ASEAN states should follow Indonesia, invoke Hague ruling vs China – Carpio

[striver44]

Retired Supreme Court Justice Antonio Carpio says raising the landmark ruling is the 'best and most effective' argument under international law to thwart China's encroachment of Southeast Asian states' waters

Sofia Tomacruz
Published: 6:28 PM June 2, 2020

Updated: 6:32 PM June 2, 2020

FLYING HIGH. Flags of ASEAN member-states and partners at the Philippine International Convention Center in Manila, November 10, 2017. File photo by Leanne Jazul/Rappler
MANILA, Philippines – Retired Supreme Court associate justice Antonio Carpio urged Southeast Asian nations to invoke the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s claims in the South China Sea, as he lauded Indonesia’s recent move to do so.

Carpio, who was one of the legal minds behind the Philippines’ case against China, said Indonesia’s invocation of the historic arbitral ruling in a note verbale to the United Nations was an “official acceptance of the ruling,” an example that other countries in the region should follow.

“Indonesia is using the best and most effective argument under international law to thwart China’s encroachment of its EEZ (exclusive economic zone) in the Natunas. And that is the ruling of the arbitral tribunal declaring China’s 9-dash line claim without legal or historical basis,” Carpio told Rappler.

Carpio pointed out that if countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) used the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s actions in their EEZs, they would be putting up a united front rejecting Beijing’s expansive claims in the strategic waterway.


“ASEAN states whose EEZs are encroached by China’s 9-dash line should follow the lead of Indonesia. They will be presenting a unified argument against China, an argument that has been vetted by an international tribunal,” he said.

Carpio said if countries did this, the ruling would be enforced by state practice – a move that will “further isolate China.” (READ: Carpio offers 5 ways ASEAN can counter Chinese intimidation in the South China Sea)

Indonesia’s example

Through this latest note verbale to the United Nations, Indonesia publicly and explicitly spelled out its support for the Hague ruling, as it opposed a series of circular notes filed by Being in relation to Malaysia’s application to define the limits of its extended continent shelf.

In the note, the Southeast Asian country said the ruling confirmed the country’s position on maritime features and its entitlements that "no maritime feature in the Spratly islands is entitled to an exclusive economic zone or a continental shelf of its own."

It also reiterated China’s 9-dash line map “implying historic rights claim clearly lacks international legal basis and is tantamount to upset UNCLOS 1982,” referring to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Prior to this, Indonesia had raised the arbitral ruling in a diplomatic protest against China. The protest was filed after a Chinese coast guard vessel trespassed into its exclusive economic zone.

Carpio said Indonesia also invoked the arbitral ruling in the past when it named its EEZ facing the South China Sea as the North Natuna Sea.

Like Carpio, other experts have urged Southeast Asian states to rally behind the 2016 Hague ruling as a way to unite and push back against China.

Aside from Indonesia, South China Sea observers noted Vietnam and Malaysia have expressed its support for the ruling. – Rappler.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ra...indonesia-invoke-hague-ruling-vs-china-carpio

 

[Viva_Viet]

Retired Supreme Court Justice Antonio Carpio says raising the landmark ruling is the 'best and most effective' argument under international law to thwart China's encroachment of Southeast Asian states' waters

Sofia Tomacruz
Published: 6:28 PM June 2, 2020

Updated: 6:32 PM June 2, 2020

FLYING HIGH. Flags of ASEAN member-states and partners at the Philippine International Convention Center in Manila, November 10, 2017. File photo by Leanne Jazul/Rappler
MANILA, Philippines – Retired Supreme Court associate justice Antonio Carpio urged Southeast Asian nations to invoke the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s claims in the South China Sea, as he lauded Indonesia’s recent move to do so.

Carpio, who was one of the legal minds behind the Philippines’ case against China, said Indonesia’s invocation of the historic arbitral ruling in a note verbale to the United Nations was an “official acceptance of the ruling,” an example that other countries in the region should follow.

“Indonesia is using the best and most effective argument under international law to thwart China’s encroachment of its EEZ (exclusive economic zone) in the Natunas. And that is the ruling of the arbitral tribunal declaring China’s 9-dash line claim without legal or historical basis,” Carpio told Rappler.

Carpio pointed out that if countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) used the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s actions in their EEZs, they would be putting up a united front rejecting Beijing’s expansive claims in the strategic waterway.


“ASEAN states whose EEZs are encroached by China’s 9-dash line should follow the lead of Indonesia. They will be presenting a unified argument against China, an argument that has been vetted by an international tribunal,” he said.

Carpio said if countries did this, the ruling would be enforced by state practice – a move that will “further isolate China.” (READ: Carpio offers 5 ways ASEAN can counter Chinese intimidation in the South China Sea)

Indonesia’s example

Through this latest note verbale to the United Nations, Indonesia publicly and explicitly spelled out its support for the Hague ruling, as it opposed a series of circular notes filed by Being in relation to Malaysia’s application to define the limits of its extended continent shelf.

In the note, the Southeast Asian country said the ruling confirmed the country’s position on maritime features and its entitlements that "no maritime feature in the Spratly islands is entitled to an exclusive economic zone or a continental shelf of its own."

It also reiterated China’s 9-dash line map “implying historic rights claim clearly lacks international legal basis and is tantamount to upset UNCLOS 1982,” referring to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Prior to this, Indonesia had raised the arbitral ruling in a diplomatic protest against China. The protest was filed after a Chinese coast guard vessel trespassed into its exclusive economic zone.

Carpio said Indonesia also invoked the arbitral ruling in the past when it named its EEZ facing the South China Sea as the North Natuna Sea.

Like Carpio, other experts have urged Southeast Asian states to rally behind the 2016 Hague ruling as a way to unite and push back against China.

Aside from Indonesia, South China Sea observers noted Vietnam and Malaysia have expressed its support for the ruling. – Rappler.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ra...indonesia-invoke-hague-ruling-vs-china-carpio

True.All ASEAN nations should protest against CN. If CN block SCS ( east VN sea) then the shipping trade route from ID to JP-SK will be blocked , the economy of ID-JP-SK will collapse.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Retired Supreme Court Justice Antonio Carpio says raising the landmark ruling is the 'best and most effective' argument under international law to thwart China's encroachment of Southeast Asian states' waters

Sofia Tomacruz
Published: 6:28 PM June 2, 2020

Updated: 6:32 PM June 2, 2020

FLYING HIGH. Flags of ASEAN member-states and partners at the Philippine International Convention Center in Manila, November 10, 2017. File photo by Leanne Jazul/Rappler
MANILA, Philippines – Retired Supreme Court associate justice Antonio Carpio urged Southeast Asian nations to invoke the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s claims in the South China Sea, as he lauded Indonesia’s recent move to do so.

Carpio, who was one of the legal minds behind the Philippines’ case against China, said Indonesia’s invocation of the historic arbitral ruling in a note verbale to the United Nations was an “official acceptance of the ruling,” an example that other countries in the region should follow.

“Indonesia is using the best and most effective argument under international law to thwart China’s encroachment of its EEZ (exclusive economic zone) in the Natunas. And that is the ruling of the arbitral tribunal declaring China’s 9-dash line claim without legal or historical basis,” Carpio told Rappler.

Carpio pointed out that if countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) used the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s actions in their EEZs, they would be putting up a united front rejecting Beijing’s expansive claims in the strategic waterway.


“ASEAN states whose EEZs are encroached by China’s 9-dash line should follow the lead of Indonesia. They will be presenting a unified argument against China, an argument that has been vetted by an international tribunal,” he said.

Carpio said if countries did this, the ruling would be enforced by state practice – a move that will “further isolate China.” (READ: Carpio offers 5 ways ASEAN can counter Chinese intimidation in the South China Sea)

Indonesia’s example

Through this latest note verbale to the United Nations, Indonesia publicly and explicitly spelled out its support for the Hague ruling, as it opposed a series of circular notes filed by Being in relation to Malaysia’s application to define the limits of its extended continent shelf.

In the note, the Southeast Asian country said the ruling confirmed the country’s position on maritime features and its entitlements that "no maritime feature in the Spratly islands is entitled to an exclusive economic zone or a continental shelf of its own."

It also reiterated China’s 9-dash line map “implying historic rights claim clearly lacks international legal basis and is tantamount to upset UNCLOS 1982,” referring to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Prior to this, Indonesia had raised the arbitral ruling in a diplomatic protest against China. The protest was filed after a Chinese coast guard vessel trespassed into its exclusive economic zone.

Carpio said Indonesia also invoked the arbitral ruling in the past when it named its EEZ facing the South China Sea as the North Natuna Sea.

Like Carpio, other experts have urged Southeast Asian states to rally behind the 2016 Hague ruling as a way to unite and push back against China.

Aside from Indonesia, South China Sea observers noted Vietnam and Malaysia have expressed its support for the ruling. – Rappler.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ra...indonesia-invoke-hague-ruling-vs-china-carpio

It is useless if it is unenforceable as the So-called International Arbitration Tribumal is not part of the UN. The IAT is fully sponsored and paid by Philippines and even it's Judges appointed by Philippines.
Even Australia refused to answer appear before in front of a UN Permanent Court of Arbitration and not the fake IAT as they are not compelled to do so when Timor-Leste initiated a case against her at ICJ.
Same goes for Japan by South Korea.

You people should try to file your case with ICJ if you think you have the case. Indonesia lost her case for Sipadan. Malaysia lost her case at Pasir Batu Pitch.
Indonesia and Philippines tried to do that at ICJ but ICJ rejected these case due to lack of evidence. Waste of time.
In fact MALAYSIA should filed for the return of Natuna Island seized by Indonesia.
The people there are in fact Malaysian from Trengganu.
That is why all these talk by Vietnamese as useless as the historical documents shown that they were part of Chinese Empire.
No case. That is why I constantly remind Vietnamese to be careful. China may like India take the opportunity to reunite Vietnam with China as ANNAM, the territory stolen by the French when China was weak.

 

[Leishangthem]

A bunch of unruly nations infested with foreign influence creating trouble in Asia,eh.
Can't wait for china to set them straight them by reigning in their necks.
The biggest disruptive agents of peace in South Asian Sea are the ones US managed to infiltrate deep in the administration after committing the most atrocities,one after dumping agent orange another after staging mass massacre and installing a junta,since then CIA has hands deep in their balls and never let it go.
The Thai,Cambodia,Myanmar,Singapore etc has no such problem.
Even the Philippines has reduced the manipulative strings of the US thanks to Duerte.

 

[Indos]

ASEAN has already adopted Indonesia lead Indo Pacific concept in June last year that stressed the importance for all parties to respect International Law when dealing dispute in Indo Pacific region. This acceptance has made ASEAN as a group to speak more clear about its position in SCS dispute. It is clear that China nine dash line is rejected by ASEAN since it violates UNCLOS.


ASEAN reaffirms international law as basis for sovereignty in South China Sea

• Dian Septiari
  The Jakarta Post

Jakarta / Sat, January 18, 2020 / 03:56 pm

Foreign ministers of ASEAN: Malaysia's Saifuddin Abdullah (left to right), Myanmar's Union Minister for International Cooperation Kyaw Tin, the Philippines' Teodoro Locsin, Singapore's Vivian Balakrishnan, Thailand's Don Pramudwinai, Vietnam's Pham Binh Minh, Brunei's Minister of Foreign Affairs Erywan bin Mohd Yusof, Cambodia's Prak Sokhonn, Indonesia's Retno LP Marsudi, Laos' Saleumxay Kommasith and ASEAN Secretary-General Lim Jock Hoi pose for a group photo during the ASEAN Foreign Ministers' Retreat in Nha Trang on Friday, Jan. 17. (AFP/Nhac Nguyen)

ASEAN’s top diplomats have reaffirmed the need to respect international law amid concerns over tensions in the South China Sea, where Chinese vessels have repeatedly violated other countries’ sovereign rights.

The regional bloc’s foreign ministers were in the coastal city of Nha Trang in southern Vietnam on Thursday and Friday for a closed-door retreat session, where they candidly discussed national and regional concerns, including the situation in the highly disputed South China Sea.

The meeting marks the first ASEAN meeting under the chairmanship of Vietnam.


Vietnamese Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh said all ASEAN countries voiced their concerns on land reclamations and serious incidents in the South China Sea.

He called for countries to enhance mutual trust, "exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities and avoid actions that may further complicate the situation", as well as pursue peaceful resolutions of disputes in accordance with international laws, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

“We reaffirmed that international law, including the 1982 UNCLOS, is the basis for determining sovereignty, sovereign rights and legitimate interests over maritime areas. We further reaffirmed that the 1982 UNCLOS is the overarching framework of legal order for the seas that must be respected by all countries,” he said in a statement after the meeting.

The ASEAN ministers did not mention China in their document on Friday, but the statement is an apparent reference to China, whose sweeping claims to the South China Sea were based on the so-called "nine-dash line" and were already invalidated by a 2016 international arbitration ruling favoring the other claimants.

Beijing has rejected the ruling, continuing instead to deploy military assets and exploit resources in the South China Sea.

Most recently, Chinese fishing and coast guard vessels entered Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the North Natuna Sea, which resulted in a diplomatic spat, with Indonesia saying it would never recognize China’s nine-dash line, nor would it negotiate with China.

Previously, a number of Chinese vessels were involved in a months-long standoff with Vietnamese authorities near an oil block within Vietnam’s EEZ.

China’s increasingly hostile behavior toward countries around the South China Sea might pose a threat to the early conclusion of a code of conduct (COC) in the South China Sea, a set of provisions negotiated between China and all 10 countries to manage and prevent conflict in the hotly contested waters.

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said in 2018 that the negotiations would be completed within three years’ time, and it is currently in the second reading phase, where parties begin to get into substantial points. Among the contentious issues are whether the COC will be legally binding and whether it applies only within a limited scope.

According to Pham Binh Minh, all ASEAN foreign ministers were encouraged by the progress of substantive negotiations over the early conclusion of "an effective and substantive COC that is consistent with international law", including the 1982 UNCLOS.

“We emphasized the need to maintain and promote an environment conducive to the COC negotiations, and thus welcomed practical measures that could reduce tensions and the risk of accidents, misunderstandings and miscalculation,” he said.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/seas...basis-for-sovereignty-in-south-china-sea.html

 

[striver44]

ASEAN has already adopted Indonesia lead Indo Pacific concept in June last year that stressed the the importance for all parties to respect International Law when dealing dispute in Indo Pacific region. This acceptance has made ASEAN as a group to speak more clear about its position in SCS dispute. It is clear that China nine line dash is rejected by ASEAN since it violates UNCLOS.


ASEAN reaffirms international law as basis for sovereignty in South China Sea

• Dian Septiari
  The Jakarta Post

Jakarta / Sat, January 18, 2020 / 03:56 pm

Foreign ministers of ASEAN: Malaysia's Saifuddin Abdullah (left to right), Myanmar's Union Minister for International Cooperation Kyaw Tin, the Philippines' Teodoro Locsin, Singapore's Vivian Balakrishnan, Thailand's Don Pramudwinai, Vietnam's Pham Binh Minh, Brunei's Minister of Foreign Affairs Erywan bin Mohd Yusof, Cambodia's Prak Sokhonn, Indonesia's Retno LP Marsudi, Laos' Saleumxay Kommasith and ASEAN Secretary-General Lim Jock Hoi pose for a group photo during the ASEAN Foreign Ministers' Retreat in Nha Trang on Friday, Jan. 17. (AFP/Nhac Nguyen)

ASEAN’s top diplomats have reaffirmed the need to respect international law amid concerns over tensions in the South China Sea, where Chinese vessels have repeatedly violated other countries’ sovereign rights.

The regional bloc’s foreign ministers were in the coastal city of Nha Trang in southern Vietnam on Thursday and Friday for a closed-door retreat session, where they candidly discussed national and regional concerns, including the situation in the highly disputed South China Sea.

The meeting marks the first ASEAN meeting under the chairmanship of Vietnam.


Vietnamese Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh said all ASEAN countries voiced their concerns on land reclamations and serious incidents in the South China Sea.

He called for countries to enhance mutual trust, "exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities and avoid actions that may further complicate the situation", as well as pursue peaceful resolutions of disputes in accordance with international laws, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

“We reaffirmed that international law, including the 1982 UNCLOS, is the basis for determining sovereignty, sovereign rights and legitimate interests over maritime areas. We further reaffirmed that the 1982 UNCLOS is the overarching framework of legal order for the seas that must be respected by all countries,” he said in a statement after the meeting.

The ASEAN ministers did not mention China in their document on Friday, but the statement is an apparent reference to China, whose sweeping claims to the South China Sea were based on the so-called "nine-dash line" and were already invalidated by a 2016 international arbitration ruling favoring the other claimants.

Beijing has rejected the ruling, continuing instead to deploy military assets and exploit resources in the South China Sea.

Most recently, Chinese fishing and coast guard vessels entered Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the North Natuna Sea, which resulted in a diplomatic spat, with Indonesia saying it would never recognize China’s nine-dash line, nor would it negotiate with China.

Previously, a number of Chinese vessels were involved in a months-long standoff with Vietnamese authorities near an oil block within Vietnam’s EEZ.

China’s increasingly hostile behavior toward countries around the South China Sea might pose a threat to the early conclusion of a code of conduct (COC) in the South China Sea, a set of provisions negotiated between China and all 10 countries to manage and prevent conflict in the hotly contested waters.

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said in 2018 that the negotiations would be completed within three years’ time, and it is currently in the second reading phase, where parties begin to get into substantial points. Among the contentious issues are whether the COC will be legally binding and whether it applies only within a limited scope.

According to Pham Binh Minh, all ASEAN foreign ministers were encouraged by the progress of substantive negotiations over the early conclusion of "an effective and substantive COC that is consistent with international law", including the 1982 UNCLOS.

“We emphasized the need to maintain and promote an environment conducive to the COC negotiations, and thus welcomed practical measures that could reduce tensions and the risk of accidents, misunderstandings and miscalculation,” he said.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/seas...basis-for-sovereignty-in-south-china-sea.html

one of the architect of UNCLOS is Indonesian Diplomat, Hasjim Djalal. he actually expand Indonesian EEZ by a lot (3x larger to be exact) when designing UNCLOS , we will not give up UNCLOS easily to China

Hasjim Djalal

https://www.aminef.or.id/hasjim-djalal-accomplished-diplomat/

 

[Nike]

For whoever said Natuna is Malaysian, he/she should be shut up

 

[Indos]

Natuna Islands Province, Indonesia. Huge Indonesian Territory in SCS

Natuna Island

 

[R Wing]

Retired Supreme Court Justice Antonio Carpio says raising the landmark ruling is the 'best and most effective' argument under international law to thwart China's encroachment of Southeast Asian states' waters

Sofia Tomacruz
Published: 6:28 PM June 2, 2020

Updated: 6:32 PM June 2, 2020

FLYING HIGH. Flags of ASEAN member-states and partners at the Philippine International Convention Center in Manila, November 10, 2017. File photo by Leanne Jazul/Rappler
MANILA, Philippines – Retired Supreme Court associate justice Antonio Carpio urged Southeast Asian nations to invoke the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s claims in the South China Sea, as he lauded Indonesia’s recent move to do so.

Carpio, who was one of the legal minds behind the Philippines’ case against China, said Indonesia’s invocation of the historic arbitral ruling in a note verbale to the United Nations was an “official acceptance of the ruling,” an example that other countries in the region should follow.

“Indonesia is using the best and most effective argument under international law to thwart China’s encroachment of its EEZ (exclusive economic zone) in the Natunas. And that is the ruling of the arbitral tribunal declaring China’s 9-dash line claim without legal or historical basis,” Carpio told Rappler.

Carpio pointed out that if countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) used the 2016 Hague ruling against China’s actions in their EEZs, they would be putting up a united front rejecting Beijing’s expansive claims in the strategic waterway.


“ASEAN states whose EEZs are encroached by China’s 9-dash line should follow the lead of Indonesia. They will be presenting a unified argument against China, an argument that has been vetted by an international tribunal,” he said.

Carpio said if countries did this, the ruling would be enforced by state practice – a move that will “further isolate China.” (READ: Carpio offers 5 ways ASEAN can counter Chinese intimidation in the South China Sea)

Indonesia’s example

Through this latest note verbale to the United Nations, Indonesia publicly and explicitly spelled out its support for the Hague ruling, as it opposed a series of circular notes filed by Being in relation to Malaysia’s application to define the limits of its extended continent shelf.

In the note, the Southeast Asian country said the ruling confirmed the country’s position on maritime features and its entitlements that "no maritime feature in the Spratly islands is entitled to an exclusive economic zone or a continental shelf of its own."

It also reiterated China’s 9-dash line map “implying historic rights claim clearly lacks international legal basis and is tantamount to upset UNCLOS 1982,” referring to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Prior to this, Indonesia had raised the arbitral ruling in a diplomatic protest against China. The protest was filed after a Chinese coast guard vessel trespassed into its exclusive economic zone.

Carpio said Indonesia also invoked the arbitral ruling in the past when it named its EEZ facing the South China Sea as the North Natuna Sea.

Like Carpio, other experts have urged Southeast Asian states to rally behind the 2016 Hague ruling as a way to unite and push back against China.

Aside from Indonesia, South China Sea observers noted Vietnam and Malaysia have expressed its support for the ruling. – Rappler.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ra...indonesia-invoke-hague-ruling-vs-china-carpio

True.All ASEAN nations should protest against CN. If CN block SCS ( east VN sea) then the shipping trade route from ID to JP-SK will be blocked , the economy of ID-JP-SK will collapse.

Have there also been similar efforts against the US military bases, invasions, black sites for CIA torture, etc., around the world?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Have there also been similar efforts against the US military bases, invasions, black sites for CIA torture, etc., around the world?

Thats off topic.u can open the new one and call against the US military. Just dont derail the thread.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Indonesia joins neighbors in protesting Beijing’s claims in South China Sea
https://www.thejakartapost.com/pape...sting-beijings-claims-in-south-china-sea.html

 

[Viet]

A bunch of unruly nations infested with foreign influence creating trouble in Asia,eh.
Can't wait for china to set them straight them by it reigning in their necks.
The biggest disruptive agents of peace in South Asian Sea are the ones US managed to infiltrate deep in the administration after committing the most atrocities,one after dumping agent orange another after staging mass massacre at and installing a junta,since then CIA has hands deep in their balls and never let it go.
The Thai,Cambodia,Myanmar,Singapore etc has no such problem.
Even the Philippines has reduced the manipulative strings of the US thanks to Duerte.

The root of all problem lies in China’s claim. Not anything else. If you deny I suggest you to visit a doc. If coming to a total war you can only blame yourself.

 

[nufix]

Have there also been similar efforts against the US military bases, invasions, black sites for CIA torture, etc., around the world?

Yes, at least in Indonesia. One thing that people need to know is that Indonesians are naturally suspicious of ANY foreign powers, be it the Soviets, the U.S, China, even its immediate neighboring countries.

https://www.ecolex.org/details/legi...ndonesian-waters-no-4-of-1960-lex-faoc001650/

This move is not exclusive only to China. In its history, Indonesia also challenged the U.S's freedom of navigation claim for its inter-island waters on the basis of archipelago nation which was not recognized before. Indonesia won and therefore Indonesia water territorial outreach is not measured from each island, but from the most outer island or the so called base points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri...aters of Indonesia,archipelago ("basepoints").

And there are more anti US demonstrations and rallies compared to the anti China ones.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Singapore supports China's 9 dotted line

 

[Leishangthem]

The root of all problem lies in China’s claim. Not anything else. If you deny I suggest you to visit a doc. If coming to a total war you can only blame yourself.

Please think far not short,think both for far future and what transpired in far past. If I was Vietnamese,I would've had a raging hate boner against anything west and especially the US, 24/7. How can y'all consider the destruction of China over the betterment of Vietnam itself?
The west killed tens of millions of your people, dumped agent orange and treated Vietnamese like livestock.
Yet ,being born under a world of US influence you discard it all and instead,seek enemy in its neighbor?

Vietnam can't win a war against China,but what Vietnam would only achieve is to assist the white supremacy based Imperialism on Asians; are y'all so used to the indignity served under the West that you don't even mind all that anymore ?No self-respect? bunch of hateful trolls ?is that what it is?