Arab World's Embrace of Israel: Implications for Pakistan?

[GlobalVillageSpace]

Please watch this pertinent video - we did couple of weeks ago on what implications Arab world recognition would have for Pakistan?
Dr Moeed Pirzada

 

[Sinnerman108]

So how will history be written ?

For years, everyone believed one way, and then everyone believed other way.

Why ?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Pakistan is one of the DUMBEST NATIONS IN HISTORY for not realising this was going to happen.

Had Pakistan showed some fkin common sense instead of listening to antisemitic uneducated mullahs, Pakistan could have short circuited India's grand scheme 10 years ago by befriending Israel.

Turkey treats Israel pragmatically, without emotion, befriending them as and when it suits them.

Yet Pakistan has dug a hole for itself when it could easily have been friendly towards a powerful nation that has more in common with Pakistan than we choose to acknowledge.

Pakistan could plausibly have also done something to help the Palestinians in this way also.

Part of the current UAE-Israel rapprochement specifically includes a stay on the west bank annexation. Quite simply, what decades of belligerence couldn't achieve was achieved in an instant by a hand of friendship.

Aesop wrote a fable millennia ago about the sun and the north wind. I suggest everyone who cares about the Palestinians go and read that fable and realise that belligerence towards Israel achieved nothing for the Palestinians.

Of course, there's no point now. The window of opportunity has been missed and Israel has been bollywoodised already. Pakistan is stuck where it is.

I need that head banging a brick wall emoji.

 

[Saifullah]

Good for them. We have our own destiny. These days this fourm has quite many directionless people who are dieing to lick gold's backend. Alas we have so many sellouts in our nation.

 

[kingQamaR]

UAE is a very sick puppy.

First Modi was given a UAE nations medal with a state visit pomp

Now it’s Netanyahu turn. both are Muslim killers. And UAE rewards them says a lot about them

 

[beijingwalker]

Pakistan is one of the DUMBEST NATIONS IN HISTORY for not realising this was going to happen.

Had Pakistan showed some fkin common sense instead of listening to antisemitic uneducated mullahs, Pakistan could have short circuited India's grand scheme 10 years ago by befriending Israel.

Turkey treats Israel pragmatically, without emotion, befriending them as and when it suits them.

Yet Pakistan has dug a hole for itself when it could easily have been friendly towards a powerful nation that has more in common with Pakistan than we choose to acknowledge.

Pakistan could plausibly have also done something to help the Palestinians in this way also.

Part of the current UAE-Israel rapprochement specifically includes a stay on the west bank annexation. Quite simply, what decades of belligerence couldn't achieve was achieved in an instant by a hand of friendship.

Aesop wrote a fable millennia ago about the sun and the north wind. I suggest everyone who cares about the Palestinians go and read that fable and realise that belligerence towards Israel achieved nothing for the Palestinians.

Of course, there's no point now. The window of opportunity has been missed and Israel has been bollywoodised already. Pakistan is stuck where it is.

I need that head banging a brick wall emoji.

The dumbest thing is to hate someone for others.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The dumbest thing is to hate someone for others.

I'd argue that the dumbest thing is to hate someone on behalf of a third party when that third party fails to reciprocate on your behalf when the need arises. I get your point but I personally would add that caveat to it.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Part of the current UAE-Israel rapprochement specifically includes a stay on the west bank annexation. Quite simply, what decades of belligerence couldn't achieve was achieved in an instant by a hand of friendship.

Nope; it's just suspended but still on table...

For rest, pakistan indeed needs to priorities her self interests...

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Nope; it's just suspended but still on table...

For rest, pakistan indeed needs to priorities her self interests...

Yes, that's what I meant by "a stay".

 

[Dalit]

Boy oh boy. The Palestinians are done.

 

[Ceylal]

Why a UAE/Israel peace agreement concerns Pakistan?

 

[xyx007]

You can't do much, even our beloved Prophet(PBUH) came among them for this nation's guidance, but still, they are not on the right path. Allah already took away the responsibility of khalfait from Arab lands, and now this will end the Arab nation and be the first nation in Muslims will be wiped out from this world.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1293922936609546240

 

[TNT]

Pakistan is one of the DUMBEST NATIONS IN HISTORY for not realising this was going to happen.

Had Pakistan showed some fkin common sense instead of listening to antisemitic uneducated mullahs, Pakistan could have short circuited India's grand scheme 10 years ago by befriending Israel.

Turkey treats Israel pragmatically, without emotion, befriending them as and when it suits them.

Yet Pakistan has dug a hole for itself when it could easily have been friendly towards a powerful nation that has more in common with Pakistan than we choose to acknowledge.

Pakistan could plausibly have also done something to help the Palestinians in this way also.

Part of the current UAE-Israel rapprochement specifically includes a stay on the west bank annexation. Quite simply, what decades of belligerence couldn't achieve was achieved in an instant by a hand of friendship.

Aesop wrote a fable millennia ago about the sun and the north wind. I suggest everyone who cares about the Palestinians go and read that fable and realise that belligerence towards Israel achieved nothing for the Palestinians.

Of course, there's no point now. The window of opportunity has been missed and Israel has been bollywoodised already. Pakistan is stuck where it is.

I need that head banging a brick wall emoji.

I dont think Pakistan followed arabs, it was an ideological decision. I also disagree we could have avoided india israel axis by befriending israel, this is a totally wrong assertion. We have good relations with Europe, did that stop them from selling top of the line weapons to india? We had good relations with france including defence ties, yet they chose india. The same goes for many others, so what makes u think israel would not have supported india as it does now?
Infact not recognizing israel have extremely limited their ability to influence or operate in Pakistan.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I dont think Pakistan followed arabs, it was an ideological decision. I also disagree we could have avoided india israel axis by befriending israel, this is a totally wrong assertion. We have good relations with Europe, did that stop them from selling top of the line weapons to india? We had good relations with france including defence ties, yet they chose india. The same goes for many others, so what makes u think israel would not have supported india as it does now?
Infact not recognizing israel have extremely limited their ability to influence or operate in Pakistan.

Great points as always bro. Let me respond by mentioning firstly that I have experience of interacting personally with Jewish people who are not Israelis and Israelis themselves in the western world. Maybe it's just luck but almost down to the person, I have found that these groups of people judge others on merit and operate in a mostly transactional manner.

When Turkey and Israel had strong relations two decades back, Israel backed Turkey in terms of public relations on all major public controversies and intrigues. Greeks from that time period know full well and struggled to overcome the Israel-Turkey front diplomatically and informationally as a routine. Israel had a citizen army willing to defend the Turkish narrative on everything from Armenians to the Republic of Northern Cyprus. You may think it's ridiculous but I've seen it repeatedly in the past - not any more of course. The world has changed.

Pakistan's ideological basis for opposition to Israel is rooted in Jinnah's own speeches so I am aware that any rapprochement without resolution of the Palestinian issue is contrary to his leanings.

There was a critical point in time when Pakistan could easily have extracted benefit from a relationship with Israel (during the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan) and leveraged their considerable technological and geopolitical might against Hindustan. Now at that time, I fully accept that the Arab world was also different. Shah Faisal gave hope to Pakistan that our ideological alignments would eventually bring dividends - sadly, Faisal was assassinated and all such hopes were derailed. Under Musharraf there was a second chance. We failed to seize it for various reasons that even I'm not fully clear on.

The Israelis aren't as ideologically inclined (as a whole - of course they have a minority of nutjobs and terrorists in their midst) to oppose Pakistan as we think. I know full well what Ben Gurion and others have said of Pakistan but a course correction was possible on a number of occasions.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Implications for Pakistan are very little but more trouble is for arabs themselves. Look what happenes to German, ottoman empire, soviet union all those who supported israeliz are divided and lost from them is grace on earth. Keep ur distence neither keep them as friends nor enemies.

Unless they become our enemy themselves we need not to make them our enemy. But if it happens pakistan is the only nation which undersrands and is capable of erasing israel and its vision by the Command of God the Almighty.