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Argentina and China agree fighter aircraft working group - IHS Jane's 360


So it begins, moving into the higher end weapons We controlled 75% of the world's trainer jet market, and now we are moving in on 4 to 4+ gen fighter market.

Who says Chinese developed weapons sucks and can't sell, show me your hands, you know who you are.:devil:

Argentina and China agree fighter aircraft working group
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Argentina and China are to form a working group to look at the possible introduction into Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina - FAA) service of a new Chinese fighter type, it was disclosed on 5 February.

The working group, which was discussed during a visit by between Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner to Beijing from 2 to 5 February, will look at the possible transfer of a range of military equipment to Buenos Aries. Chief among this equipment is either the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 or the CAC J-10 fighter aircraft.

Ahead of any transfer of aircraft, the working group will examine means by which the FAA might integrate such aircraft into its inventory, and support them once in service. Argentina stands to receive 14 fighter aircraft should the proposed transfer go ahead, though no timelines have been revealed.

ANALYSIS
For some years now, Argentina has been trying to replace its antiquated and increasingly unserviceable Dassault Mirage IIIEA, IAI Dagger, and McDonnell Douglas A-4 Skyhawk fighter fleets with a newer and more capable type.

News of the Argentine-Chinese working group comes weeks after it was reported that Russia had courted Argentina with the possible lease of Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer' strike aircraft. While the UK Ministry of Defence took these reports seriously enough to review the defence of the Falkland Islands, the Su-24s would have no really operational utility for the FAA, and it would appear that any proposed transfer of such aircraft is likely the result of Russia playing political games with the UK over the continuing crisis in Ukraine.

Other, more realistic, options that have been touted over recent months include surplus Spanish Mirage F1s, Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) Kfirs, and Saab Gripen E/Fs. All of these appear to have stalled for either economic or political reasons (the proposed buy of the Gripen E/F was effectively vetoed by the UK, which manufactures many of the aircraft's systems).

The Chinese FC-1/JF-17 has also been previously touted as a possible option for the FAA, so it is interesting to see it once again mentioned with this latest Argentine-Chinese agreement. The J-10, however, has not been mentioned in relation to the FAA before.

First unveiled in 2006, the J-10 bears more than a passing resemblance to the 'Euro-canard' Gripen, Dassault Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon fighters (it has been claimed that the J-10 was actually developed from the Israeli Aerospace Industries Lavi, which was itself modelled from the Lockheed Martin F-16).

The single-seat, single-engined, fighter has a top speed of Mach 1.8 at altitude, a service ceiling of 55,000 ft, is cleared to +9/-3 g , has a radius-of-operation of 300 n miles (555 km; 345 miles), and a payload of 6,600 kg (14,550 lb) on 11 hardpoints. Weapons options include PL-8 (Python 3) or later air-to-air missiles (AAMs) such as PL-11 or PL-12; Vympel R-73 and R-77 AAMs; C-801 or C-802 air-to-surface missiles; YJ-8K (anti-ship) or YJ-9 (anti-radiation) missiles; and up to six 1,000 lb laser-guided or free-fall bombs. There is also an internally-mounted 23 mm cannon, and the provision for a Chinese-developed infrared/laser navigation and targeting pod.

The People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) is believed to have a requirement for up to 300 J-10s, and its inclusion in the FAA's inventory would represent a significant capability boost for Argentina.

 
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The J-10 has a max speed of Mach 2.2, service ceiling of 18000 m, radius of 1100 km without AA refueling, and ferry range of 3200 km. The post is incorrect.
 
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China will not offer j-10 for Argentina. I think a better candidate will be L-15. It fits their budget better.
 
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China will not offer j-10 for Argentina. I think a better candidate will be L-15. It fits their budget better.

Argentina is looking for serious aircraft with serious profile currently FC-1/JF-17 is in good position against L-15 even from price point to other cost it leads. I doubt ftc-2000 or l-15 would be serious contenders though if the deal goes through and Argentina wants 14 aircrafts with in a time period I would think J-10A could be possibility with some upgrades. So I'll look towards either FC-1 or J-10A.
 
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Argentina is looking for serious aircraft with serious profile currently FC-1/JF-17 is in good position against L-15 even from price point to other cost it leads. I doubt ftc-2000 or l-15 would be serious contenders though if the deal goes through and Argentina wants 14 aircrafts with in a time period I would think J-10A could be possibility with some upgrades. So I'll look towards either FC-1 or J-10A.

L-15 offers cost effective due to the elimination of trainer which some thing JF-17 cant offer. With Argentina budget, they are looking for a plane with jack of all trade while without being the best in neither field. L-15 offer the safety of twin engines while without burning a hole compare to flanker. This is typical good solution for a small airforce with little budget.

Philippine AF goes for Korean TA-50 due to shortage of funds while forgoing F-16.

j-10 will be a big challange for UK

J-10 fighter not yet approved for export - People's Daily Online

I dont think China offer J-10, even the article by janes claimed the offer of J-10 is merely their speculation.
 
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Of course they will. All chinese airplanes are for sale except J-20.

It very clear from the xinhua article that J-10 so far has not been offer for export yet with exception of Pakistan due to the close alliance. Other than that, never heard China has offer to any countries of J-10.


J-17 has one major flaw. It has no twin seater version. For a small budget AF like argentina. It will not be attractive for them.
 
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It very clear from the xinhua article that J-10 so far has not been offer for export yet with exception of Pakistan due to the close alliance. Other than that, never heard China has offer to any countries of J-10.



J-17 has one major flaw. It has no twin seater version. For a small budget AF like argentina. It will not be attractive for them.

Just sell them something which can srsly kick some Foreign power's A$$ illegally occupying Argentinian territory
 
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L-15 offers cost effective due to the elimination of trainer which some thing JF-17 cant offer. With Argentina budget, they are looking for a plane with jack of all trade while without being the best in neither field. L-15 offer the safety of twin engines while without burning a hole compare to flanker. This is typical good solution for a small airforce with little budget.

Philippine AF goes for Korean TA-50 due to shortage of funds while forgoing F-16.



J-10 fighter not yet approved for export - People's Daily Online

I dont think China offer J-10, even the article by janes claimed the offer of J-10 is merely their speculation.

It my speculation as wellabout J-10A variant as the article states an initial 14 purchases perhaps operational thus at this moment no l-15 or JF-17 in Chinese Inventory beyoud 2-6 including proyotypes.

Highly unlikey that they would want such a product they want major capibilities and better radar along other weapons/systems. These aircrafts cant withstand RAF tornados; Typoons are another type of beast. Or a deal for few l-15 and Fc-1 combination might work.
 
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I think what Argentina really need is fighter bomber like JH-7,if they REALLY want to play games with Brits, which I doubt, in fact, I doubt China is even serious about selling aircraft to them.
 
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