade, even though it never joined the 1970 Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), under which it would have to give up its nuclear weapons.

The agenda for the meeting on Thursday and Friday said members would be “invited to a general discussion on the NSG's relationship with India,” without giving details on this point.

Chinese reservations
The NSG's outgoing chair before Argentina takes over, the Czech Republic, is to report on “consultations with India regarding dialogue and cooperation” with member states.

India – Asia's third-largest economy – would need the support of all NSG states to join the cartel that has a pivotal role in countering nuclear threats and proliferation.

If India eventually were to become a member, it would boost its standing as an atomic power. It would be the only member of the suppliers group that has not signed up to the NPT.
Supporters say it is better if the country is inside than outside the NSG as it is already an advanced nuclear energy power and will in future become a significant exporter as well.

Those who are sceptical argue it could erode the credibility of the NPT, which is a cornerstone of global nuclear disarmament efforts.

Diplomats have said that China and some others have been doubtful. Beijing's reservations are believed to be influenced by its ties to its ally Pakistan, India's rival, which has also tested atomic bombs and is also outside the NPT, analysts say.

To receive civilian nuclear exports, nations that are not one of the five officially recognised nuclear arms states – those that had known arsenals before the NPT was hatched – must usually place their nuclear activities under IAEA safeguards.

When the United States sealed a nuclear supply deal with India in 2008 that China and others found questionable because Delhi is outside the NPT, Washington won an NSG waiver from that rule after long and contentious negotiations in Vienna.
Atomic export group to discuss ties with India - World - DAWN.COM
Recall earlier I had said


Earlier we had a waiver to do N-commerce
NOW WE MAY GET FULL NSG MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT SIGNING THE NPT. ONLY COUNTRY TO DO SO.

:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:
Burn haters Burn.

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
@Indischer @wolfschanzze @jha @Android @JanjaWeed @arp2041 @Tshering22
and the BDian @levina and closet commie @Ravi Nair
@SwAggeR
One more question remains. WHAT DOES THE USA GET? eagerly awaiting september.
:usflag:
getting an entry into NSG will be a great achievement for the current government. No wonder Modi is going soft with US.. he needs to get quite a few things done with US's help before showing tehnga to them!
 
Hey... A friend of mine asked me this question and i couldn't give exact answer.... " what do Russians get in return by investing and building the nuclear reactor in Koodankuam??? Anyone ??????????
They get to sell nuke reactors which is over billion $ and lifetime supply of spares and maintainence etc. not to forget the money their construction companies make by building the project.
 
I meant they get to build a few Reactors in India. Currently the liability law is their big obstacle.
@SwAggeR

Dafaq?

I just wanted to add that NSG membership still may be a distant dream. Any speculations on this is pre-mature.Western TTs like IHS Jane are already on offensive.
 
I just wanted to add that NSG membership still may be a distant dream. Any speculations on this is pre-mature.Western TTs like IHS Jane are already on offensive.
Agreed.
They were also on the offense when it was the voting for the waiver. China objected but the chinese premier got a call from US prez. so fingers crossed.
 
What does USA get?
They try to get us into their camp carrot and stick method.Right now it's all carrots as Usa want us against China.

The point is, even if they don't let us join NSG, it doesn't matter anymore. Once thorium reactor tech goes critical, it frees our nuclear reserves and even imports for further enrichment and military use.

GOI recently agreed to allow IAEA inspectors to come into our civilian nuclear sector, which was like an Indian concession to IAEA and NSG. Once they find our civil program is completely isolated from our military, they have nothing to placate us. While for obvious reasons they cannot access our military managed nuclear side.

Technically, it is right now beneficial to get us into good books. And without any enmity, we always welcome it.

Every country uses carrot and stick method mate.

It is just that one must be strong enough to eat the carrots and break the stick if the need comes.

I just wanted to add that NSG membership still may be a distant dream. Any speculations on this is pre-mature.Western TTs like IHS Jane are already on offensive.

Whether the give us or not, it doesn't matter. Our nuclear trade is full fledged going on with even western European countries like France and even Canada for civil nuke tech.

No one will ever get access to inspect our military nuke tech anyway. So they realize that their crybaby attitude won't work anymore.

The West is not at all emotional both at individual levels and national levels.They know what they have to do.

Trade and inclusion only makes more sense.
 

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