As a non-white, can anyone tell me why Europe and the United States defended Australia’s killing of civilians?

[letsrock]

So all German citizens were members of the Nazi party and hence were deserving of Russian cruelty - rape, mass killings and torture? Is that your position on Russian WWII war crimes?

Speaking about Soviet (again not really Russian here) cruelty in the light of what nazis did to them is ridiculous. Soviets did not even kill a tenth of civilians that nazis killed.

And morally there is no comparision - Nazis were evil. Soviets simply had another system (I am no fan of soviet by the way).

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Lol, well whatever you call yourself, it really doesn't matter.

The fact that you can't even pretend to defend your own logic makes this all the more funny.

First, there's nothing to defend since my position is unassailable. Since Western propaganda makes it its business to condemn "human rights violations", when they fail to do so when an ally does it, it makes them hypocritical pricks and it implies they condone it. It doesn't imply the same thing when I don't condemn something because I'm not one of them. Do you understand that or is this argument too complicated for you?

Second, do you think "defending" a position by handing out negative ratings (like that crap means anything) like you do counts? You have the insufferable smugness of a freshman taking Philosophy 101. Don't think you have anything to teach me or anyone else here about logic. Keep taking the follow-up courses and you might one day come to realize how foolish you look.

Sadly it has had the opposite effect the Chinese image of the Aussie soldier has solidified Aussie publish opinion against any attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice.

Australia is a country of barbarians and they're behaving like barbarians. Before you object, understand that you're the one tarring them with that label. You say that they were about to "bring the perpetrators to justice", but because a middling Chinese official posted a piece of political art on his Twitter account, they're not going to do that. Shows what the West really thinks of the "rule of law."

 

[rott]

They'll be calling you Indian or Vietnamese instead in 5...4...3...2...1

You're just a fake white paint.

 

[dbc]

Australia is a country of barbarians and they're behaving like barbarians. Before you object, understand that you're the one tarring them with that label. You say that they were about to "bring the perpetrators to justice", but because a middling Chinese official posted a piece of political art on his Twitter account, they're not going to do that. Shows what the West really thinks of the "rule of law."

You live in the West, unless you live under a rock you should know public opinion largely influences state action.
China is just trying to score points using dead Afghans - If China was really a force for good no one would object to your FM raising the issue.

The sad truth is there are no saints among us. And in all of this the Afghans who have suffered foreign brutality for hundreds of years have no voice.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You're just a fake white paint.

You're Indian/Vietnamese/Martian

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Absolutely stunning, given the relative level of education some American guests on this thread clearly have, that they readily engage in obfuscation and misdirection to absolve a criminal nation of any guilt whatsoever, while condemning the condemnation instead.

Can the Americans leaping to Australia's defence clarify why nations engaged since WW2 in democracy-spreading in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, central America, South America, Iran, Pakistan, various eastern European nations and the Balkans believe it is acceptable to smear and silence those who peacefully protest against such acts occurring which inevitably and repeatedly cause mass civilian deaths? It is a form of censorship and is moreover, the absolute epitome of whataboutism. China simply has not got this record of rampaging without a care for innocent lives throughout foreign continents. Therefore China has every right to highlight western war crimes through direct criticism or satirical protest. Iran and Russia and Turkey and a hundred other nations have equivalent right. NATO countries have embarrassed themselves with this episode. Westerners need to learn to control their simple greed and rein in some of their own corporations, militaries and politicians, who terrorise other nations for personal gains.

Well spoken China. The civilised world looks forward to further exposes of western hypocrisy.

 

[That Guy]

First, there's nothing to defend since my position is unassailable. Since Western propaganda makes it its business to condemn "human rights violations", when they fail to do so when an ally does it, it makes them hypocritical pricks and it implies they condone it. It doesn't imply the same thing when I don't condemn something because I'm not one of them. Do you understand that or is this argument too complicated for you?

You're engaging in post hoc fallacies.

Once again, you fail to understand how basic geopolitics works.

I do not, and never have made a moral argument, mine is a fairly common sense argument to make. All you're doing is trying to appeal to emotions.

I have said before, and I'll say it again, China does not care about these war crimes. The US does not care about these war crimes. The EU does not care about these war crimes. The only ones who care are the ones who were directly involved.

What about this stance have you contradicted?

Let me repeat another thing, these china vs Australia threads are nothing more than propaganda threads, nothing more.

I will once again ask, because I was told there was clear as day evidence by people in this very thread, when did the US and EU defend Australia's war crimes? My point being, they don't care enough to comment on them, so yes, I do agree 100% on the fact that they are 100% hypocritical in this regard.

Once again, I ask, where have you successfully contradicted my points?

Silence does not mean condoning or consent. In this case, it's very clear that they're indifferent. Your logic is flawed.

And yes, it does apply to you, because regardless of your own, or in this case, the US's and EU's past, the same basic logic applies.

No one is immune.

Your argument is not unassailable.

Second, do you think "defending" a position by handing out negative ratings (like that crap means anything) like you do counts? You have the insufferable smugness of a freshman taking Philosophy 101. Don't think you have anything to teach me or anyone else here about logic. Keep taking the follow-up courses and you might one day come to realize how foolish you look.

If it means nothing, why bring it up?

Funny how you can't attack my position, so you opt to attack my character. The sign of defeated.

If you actually looked at the reason why I gave those negative ratings, which I've repeated multiple times, you wouldn't have made such a dumbass comment here.

Let me repeat it for you, he was purposefully strawmaning me. He deliberately misinterpreted my comment, and attacked me on comments I never made.

Is that clear enough for you?

You have the insufferable smugness of a freshman taking Philosophy 101.

Nah, you're just upset that you can't defend your arguments, so you have to engage in character assassination.

All I asked for was clear evidence that the US and EU defended Australian war crimes. I received none.

At this point, you and a lot of people in this thread are only arguing for the sake of it

 

[dbc]

China simply has not got this record of rampaging without a care for innocent lives throughout foreign continents.

Boy you sure pick'em cherries real good.

You completely absolved China of her role in the millions killed in Cambodia - yup! same continent so doesn't count.
What about tens of thousands of people burnt to death in their own city - once again same continent - my bad!

You are so right China is so innocent.

Like I said before Foreign Ministry level trolling isn't really bringing justice to the people killed by Australian troops.
If China really wants to be the beacon of the civilized world it will have to do more than photoshop images.

 

[hualushui]

A three year old can figure that out. The Chinese foreign ministry descended to internet troll levels to try and humiliate Australia.
Sadly it has had the opposite effect the Chinese image of the Aussie soldier has solidified Aussie publish opinion against any attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice.

If China truly cared she would assemble the victims and take the case to Dan Hague ICJ.

The United States threatened to sanction those prosecutors and judges who investigated the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by American soldiers. Now you are going to China to hand over those Australian criminal soldiers to the International Court of Justice. What then? No prosecution and acquittal.

What a hypocritical guy

You live in the West, unless you live under a rock you should know public opinion largely influences state action.
China is just trying to score points using dead Afghans - If China was really a force for good no one would object to your FM raising the issue.

The sad truth is there are no saints among us. And in all of this the Afghans who have suffered foreign brutality for hundreds of years have no voice.

Since Americans are not saints, why do the US government and media always criticize China, Pakistan, Africa, and Russia? Hypocritical

If China really wants to be the beacon of the civilized world it will have to do more than photoshop images.

An anti-intellectual guy, don’t know what CG pictures are

 

[hualushui]

You live in the West, unless you live under a rock you should know public opinion largely influences state action.
China is just trying to score points using dead Afghans - If China was really a force for good no one would object to your FM raising the issue.

The sad truth is there are no saints among us. And in all of this the Afghans who have suffered foreign brutality for hundreds of years have no voice.

Don’t you know that American soldiers, Japan and Germany, committed the crime of raping women?

 

[dbc]

Don’t you know that American soldiers, Japan and Germany, committed the crime of raping women?
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of course and its one of the many shameful chapters in US history. No excuses, no justification ...just shame.

 

[Beidou2020]

Absolutely stunning, given the relative level of education some American guests on this thread clearly have, that they readily engage in obfuscation and misdirection to absolve a criminal nation of any guilt whatsoever, while condemning the condemnation instead.

You know why the Western countries got so angry at China criticising their war crimes?

Because in the minds of white supremacists, non-whites aren’t allowed to criticise them. That’s what all of this comes down to. It is white supremacy.

In their white supremacist minds, it was like ‘how dare you lowly non-white lecture us’.

In the minds of white supremacists, they are allowed to rape and slaughter any number of non-whites because they consider non-whites as mere insects.

 

[colonel rajesh]

As long as a normal human being, it is known that the slaughter of civilians is a crime, is not allowed by international law, and is a war crime.
The Australian government recognizes the criminal behavior of Australian soldiers, and the Australian media also criticizes these soldiers.
But after China criticized Australia, the situation changed completely.
All western governments support Australia, and all western media also support Australia.
I think this is too strange. The Australian government was still apologizing the day before, but the attitude was completely reversed the next day.
What is the psychological state of this transition? How to explain this shift?

************

My focus is how to explain this shift.
The popular opinion on the Chinese Internet is that white arrogance, white supremacy, double standards.
I want to know what people in other countries think? Do you agree with this explanation

china was doing propaganda .

 

[hualushui]

china was doing propaganda .

You Indians often say that India is a friend of Afghanistan, and the Indian government often advocates that India provides a lot of aid to Afghanistan.
However, whenever India encounters Western countries committing crimes in Afghanistan, India always abandons Afghanistan and chooses to embrace Western countries.

India’s affection for Afghanistan is as cheap as cow dung

 

[shanlung]

I understand what you're talking about, I just don't care about it, because what you're doing is engaging in logical fallacies.

Your english fine, but your logic is bad.

Youre using the same arguments that american fascists use.Just because Candace Owens exists and is doing just fine, doesn't mean black people aren't being shot and oppressed in the USA.

Your personal experience, if true, is meaningless to this argument. Anecdotal evidence is worthless in debates and arguments.

I suspect you already know all this, and are purposefully engaging in bad faith arguments.

Clearly another S-hole.
Not even amusing S Hole
But one destined to join the used toilet papers and used condoms and used sanitary towels and cockroaches feasting on that and likely to be his intellectual superiors too.

So into ignore bin with him and he can bore the flora and fauna in there with his pseudo intellectual diarrhea.