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those who have relatives in the army must know by now.

- Officers have been called back to their units
- Army leaves have been canceled!
- Troops may pull back from FATA to eastern front
- Heavy deployment has been started (and this is ant no usual exercise)!
 
Pakistan Moves Troops From Tribal Areas to Border With India
By Shaiq Hussain
Special to The Washington Post
Saturday, December 27, 2008


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, -- Pakistan began deploying thousands of additional troops to its border with India on Friday amid rising tension in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in Mumbai last month.

Officials ordered army personnel on leave to report for duty and moved troops from Pakistan's border with Afghanistan and adjacent tribal areas, where they had been deployed to counter the Taliban and al-Qaeda insurgency.

Some media reports suggested that as many as 20,000 Pakistani troops were redeployed. But a senior Pakistani security official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that the moves involved no more than 5,000 troops.

"We are taking the minimum required defensive steps for our security in the face of Indian troops' escalation at the border," he said. "Reports of heavy redeployment of Pakistani forces are false."

Pakistan and India, both nuclear-armed nations, have traded angry statements since India accused "elements" in Pakistan of planning the siege in Mumbai last month that left at least 170 people dead, including six Americans. Indian officials say the banned Pakistan-based group Lashkar-i-Taiba carried out the attacks and have demanded that Pakistan do more to stamp out such groups. Pakistan has denied any government role in the attacks.

In New Delhi, government officials met to discuss Pakistan's reported troop buildup.

Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee warned Pakistan against diverting its attention from fighting terrorism and called on its leaders to "bring to book the perpetrators of [the] Mumbai terrorist attack."

"We would expect instead of raising war hysteria, they will address this problem," he said.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met with the chiefs of the army, navy and air force and later with his government colleagues to discuss security preparedness. The government also warned Indians against traveling to Pakistan.

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani said his country would avoid launching a military action but would retaliate with full force if attacked.

"We will not take any action on our own. There will be no aggression from our side," he said.

The United States urged the countries to cooperate in fighting terrorism.

"We hope that both sides will avoid taking steps that will unnecessarily raise tensions during these already tense times," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

The Pakistani security official said the additional troops were deployed near the cities of Kasur and Sialkot in Punjab province as well as the Line of Control, the de facto border dividing Kashmir, a region that has been claimed by both countries since the bloody partition of the subcontinent in 1947.

The official said the troops were removed from areas where insurgents were inactive because of the snowy winter.

Pakistan's chief military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, could not be reached for comment on the reports.

Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, welcomed the government's decision to withdraw some troops from the tribal areas. "We will not attack the convoys of army withdrawing from tribal areas as it is a good development," he said, adding that the Taliban would help defend Pakistan against any aggression.

In Dera Ismail Khan, a Pakistani city near the tribal area of South Waziristan, residents said they saw dozens of military trucks moving from the frontier area on their way to the Indian border.

"I saw many trucks loaded with Pakistani soldiers moving from Waziristan early Friday morning," said Rahimullah, a shopkeeper in Dera Ismail Khan who was contacted by telephone. He said a soldier told him they were going to the Indian border.

Correspondent Rama Lakshmi in New Delhi contributed to this report.
 
The 14th division is on the move and will be deployed in two areas, Sialkot and Kasur.
 
Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, welcomed the government's decision to withdraw some troops from the tribal areas. "We will not attack the convoys of army withdrawing from tribal areas as it is a good development," he said, adding that the Taliban would help defend Pakistan against any aggression.

Ha! where are all the Indians now who're always so keen on whining and bitching about how "Pakistan will be separated by the Taliban into pieces"?!?!

Even though there are HUNDREDS of statements like these from the taliban, the Indians (Forced by their nature of denial) are never convinced. Such ignorance!
 
its a good move, & it will give pakistan some better opprtunities...!
 
US urging calm over possible Pakistan troop moves
Saturday, December 27, 2008

WASHINGTON: U.S. officials watched with growing concern Friday as reports suggested Pakistan was massing troops to the India border. Such a move raises double-barreled worries: A possible confrontation between two nuclear powers and a shift by the Pakistani military away from battling the Taliban along its western Afghan edge. :azn:
Stratching..---..of 'Powers' by fears ....:lol:

"We hope that both sides will avoid taking steps that will unnecessarily raise tensions during these already tense times," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

U.S. military leaders have been urging both India and Pakistan to exercise restraint in the wake of the deadly Mumbai attacks that many believe originated with Pakistan-based militants.

On Friday, U.S. intelligence and military officials were still trying to determine if the reported troop movements were true, and, if so, what Pakistan's intent may be. And they cautioned that the reports may be exaggerated, aimed more at delivering a message than dispatching forces.

Officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

U.S. defense leaders have been worried about a new flare-up between Pakistan and India ever since the coordinated terror attacks in India's financial capital of Mumbai last month that killed 164 people.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, was in Pakistan twice this month, and as many as seven times in the past year. In recent meetings with senior Pakistani leaders he has urged restraint and encouraged both sides to find ways to work together.

One senior military official said Friday that the U.S. is monitoring the issue, but still could not confirm assertions from Pakistani intelligence officials that some 20,000 troops were on the move, heading to the Indian border.

A key concern for U.S. officials is that some of those troops may have been stationed along the volatile Afghan border, and were being diverted to the Indian side.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Mullen, who have both been in the region in recent weeks, have expressed the hope that Pakistan would stay focused on fighting militants in its mountainous northwestern Federally Administered Tribal Areas, or FATA. :lol:

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Lol...its really amazing to know the wisdom of these guys Gates+Mullen, how stupid they are (who served at top positions, as the fortune makers)one can not imagine that Pakistan facing a severe threat on her eaetern border, while they are urging to stay at north west to remain for supporting and securing their benefits, even @ cost of its own sovereignity & security,:eek:
Well...Its OK... let we can think ... but can they guarantee for the security of every inch of Pakistan with out charging & chanting about cost (as Pakistan already suffering heavy losses due to front line allies in WOT, (imposed without consultation). Further, if they will gurantee ..then who will attested and reconfirm the geniunness of their promise (guarantee), as we have bitter experience in past (about 7th flleet, which never reach to the destination as yet).
Further, these guys making fool their own nation, throwing money for oppression intented projects rather, with dream to conquer the globe....while couldn't get real model or medel as yet, in history to prove their true conquerance rather then hattered for nation:tsk:.......the group of these few hijacked american nation /politics and became habitual by practicing misleads to their own nation and to the global community... later they asks for pardons on their failures:azn:
So, enough is enough ... now we have to prefer our security rather....(which is being complicated just due to double role of the same so called friends) then to others. :coffee:
 
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india better watch out
but i hope the tribal lakshar against the militants can defeat the taliban without us
 
If need be we must deploy our Army to New Delhi and Mumbai and Jammu & Srinagar....
 
Indian war mongering and taking the IAF to high alert is helping the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
 
Indian war mongering and taking the IAF to high alert is helping the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

What will you do if there was no War in the end. You have to go back to the western side, by that time Taliban and Al-Qaeda would have wreaked havoc. It seems you will be losing more by moving your troops to eastern side unless there is no war.

Time for some pondering. :coffee:
 
What will you do if there was no War in the end. You have to go back to the western side, by that time Taliban and Al-Qaeda would have wreaked havoc. It seems you will be losing more by moving your troops to eastern side unless there is no war.

Time for some pondering. :coffee:

i guess you missed this news.

"Meanwhile Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, welcomed the government's decision to withdraw some troops from the tribal areas. "We will not attack the convoys of army withdrawing from tribal areas as it is a good development," he said, adding that the Taliban would help defend Pakistan against any aggression."
 
i guess you missed this news.

"Meanwhile Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, welcomed the government's decision to withdraw some troops from the tribal areas. "We will not attack the convoys of army withdrawing from tribal areas as it is a good development," he said, adding that the Taliban would help defend Pakistan against any aggression."

What if there is no Indian aggression and no surgical attacks from Indian side. How long they are going to wait?. IMO, the moment they see a window of opportunity of free reign they will grab it (like they did when there was cease fire before) and wreak havoc, that will be their best chance to consolidate their position.
 
What if there is no Indian aggression and no surgical attacks from Indian side. How long they are going to wait?. IMO, the moment they see a window of opportunity of free reign they will grab it (like they did when there was cease fire before) and wreak havoc, that will be their best chance to consolidate their position.

Chill relax no need to worry about our borders we know how to take care of them there are already contingency plans for them, I think you should concentrate on your borders and worry about the problems in your country to tackle Hindu extremists who are unleashing reign of terror.
 
What will you do if there was no War in the end. You have to go back to the western side, by that time Taliban and Al-Qaeda would have wreaked havoc. It seems you will be losing more by moving your troops to eastern side unless there is no war.

Time for some pondering. :coffee:

Taliban and Alqaida is a very vogue term. Those blasting bombs in Pakistan has no links with real Talibans fighting for the occupation of their homeland and against the rule of minority northern alliance over majority Pashtuns.

terror attacks in Pakistan are clearly a tactic of selling Pakistan the word Taliban as an enemy, where as those self claimed Taliban are nothing more than bunch of foreign funded terrorists in many cases they are not even Muslims. They invent and use new name in every terror attack.
Those groups were nonexistent till indian army moved in to Afghanistan.

Pakistan's north/eastern terror is emanating from south/west so in case of war it makes sense to strike at the heart of terror.

I think it will be stupid to waste this opportunity to pull out from eastern border where we are wasting tax payers money and soldiers, while compliments from our allys are missing.
Our allys had been compalining for all the time, hence they should be the last one to worried about with the pull out.
We should only stay there if it helps our allys, other wise we should devise our own strategy for our own threats.
 

Associated Press Writer Chris Brummitt
Sat Dec 27, 2008

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Pakistan told India on Saturday it did not want war and was committed to fighting terrorism — a move apparently aimed at reducing tensions after Pakistan moved troops toward their shared border.

Intelligence officials said Friday that the army was redeploying thousands of troops from the country's fight against militants along the Afghan border to the Indian frontier — an alarming scenario for the West as it tries to get Pakistan to neutralize the al-Qaida threat.

Islamabad also announced it was canceling all military leave — the latest turn of the screw in the rising tensions between the nuclear-armed neighbors following last month's terror attack on the Indian financial capital of Mumbai.

India has blamed Pakistani militants for the terrifying three-day siege. Pakistan's recently elected civilian government has demanded that India back up the claim with better evidence but has also said it is committed to fighting the "cancer" of terrorism.

"We ourselves have accepted that we have a cancer," said Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari in a televised speech Saturday. "They are forcing their agenda on us."

Zardari has pledged to battle militancy, repeatedly reminding critics that his wife, Benazir Bhutto, was herself killed in a gun-and-suicide bomb attack blamed on terrorists.

Tens of thousands of Pakistanis visited her grave Saturday to mark the first anniversary of her assassination.

But in the four months since Zardari took power — picking up the reins of her Pakistan People's Party in the wake of her death — Islamist violence has continued largely unabated.

Many analysts have speculated that the assailants who carried out the Mumbai attacks sought to distract Pakistan by redirecting its focus toward India and away from the military campaign against al-Qaida and Taliban militants on the Afghan border.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said Saturday it was unfortunate that a "sort of war hysteria" has been created in Pakistan.

"I appeal to Pakistan and Pakistani leaders, do not unnecessarily try to create tension," he said, according to the Press Trust of India news agency. "Do not try to deflect the issue. A problem has to be tackled face to face."

Pakistan's latest moves, including the troop redeployment, were seen as an indication that it will retaliate if India launches air or missile strikes against militant targets on Pakistani soil — rather than as a signal that a fourth war between the two countries was imminent.

The United States has been trying to ease the burgeoning crisis while also pressing Pakistan to crack down on the militants Washington says were likely responsible for the Mumbai attack. The siege left 164 people dead after gunmen targeted 10 sites including two five-star hotels and a Jewish center.

Two Pakistani intelligence officials — requesting anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation — said Friday that elements of the army's 14th Infantry Division were being redeployed from the militant hotspot of Waziristan to the towns of Kasur and Sialkot, close to the Indian border.

The military began the troop movement Thursday and plans to shift a total of 20,000 soldiers — about one-fifth of those in the tribal areas, they said without providing a timeframe.

Witnesses reported seeing long convoys carrying troops and equipment toward India on Thursday and Friday, but there was no sign of fresh movement Saturday, suggesting the country was not rushing the troops to the frontier.

Another intelligence official said Saturday up to 1,300 troops had also been pulled out of Bajur region, the scene of a major Pakistani offensive against the Taliban. They were transported to a large base back from the Afghan border, said the official, also speaking on condition of anonymity. But their final destination was not immediately known.

The army has refused comment on any troop movement, but a senior Pakistani security official Friday denied that soldiers were being deployed to the Indian border.

He said a "limited number" of soldiers were being shifted from areas "where they were not engaged in any operations on the western border or from areas which were snowbound."

Pakistan and India have fought three wars since their independence from Britain in 1947, two over Kashmir, a majority Muslim region in the Himalayas claimed by both countries.

India and Pakistan have said they want to avoid military conflict over the Mumbai attacks, and most analysts say war is unlikely, not least because both sides have too much to lose if conflict breaks out.

But India — which is under domestic pressure to respond aggressively to the attacks — has not ruled out the use of force.
 

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