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Well Arjun even indian army got sick of it plz it is a failed project thats why india bought huge numbers in T 90 tank

where th hell do these guys go after posting a troll seed post...never see them again:what:...''i have heard from my sources that this has failed, project is a disaster, you are doomed'' ,when asked to provide a credible source they have bollocks.some kind of joint:smokin:, may be where they go and plan for future theories...:sniper:
 
Arjun could be a good tank. But base on how Indian army treats and rejected the tank, it can be seen as a failure. If India with its emerging military industrial complex build its first tank and rejected by the army for a foreign model, it would be preceived as a failure no matter how good the tank is.
 
. The Mark I could engage targets only under static conditions. However, the Army wanted this version to engage in static and moving conditions so we incorporated them,” said Sivakumar.

@Choppers

does this mean that arjun can't engage target while on move !!!

chopper sir i cudn't get this one ......
plzz advice ..... thanks in advance .
 
Arjun could be a good tank. But base on how Indian army treats and rejected the tank, it can be seen as a failure. If India with its emerging military industrial complex build its first tank and rejected by the army for a foreign model, it would be preceived as a failure no matter how good the tank is.

Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90

to clarify your doubts please read this...

Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi March 25, 2010, 0:18 IST
India’s home-built Arjun tank has emerged a conclusive winner from its showdown with the Russian T-90. A week of comparative trials, conducted by the army at the Mahajan Ranges, near Bikaner in Rajasthan, has ended; the results are still officially secret. But, Business Standard has learned from multiple sources who were involved in the trials that the Arjun tank has outperformed the T-90 on every crucial parameter.

The trial pitted one squadron (14 tanks) of Arjuns against an equal number of T-90s. Each squadron was given three tactical tasks; each involved driving across 50 kilometres of desert terrain and then shooting at a set of targets. Each tank had to fire at least 10 rounds, stationary and on the move, with each hit being carefully logged. In total, each tank drove 150 kilometres and fired between 30-50 rounds. The trials also checked the tanks’ ability to drive through a water channel 5-6 feet deep.


The Arjun tanks, the observers all agreed, performed superbly. Whether driving cross-country over rugged sand-dunes; detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets; or accurately hitting targets, both stationery and moving, with pinpoint gunnery; the Arjun demonstrated a clear superiority over the vaunted T-90.
“The Arjun could have performed even better, had it been operated by experienced crewmen”, says an officer who has worked on the Arjun. “As the army’s tank regiments gather experience on the Arjun, they will learn to exploit its capabilities.” With the trial report still being compiled — it is expected to reach Army Headquarters after a fortnight — neither the army, nor the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), which developed the Arjun tank in Chennai at the Central Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE), are willing to comment officially about the trials.

The importance of this comparative trial can be gauged from a list of those who attended. Witnessing the Arjun in action were most of the army’s senior tank generals, including the Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen D Bhardwaj; strike corps commander, Lt Gen Anil Chait; Army Commander South, Lt Gen Pradeep Khanna; and Deputy Chief of the Army Staff, Lt Gen JP Singh. The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen AS Sekhon also attended the trials.

Over the last four months, the army had systematically signalled that it did not want to buy more Arjuns. The message from senior officers was — 124 Arjun tanks have been bought already; no more would be ordered for the army’s fleet of 4000 tanks. The comparative trial, or so went the message, was merely to evaluate what operational role could be given to the army’s handful of Arjuns.

“The senior officers who attended the trials were taken aback by the Arjun’s strong performance,” an officer who was present through the trials frankly stated. “But they were also pleased that the Arjun had finally come of age.”

The army’s Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF), which has bitterly opposed buying more Arjuns, will now find it difficult to sustain that opposition. In keeping out the Arjun, the DGMF has opted to retain the already obsolescent T-72 tank in service for another two decades, spending thousands of crores in upgrading its vintage systems.

Now, confronted with the Arjun’s demonstrated capability, the army will face growing pressure to order more Arjuns.

The current order of 124 Arjuns is equipping the army’s 140 Armoured Brigade in Jaisalmer. With that order almost completed, the Arjun production line at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi, near Chennai, needs more orders urgently. The Rs 50 crore facility can churn out 50 Arjuns annually. That would allow for the addition of close to one Arjun regiment each year (a regiment is authorised 62 tanks).

Tank experts point out that conducting trials only in Mahajan does not square with the army’s assertion that they are evaluating a role for the Arjun. Says Major General HM Singh, who oversaw the Arjun’s development for decades, “If they were evaluating where the Arjun should be deployed, they should have conducted the trials in different types of terrain: desert, semi-desert, plains and riverine. It seems as if the army has already decided to employ the Arjun in the desert.”

The Arjun’s sterling performance in the desert raises another far-reaching question: should the Arjun — with its proven mobility, firepower and armour protection — be restricted to a defensive role or should it equip the army’s strike corps for performing a tank’s most devastating (and glamorous) role: attacking deep into enemy territory during war? Each strike corps has 8-9 tank regiments. If the army recommends the Arjun for a strike role, that would mean an additional order of about 500 Arjuns.

But Business Standard has learned that senior officers are hesitant to induct the Arjun into strike corps. Sources say the Arjun will be kept out of strike formations on the grounds that it is incompatible with other strike corps equipment, e.g. assault bridges that cannot bear the 60-tonne weight of the Arjun.
 
Arjun could be a good tank. But base on how Indian army treats and rejected the tank, it can be seen as a failure. If India with its emerging military industrial complex build its first tank and rejected by the army for a foreign model, it would be preceived as a failure no matter how good the tank is.

ARJUN IS A GOOD TANK,the army is smart enough to induct the right number of tanks 248 is not that bad knowing that another order may come up...:cheers:
Also the new Arjun mkII will be rolling out in 2012 tank warfare in good sense will be happening only on our western border and for that we have sufficient and good enough killer machines A.K.A T-90 & ARJUN:chilli: so dont worry much 300 of these beasts and a new generation mk2 will be the tip of the arrow:sniper:
 
New Delhi. The Indian Army will soon place orders for 124 additional Arjun main battle tanks (MBTs) to boost its firepower after the tank outperformed the Russian-built T-90 tanks in the recent grueling trials in Thar desert.




The Army had earlier contracted for 124 Arjun tanks, built by the premier military research organization Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

“The Army has decided to place fresh order for an additional 124 Arjuns. This is over and above the existing order of 124 tanks. The development follows the success of the indigenous MBT Arjun in the recent gruelling desert trials,” defence spokesperson Sitanshu Kar said.

The 60-tonne tank is built at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi, near Chennai that has the capability of producing 50 Arjuns annually.

The decision to order more Arjun tanks comes days after the government in May 2010 decided to go for the second generation Arjun.

This add-on order could be considered as "the final verdict on a platform" that has been 36 years in the making and which has cost the exchequer Rs.3.5 billion ($71.7 million). The project for the design and development of the MBT Arjun was approved by the Government in 1974 with an aim to give the required indigenous cutting edge to the Mechanised Forces.

“After many years of trial and tribulation it has now proved its worth by its superb performance under various circumstances, such as driving cross-country over rugged sand dunes, detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets, accurately hitting targets – both stationary and moving, with pin pointed accuracy.

“Its superior fire-power is based on accurate and quick target acquisition capability during day and night in all types of weather and shortest possible reaction time during combat engagements,” Kar added.

One regiment of the Arjun tanks (comprising 45 tanks), already being inducted in the Army, were assessed against the T-90s in a month long trials conducted at Mahajan Range in Rajasthan beginning March 1.

Sources present at the site of the trials told India Strategic “the tank outgunned the T-90s by 30 percent in nearly hundred parameters compared by the user (the Army).”

Experts from mechanised forces and officials from the DRDO witnessed the comparative trials.

The DRDO had handed over 16 tanks to the Indian Army last year, completing one regiment of 45 tanks. The regiment was then subjected to conversion training and field practice.

The DRDO’s demand for the comparative trials of the two tanks was being seen as a last-ditch bid to save the Arjun as some 500 tanks would need to be acquired by the army to make the project feasible.

The army, however, made it clear that it will buy no more than the 124 Arjuns it has contracted for because it was unhappy with the tank on various counts, particulalrly its heavy weight. This apart, the army says the Arjun can at best remain in service for five to 10 years while it is looking 20 years ahead and needs a futuristic MBT.

The army’s stand has been contrary to a third-party assessment by an internationally reputed tank manufacturer.

A DRDO official said: “As suggested by the army, Arjun tanks were subjected to rigorous trials and assessment in a third-party audit. After the extensive evaluation, the auditor confirmed that Arjun is an excellent tank with very good mobility and firepower characteristics suitable for Indian deserts.”

“They (the auditor) also gave inputs on production procedures for further enhancing the performance of Arjun tanks. DRDO will be incorporating all these inputs before the next lot of 62 tanks is handed over to army by March 2010,” the official added.

The Indian Army laid down its qualitative requirement for the Arjun in 1972. In 1982, it was announced that the prototype was ready for field trials. However, the tank was publicly unveiled for the first time only in 1995.

Arjun was originally meant to be a 40-tonne tank with a 105 mm gun. It has now grown to a 60-tonne tank with a 120 mm gun. The tank was meant to supplement and eventually replace the Soviet-era T-72 MBT that was first inducted in the early 1980s.

However, delays in the Arjun project and Pakistan’s decision to purchase the T-80 from Ukraine, prompted India to order 310 T-90s, an upgraded version of the T-72, in 2001.
..:: India Strategic ::.. Army News: Army to place order for 124 more Arjun tanks
 
@Choppers

does this mean that arjun can't engage target while on move !!!

chopper sir i cudn't get this one ......
plzz advice ..... thanks in advance .
Whats the use of a tank if it cant engage target on the move?:).
Yes it can engage target while on the move..
 
@Choppers

does this mean that arjun can't engage target while on move !!!

chopper sir i cudn't get this one ......
plzz advice ..... thanks in advance .

The Arjun can target on the move.
And in fact has much better accuracy then the T-90 in this regard.

Arjun's accuracy on the move is it's strongest selling point against the T-90. Rumours of the Trials tell us the Arjun hit 5/5 targets on the move , while the T-90 only had 1/5.

Accuracy firing at a moving target while on the move is another question
 
@Choppers

does this mean that arjun can't engage target while on move !!!

chopper sir i cudn't get this one ......
plzz advice ..... thanks in advance .

Gentlemen --

I believe Flanker has asked the right question in maybe wrong way --

The logical scenarios -- for any Tank to engage a target would be --

a) Arjun is on move and the enemy tank is relatively stationary.

b) Arjun is on move and the enemy tank is also on the move -- both are trying to target each other.

a) is already present -- this has already been collaborated by news reports that emerged out of THAR trials. Arjun tank successfully enegaged enemy tank while on the move !

But point b) -- I believe is not. Targeting another moving vehicle while itself on the move is extremely complex -- note that in cases like this -- The tank should be able to take correctional measures .i.e take into account the speed of opposite tank and direction -- the system should be able to adjust the gun sight accordingly and should be able to do minor corrections while firing a projectile.

Am i making a hill out this issue ? I think not -- I think this is what DRDO will be striving to achieve in MK2.
 
@anathema

i had made alittle mistake in my ques .... thanks for correcting me ........

your scenario (b) was the one i was talking of about ......and my ques about it still remains....
 
Old tanks like T-72 and T-55 .have to stop aim and then fire if they want killier shot on the enemy tank..now new generation tanks today dont follow this policy of SHOOT AND SCOOT,Arjun during the firing trials had shocked the T-90 CREW with its new hardned systems onboard which were hitting everything with precision which came its way:smitten:
The Arjun tanks, the observers all agreed, performed superbly. Whether driving cross-country over rugged sand-dunes; detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets; or accurately hitting targets, both stationery and moving, with pinpoint gunnery; the Arjun demonstrated a clear superiority over the vaunted T-90.

“The Arjun could have performed even better, had it been operated by experienced crewmen”, says an officer who has worked on the Arjun. “As the army’s tank regiments gather experience on the Arjun, they will learn to exploit its capabilities.”[/COLOR] With the trial report still being compiled — it is expected to reach Army Headquarters after a fortnight — neither the army, nor the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), which developed the Arjun tank in Chennai at the Central Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE), are willing to comment
Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90
the systems on board Arjun are one of the best in the world
Arjun MBT features an “Auto Tracker.” The auto tracker is a system based on image processing. As the gunner sight is fixed on a target, a picture analysis takes place. When the target moves, the Arjun Tank gun and the sight gets aligned with the target and move automatically keeping the target in focus. This is particularly good in cross country, when target is moving, Arjun Tank might go through bumps or twists or turns for maneuvering, but the auto tracker will not loose the sight of the target. In normal cases with T-55 and T-72, when the tanks try to negotiate an undulation or try a defensive move, the tank commander cupola is moving to acquire the target; the guns go off target. There is a crew disorientation that takes place in such conditions and the crew ends up pointing target at opposite direction. T-90S too has similar issues but is much better than the T-72 in this case. Another aspect is, the Arjun MBT turret is a heavy mass of approximately 16- 20 tons and gun mass is about approximately 2 tons. To stabilize the turret and gun is a difficult task. Currently Arjun Tank uses something called “director mode” .The top mirror of the gunner sight of Arjun Tank is independently stabilized. A computer evaluates the elevation of both top mirror and the gun as well as the angle of the turret. There is a continuous feeding of these parameters into the computer; the computer gives electronic instructions to the gun control system. Hence the Arjun Tank gunner sight is in the middle of the target even in the cross country environment. If momentarily the gun is misaligned, the firing circuit does not open and the gunner is not able to fire. Whether Arjun MBT is static, target is static or Arjun MBT is static, target is moving or Arjun MBT is moving, target is static or both Arjun MBT and target are moving; The Arjun Tank firing accuracy remains more or less the same, and achieves a very high level of accuracy.
The Lahat missile’s laser designator module is integrated into fire control computer.:smitten::cheers::sniper:
 
^^ If this is indeed true -- then i have no clue what the article on MK2 is talking about !
 
^^ If this is indeed true -- then i have no clue what the article on MK2 is talking about !

Non actually will have a clue on wht actually goes inside the ARJUN.. Indians and Isrealis are working together on almost every defence project..a lot of stuff inside the T-90 has been changed to the best present in the world...the Arjun mkII will be a class and the most potent machine which will rain havoc on enemy armour formation:sniper:
 
the systems on board Arjun are one of the best in the world
Arjun MBT features an “Auto Tracker.” The auto tracker is a system based on image processing. As the gunner sight is fixed on a target, a picture analysis takes place. When the target moves, the Arjun Tank gun and the sight gets aligned with the target and move automatically keeping the target in focus. This is particularly good in cross country, when target is moving, Arjun Tank might go through bumps or twists or turns for maneuvering, but the auto tracker will not loose the sight of the target. In normal cases with T-55 and T-72, when the tanks try to negotiate an undulation or try a defensive move, the tank commander cupola is moving to acquire the target; the guns go off target. There is a crew disorientation that takes place in such conditions and the crew ends up pointing target at opposite direction. T-90S too has similar issues but is much better than the T-72 in this case. Another aspect is, the Arjun MBT turret is a heavy mass of approximately 16- 20 tons and gun mass is about approximately 2 tons. To stabilize the turret and gun is a difficult task. Currently Arjun Tank uses something called “director mode” .The top mirror of the gunner sight of Arjun Tank is independently stabilized. A computer evaluates the elevation of both top mirror and the gun as well as the angle of the turret. There is a continuous feeding of these parameters into the computer; the computer gives electronic instructions to the gun control system. Hence the Arjun Tank gunner sight is in the middle of the target even in the cross country environment. If momentarily the gun is misaligned, the firing circuit does not open and the gunner is not able to fire. Whether Arjun MBT is static, target is static or Arjun MBT is static, target is moving or Arjun MBT is moving, target is static or both Arjun MBT and target are moving; The Arjun Tank firing accuracy remains more or less the same, and achieves a very high level of accuracy.
The Lahat missile’s laser designator module is integrated into fire control computer.:smitten::cheers::sniper:

^^ Flaming where did you get this info from ? This is not present in the article ? Can you please give me the source ?
 
^^ Flaming where did you get this info from ? This is not present in the article ? Can you please give me the source ?

Arjun Mk2 – The Futuristic MBT | Frontier India - News, Analysis, Opinion
 
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