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New Delhi: The Archaeological Survey of India’s (ASI’s) 2003 claim that there is evidence of a temple under the Babri Masjid doesn’t enjoy consensus, even among members of the group that conducted the dig.

The ASI submitted its 574-page report on the matter to the Allahabad high court in August 2003, saying proof had been found of a massive structure just below the demolished Babri Masjid. The Sunni Waqf Board, a party to the Ayodhya title dispute case, had said then that the ASI’s report was “vague and self-contradictory”.

Two archaeologists, Supriya Varma and Jaya Menon, had observed the ASI’s excavations on behalf of the Sunni Waqf Board. In 2010, the wrote a paper in the Economic and Political Weekly detailing why they had objected to the ASI’s results, and the subsequent Allahabad high court judgment in September 2010. According to the article, the duo had objected to various practices the ASI was following during its dig, which made “it clear that there was already a preconceived idea in the minds of ASI archaeologists”.

Also read: The Archaeological Survey Bears the Beleaguered Face of Indian Heritage

The authors argued that the ASI’s report had gone largely unchallenged because of the power it holds over researchers in the country. “Any archaeologist in India or from outside who wants to explore or excavate sites has to obtain a licence from the ASI. So no field archaeologist is willing to speak out against it or its outdated methods.”

It has now been 26 years since kar sevaks demolished the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya on December 6, 1992. In the run-up to the 2019 Lok Sabha elections, the Hindutva right-wing is pressing for the construction of a Ram temple at the disputed site, even before the Supreme Court has given its verdict.

Varma, a professor of archaeology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, spoke to Huffington Post about why she thinks the ASI reached the results it did and the procedural lapses she observed. She argues that, “even today, there is no archeological evidence that there was a temple under the Babri Masjid.” According to her, “Underneath the Babri Masjid, there are actually older mosques.”

Varma has also told Huffington Post that the ASI used three pieces of evidence – all questionable – to say that a temple had existed at the site.

  1. A western wall: “The western wall is a feature of a mosque. It is a wall in front of which you say namaaz. It is not the feature of a temple. Temple has a very different plan.”
  2. Fifty pillar bases: “These are completely fabricated and we filed many complaints to the court about it. Our argument is that if you look at what they are claiming to be pillar bases, these are pieces of broken bricks and they have mud inside them.”
  3. Architectural fragments: “Of these 12 [most important architectural fragments], none of these were found during the excavation. These were recovered from the debris lying above the lime floor of the masjid. … A temple, a stone temple – supposedly this is a stone temple – has much more sculptured material than what they have found.”
Previous excavations

Varma also spoke about older excavations around the Babri Masjid area. The first was in 1861 by Alexander Cunningham, the first director-general of the ASI. He had, she claimed, mentioned three mounds in Ayodhya, two with some sort of Buddhist stupas and one with a vihara. While he banked on oral narratives that indicated some temples in the area had been destroyed, Varma says there was no mention of that in his report.

The second excavation was conducted in 1969 by the Department of Archaeology of the Banaras Hindu University, in the vicinity of Babri Masjid. Though few records from this excavation have survived to this day, they apparently concluded that the area had been inhabited in the early historic and the medieval periods.

Between 1975 and 1980, B.B. Lal, the then director-general of the ASI, revived the project. Lal’s work is significant in the history of the area, even though his initial report did not add much to previous work.

Also read: RSS’s Ordinance Push Upsets the Nexus That Helped Plant an Idol in Babri Masjid

So what makes his project stand out? According to Varma (lightly edited for clarity),

By 1988, the [Vishwa Hindu Parishad] had picked up this whole issue of temples having been demolished at three sites – Ayodhya, Mathura and Varanasi. In [that year], B.B. Lal took a photograph of pillar bases, which he said was taken and excavated at Ayodhya between 1975 and 1978, and published it in Manthan, which is the [Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh] journal. He also presented the photograph at the World Archeological Congress in Croatia, saying that if excavations were to be carried out, they would find evidence of a temple.

Lal’s assertions helped the BJP create a large-scale political movement out of the Babri Masjid monument, and in 1992, the mosque was demolished. In 1999, after the National Democratic Alliance assumed power, the topic of excavation became big again, according to Varma, and the Allahabad high court ordered the ASI dig in 2002.

A questionable ASI report

The ASI, according to Varma, left much to be desired in its final report. While the initial sections read normally, the conclusion stands out. She told Huffington Post,

If you read the entire report, there is no mention of any temple. It is a standard report. …What is missing is a chapter on bones and human skeletal remains. That is what they also found but they never published it.

What you will also find is that the names of the people who wrote those [other] chapters is mentioned. But in the conclusion, there is no name mentioned. And in the conclusion, in the last paragraph of the report, they say that given the evidence of this western wall, and pillar bases, and some architectural fragments, there was a temple underneath the Babri Masjid. It is literally written in three lines. Otherwise, nowhere in the discussion, is there any talk of a temple being found. With the same evidence, we have interpreted that there were actually two or three phases of smaller mosques underneath the Babri Masjid.
https://thewire.in/history/babri-masjid-asi-excavation-ayodhya-ram-temple
 
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India is a morally dead country. To them, the truth is not important. It's the wish and will of a few sick brains that create their hologram of life. When these sick brains want Ram template to exist under Babri masjid, evidence contradictory to their wishes is obviously a sin against their power needs.

The dead justice system of India will side with holograms instead of facts. Filth will favour filth.
 
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India is a morally dead country. To them truth is not important anymore. It's the wish and will of a few sick brains that create their hologram of life. When these sick brains want Ram template to exist under Babri masjid, evidence contractory to their wishes is a obviously a sin against their power needs.

Dead justice system of India will side with holograms than facts. Filth will favour filth.

Even if temple existed it wouldn't justify destruction of mosque and killing of thousands of native Indian muslims in riots to get back at medieval central asian invader. Its like Pakistan converting sikh gurdawaras in to horse stables, we are better then that.
 
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Any evidence of a temple under the Babri Masjid is fiction.

Some Mandirs, Devals and Masajeeds were destroyed by Invaders Britishers.

Medieval Greek: μασγίδιον (masgídion), The word 'mosque' entered the English Language from French word mosquée.

Nabataean masgĕdhā́ or from Arabic سَجَدَ‎, sajada (meaning "to bow down in prayer"), probably ultimately from Nabataean Arabic masgĕdhā́ or Aramaic sĕghēdh. From Sajada came the word Masjid.

حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو كَامِلٍ الْجَحْدَرِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ، حَدَّثَنَا الأَعْمَشُ، ح قَالَ وَحَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَأَبُو كُرَيْبٍ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ التَّيْمِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي ذَرٍّ، قَالَ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَىُّ مَسْجِدٍ وُضِعَ فِي الأَرْضِ أَوَّلُ قَالَ ‏"‏ الْمَسْجِدُ الْحَرَامُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قُلْتُ ثُمَّ أَىٌّ قَالَ ‏"‏ الْمَسْجِدُ الأَقْصَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قُلْتُ كَمْ بَيْنَهُمَا قَالَ ‏"‏ أَرْبَعُونَ سَنَةً وَأَيْنَمَا أَدْرَكَتْكَ الصَّلاَةُ فَصَلِّ فَهُوَ مَسْجِدٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَفِي حَدِيثِ أَبِي كَامِلٍ ‏"‏ ثُمَّ حَيْثُمَا أَدْرَكَتْكَ الصَّلاَةُ فَصَلِّهْ فَإِنَّهُ مَسْجِدٌ ‏"‏ ‏.


Abu Dharr reported:

I said: Messenger of Allah, which Masjid was set up First on the Earth? He said: Al-Masjid al-Haram (the sacred). I (again) said: Then which next? Messenger of Allah said: Masjid Aqsa. I (again) said: How long the space of time (between their setting up)? Messenger of Allah said: forty years. And whenever the time comes for prayer, pray there, for that is a Masjid; and in the Hadith transmitted by Abu Kamil (the words are):" Whenever time comes for prayer, pray, for that is a Masjid (for you)."

The only fact is that rabid Sanghi fascists destroyed a mosque in 1992

Calling them Sanghis would be even incorrect. The Arguement which has been raised here, Mooghuls (Mongols) were invaders and not builders and the intentions of Mooghuls ( Mongols) and Tunani's (Greeks) always have been to destroy the Religious Foundation of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam which is Hindu Civilisation.

Invasion of Shree Ayodhya was done by the Mooghuls (Mongols) and Tunani's (Greeks).
 
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Just how the Zionists have been trying to find an archaeological evidence for the so called Solomon temple

What is this Solomon Temple ? Temples are of Pagan Greeks. In Hindu/Indian Civilisation, Mandir, Deval, Shivalay, Viharas.

Haikal e Sulaimani / Gumbaz e Saqra is the Altar, Yerushalem was captured by the Crusaders in 1099 Isvi , named Templum Domini. And from Here Temple name came from Templum.

Gumbaz e Saqra and Masjid Al Aqsa.jpg
 
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Some Mandirs, Devals and Masajeeds were destroyed by Invaders Britishers.

Medieval Greek: μασγίδιον (masgídion), The word 'mosque' entered the English Language from French word mosquée.

Nabataean masgĕdhā́ or from Arabic سَجَدَ‎, sajada (meaning "to bow down in prayer"), probably ultimately from Nabataean Arabic masgĕdhā́ or Aramaic sĕghēdh. From Sajada came the word Masjid.

حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو كَامِلٍ الْجَحْدَرِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ، حَدَّثَنَا الأَعْمَشُ، ح قَالَ وَحَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَأَبُو كُرَيْبٍ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ التَّيْمِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي ذَرٍّ، قَالَ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَىُّ مَسْجِدٍ وُضِعَ فِي الأَرْضِ أَوَّلُ قَالَ ‏"‏ الْمَسْجِدُ الْحَرَامُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قُلْتُ ثُمَّ أَىٌّ قَالَ ‏"‏ الْمَسْجِدُ الأَقْصَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قُلْتُ كَمْ بَيْنَهُمَا قَالَ ‏"‏ أَرْبَعُونَ سَنَةً وَأَيْنَمَا أَدْرَكَتْكَ الصَّلاَةُ فَصَلِّ فَهُوَ مَسْجِدٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَفِي حَدِيثِ أَبِي كَامِلٍ ‏"‏ ثُمَّ حَيْثُمَا أَدْرَكَتْكَ الصَّلاَةُ فَصَلِّهْ فَإِنَّهُ مَسْجِدٌ ‏"‏ ‏.


Abu Dharr reported:

I said: Messenger of Allah, which Masjid was set up First on the Earth? He said: Al-Masjid al-Haram (the sacred). I (again) said: Then which next? Messenger of Allah said: Masjid Aqsa. I (again) said: How long the space of time (between their setting up)? Messenger of Allah said: forty years. And whenever the time comes for prayer, pray there, for that is a Masjid; and in the Hadith transmitted by Abu Kamil (the words are):" Whenever time comes for prayer, pray, for that is a Masjid (for you)."



Calling them Sanghis would be even incorrect. The Arguement which has been raised here, Mooghuls (Mongols) were invaders and not builders and the intentions of Mooghuls ( Mongols) and Tunani's (Greeks) always have been to destroy the Religious Foundation of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam which is Hindu Civilisation.

Invasion of Shree Ayodhya was done by the Mooghuls (Mongols) and Tunani's (Greeks).
So someone else destroys your temple and you destroy a mosque for revenge ? . What's this ? .
 
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So someone else destroys your temple and you destroy a mosque for revenge ? . What's this ? .

Angels/Faristun/Dev are known in Hindu/Indian Civilisation , Temples and Mosques are the terms of Invaders of our Nation( Arya-Arab). Why should be Greek Pagan Temples be in the Holy Lands. These Greek Pagan Gods and Goddess since the Ancient Era are blood sucking creatures to whom the Followers of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam call Asur/Shaytan.

Possesions of Humans are done by Asur/Shaytan in which the blood of that possesed ones are being drank slowly infront of all. The Faristun/Dev Eat Fruits, Drink Flowers Nectar, Eat Rice, Wheat but Faristun/Dev doesnt Drink even Cow Milk, Goat Milk.

Mandirs, Devals are being destroyed always by the Invaders but the Muslimeen kill the Demons/Evil/Shaytan.
 
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Angels/Faristun/Dev are known in Hindu/Indian Civilisation , Temples and Mosques are the terms of Invaders of our Nation( Arya-Arab). Why should be Greek Pagan Temples be in the Holy Lands. These Greek Pagan Gods and Goddess since the Ancient Era are blood sucking creatures to whom the Followers of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam call Asur/Shaytan.

Possesions of Humans are done by Asur/Shaytan in which the blood of that possesed ones are being drank slowly infront of all. The Faristun/Dev Eat Fruits, Drink Flowers Nectar, Eat Rice, Wheat but Faristun/Dev doesnt Drink even Cow Milk, Goat Milk.

Mandirs, Devals are being destroyed always by the Invaders but the Muslimeen kill the Demons/Evil/Shaytan.
I was referring to that there was no proof of temple before Mosque and a Hindu mob destroyed the mosque . So the ones getting rewarded should be Muslims not Hindus . The place could have been given to Hindus to construct their temple somewhere else .
 
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I was referring to that there was no proof of temple before Mosque and a Hindu mob destroyed the mosque . So the ones getting rewarded should be Muslims not Hindus . The place could have been given to Hindus to construct their temple somewhere else .

In Hindu Civilisation, Bhagwan Shree Ram is having a very high place because Bhagwan Shree Ram is indeed Rasool Allah and even one of the Mightest because of killings Asurs/Shaytans in Large Numbers, Bhagwan Shree Ram Era is 7500 years Ago, Rasool Allah Muhammed Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam" did Dua for Ummat e Muslimeen and The Gift of Laylat al-Qadr came for the Humankind.
سورة الـقدر
إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ فِي لَيْلَةِ الْقَدْرِ ﴿١﴾ وَمَا أَدْرَاكَ مَا لَيْلَةُ الْقَدْرِ ﴿٢﴾ لَيْلَةُ الْقَدْرِ خَيْرٌ مِّنْ أَلْفِ شَهْرٍ ﴿ ٣﴾
تَنَزَّلُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ وَالرُّوحُ فِيهَا بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِم مِّن كُلِّ أَمْرٍ ﴿٤﴾ سَلَامٌ هِيَ حَتَّى مَطْلَعِ الْفَجْرِ ﴿٥﴾

  1. We have indeed revealed this (Message) in the Night of Power:
  2. And what will explain to thee what the Night of Power is?
  3. The Night of Power is better than a thousand months.
  4. Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by Allah's permission, on every errand:
  5. Peace!... This until the rise of dawn!

    Deen e Arya are the Real Children of Bhagwan Shree Ram and even the Followers of Bhagwan Shree Ram are even Arya according to thier Deeds.
 
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Nov 10, 2019, 3:31 am IST
Mysuru:
Noted Historian and Archaeology Expert from Mysuru that visited Shree Ayodhya, during the 2007 Excavation at the Ayodhya.

The Supreme Court verdict was based mainly on Archaeological Evidence which proved beyond doubt that a Mandir/Deval Existed at the spot much before 12th century.

Noted Historian and Archaeology Expert, Heads the Department of Ancient History and Archaeology said the Devanagari Inscription Found During Excavation talked about a Large Mandir/Deval at the Spot that was Built in the “Nagara” style of architecture by the Gadwala Raja, Govinda Chandra (1114-1155 ) , before the Mongol invasion of in 1526 Isvi.

“Also Hindu/Indian Style Pillars Etched with Carvings, Hindu/Indian Symbols and other such Evidence found here proved beyond doubt that there was a Mandir/Deval Complex at Ayodhya,” Noted Historian and Archaeology Expert from Mysuru Added.

“The Field of Archaeology is so Advanced that Several Tests carried out during Excavation like the Chlorine Test, Carbon Dating, and Thermo Luminescence also helped Establish the Age of the Site . All this was Supported by Oral History and Literary Sources, which helped the Judgement and have been mentioned in that,” Noted Historian and Archaeology Expert from Mysuru said.

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Shree Janaki Mandir - Nepal
Shree Janaki Mandir - Nepal.jpg
 
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lakin mandir yaheen banay ga! kyon keh hindu bawakoof hogaya hai!
 
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lakin mandir yaheen banay ga! kyon keh hindu bawakoof hogaya hai!

Mandirs, Devals and Shivalays are already all over Bhagwan Shree Ram Kingdom. Kosala Kingdom Capital is Shree Ayodhya. Maharaja Dasharath had three Maharani's. Maharani Kaushalya, Maharani Sumitra and Maharani Kaikeyi.

Maharani Kaushalya Gave Birth to Bhagwan Shree Ram. Maharani Kaikeyi gave Birth to Shree Bharata. Maharani Sumitra gave Birth to Shree Lakshman and Shree Shatrughna.
 
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Mandirs, Devals and Shivalays are already all over Bhagwan Shree Ram Kingdom. Kosala Kingdom Capital is Shree Ayodhya. Maharaja Dasharath had three Maharani's. Maharani Kaushalya, Maharani Sumitra and Maharani Kaikeyi.

Maharani Kaushalya Gave Birth to Bhagwan Shree Ram. Maharani Kaikeyi gave Birth to Shree Bharata. Maharani Sumitra gave Birth to Shree Lakshman and Shree Shatrughna.
Ram a superior being according to hindu faith how a creator is born? please enlighten me to me that sounds illogical!
 
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