Anticipating Pakistan’s Next Moves in Afghanistan

[pakistani342]

Very interesting angle here, excerpts below:

Of considerable significance is the fact that the Pakistani deep state is now able to assert greater control over the new Taliban. The aim seems to be to maintain the Taliban as a force that can hold territories close to the Durand Border, be of nuisance value to the Afghans and the US and not have pretensions of being anything that could pose problems for the Pakistani state.

With the death of Mullah Mansour Akhtar, the Taliban is no longer the Taliban of the past. Mullah Mansour was likely sacrificed as he was becoming more independent, was against suicide bombings, was pro-talks and differences between him and the Haqqani network had begun to emerge. The new man, Haibatullah Akhundzada, is a leader of lesser stature who does not have much of a tribal base and does not have the financial resources of Mansour to consolidate his hold over the rank and file. He is also said to be totally reliant on the ISI. Meanwhile, it is important to note that it is still unclear why the US went along with the targeted strike that eliminated Mullah Mansour. That it was in Balochistan, on a car which was many miles away from the Pak-Iran border and closer to Quetta, and one in which his passport was miraculously found intact, all point to Pakistani acquiescence.

 

[maximuswarrior]

It is an Indian source. Cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

Man Indians are so obsessed in making Pakistan an enemy of Afghanis whereas they are their enemies working in disguise to trap them.

 

[Bratva]

Very interesting angle here, excerpts below:

Of considerable significance is the fact that the Pakistani deep state is now able to assert greater control over the new Taliban. The aim seems to be to maintain the Taliban as a force that can hold territories close to the Durand Border, be of nuisance value to the Afghans and the US and not have pretensions of being anything that could pose problems for the Pakistani state.

With the death of Mullah Mansour Akhtar, the Taliban is no longer the Taliban of the past. Mullah Mansour was likely sacrificed as he was becoming more independent, was against suicide bombings, was pro-talks and differences between him and the Haqqani network had begun to emerge. The new man, Haibatullah Akhundzada, is a leader of lesser stature who does not have much of a tribal base and does not have the financial resources of Mansour to consolidate his hold over the rank and file. He is also said to be totally reliant on the ISI. Meanwhile, it is important to note that it is still unclear why the US went along with the targeted strike that eliminated Mullah Mansour. That it was in Balochistan, on a car which was many miles away from the Pak-Iran border and closer to Quetta, and one in which his passport was miraculously found intact, all point to Pakistani acquiescence.

When Baloch terrorist leaders openly flaunting their presence in Kabul and announcing they are migrating towards India, Can anyone blame Pakistan for not making move ?

Baloch writer Naela Qadri Baloch, a long-time campaigner for Balochistan’s independence from Pakistan, arrived here on Tuesday with a view to set up a Baloch government-in-exile.

Naela Baloch, who waited for almost three months to get an Indian visa, flew into New Delhi from Kabul. She was scheduled to address an outreach programme organised by the RSS-backed India Policy Foundation earlier this month but could not do so for failing to secure a visa.

“I have multiple engagements in Delhi. I am looking forward to meet a number of political leaders here to garner support to form a Baloch government-in-exile,” she told IANS.

She was received at the Indira Gandhi International Airport by her son Mazdak Dilshad Baloch, who reached New Delhi in August, and several other Baloch activists.

Read | ‘We are no longer alone’: Rebel Baloch leader thanks India for support

Several Baloch leaders from Pakistan and from other countries have begun visiting New Delhi since Prime Minister Narendra Modi, in his Independence Day address of August 15, highlighted the Baloch issue .

 

[!eon]

First, the word is Mullah is incorrect. It's without H in the end. It is widely misused.

There is not much to say about death of Mulla Akher Mansoor, as everyone, specially Afghan Taliban have accepted his death in that described way. Though, there are many doubts and questions.

Mullah Mansour was likely sacrificed as he was becoming more independent, was against suicide bombings, was pro-talks and differences between him and the Haqqani network had begun to emerge. The new man, Haibatullah Akhundzada, is a leader of lesser stature who does not have much of a tribal base and does not have the financial resources of Mansour to consolidate his hold over the rank and file. He is also said to be totally reliant on the ISI. Meanwhile,

There are no other reports that Akther Mansoor was going away or pushing the Haqqanis away. He had differences with other senior leadership but of course not with Haqqanis. Writer has to bring here something strong in support of his claim.

Though, Mulla Akhter was a rich man but it was not his wealth that counts in Afghan Taliban circles. One thing you have noticed that unlike TTP in Pakistan, Afghan Taliban leadership is learned and has degrees from Madrasas. This counts much in Afghan Taliban, totally opposite to TTP. Where Fazal Ullah was a lift operator with very little education, Bait Ullah Mehsud a car mechanic and many of their leaders are totally illiterate.

Haibatullah Akhundzada is very respected person among Afghan Taliban. He is Shaikh ul Hadees. It is highly unlikely that he would listen 100% voice of ISI. Just like their first leader Mulla Umer Akhundzada, he is believed hard to be convinced. You remember when top Pakistani Generals, Politicians and Mullas went in Kandhahar to convince him just after 9 11 and he said a big NO. Mulla Akhter was actually known as soft spoken and easy to deal with.

Writer has his own thoughts and he has written this article without solid supporting facts.

 

[A-Team]

Very interesting angle here, excerpts below:

Of considerable significance is the fact that the Pakistani deep state is now able to assert greater control over the new Taliban. The aim seems to be to maintain the Taliban as a force that can hold territories close to the Durand Border, be of nuisance value to the Afghans and the US and not have pretensions of being anything that could pose problems for the Pakistani state.

With the death of Mullah Mansour Akhtar, the Taliban is no longer the Taliban of the past. Mullah Mansour was likely sacrificed as he was becoming more independent, was against suicide bombings, was pro-talks and differences between him and the Haqqani network had begun to emerge. The new man, Haibatullah Akhundzada, is a leader of lesser stature who does not have much of a tribal base and does not have the financial resources of Mansour to consolidate his hold over the rank and file. He is also said to be totally reliant on the ISI. Meanwhile, it is important to note that it is still unclear why the US went along with the targeted strike that eliminated Mullah Mansour. That it was in Balochistan, on a car which was many miles away from the Pak-Iran border and closer to Quetta, and one in which his passport was miraculously found intact, all point to Pakistani acquiescence.

We are not in anyone's group against anyone else, we are in our group aka the Afghan group which means Afghan interests first, We are not party to any bigger games being played in the region.

Anyone toeing on Afghan interests will be told about, but in the same time we are not party to anyone else who may have some other scores to settle

Pakistan, India and whoever it must need to understand that we will not be party to their football game , get your shit together, Afghanistan will not be a party to any of it.

First, the word is Mullah is incorrect. It's without H in the end. It is widely misused.

There is not much to say about death of Mulla Akher Mansoor, as everyone, specially Afghan Taliban have accepted his death in that described way. Though, there are many doubts and questions.



There are no other reports that Akther Mansoor was going away or pushing the Haqqanis away. He had differences with other senior leadership but of course not with Haqqanis. Writer has to bring here something strong in support of his claim.

Though, Mulla Akhter was a rich man but it was not his wealth that counts in Afghan Taliban circles. One thing you have noticed that unlike TTP in Pakistan, Afghan Taliban leadership is learned and has degrees from Madrasas. This counts much in Afghan Taliban, totally opposite to TTP. Where Fazal Ullah was a lift operator with very little education, Bait Ullah Mehsud a car mechanic and many of their leaders are totally illiterate.

Haibatullah Akhundzada is very respected person among Afghan Taliban. He is Shaikh ul Hadees. It is highly unlikely that he would listen 100% voice of ISI. Just like their first leader Mulla Umer Akhundzada, he is believed hard to be convinced. You remember when top Pakistani Generals, Politicians and Mullas went in Kandhahar to convince him just after 9 11 and he said a big NO. Mulla Akhter was actually known as soft spoken and easy to deal with.

Writer has his own thoughts and he has written this article without solid supporting facts.

Respected leader ? my foot.

He is respected for you, because he is your proxy, the moment he gets out of line and out of your leash he will be as good as dead. Who are you kidding?

 

[!eon]

We are not in anyone's group against anyone else, we are in our group aka the Afghan group which means Afghan interests first, We are not party to any bigger games being played in the region.

Anyone toeing on Afghan interests will be told about, but in the same time we are not party to anyone else who may have some other scores to settle

Pakistan, India and whoever it must need to understand that we will not be party to their football game , get your shit together, Afghanistan will not be a party to any of it.



Respected leader ? my foot.

He is respected for you, because he is your proxy, the moment he gets out of line and out of your leash he will be as good as dead. Who are you kidding?

Kindly don't burn your äss in fire, it would not help.
Your foot or head has 0 value near them. They are going to respect whom they think is respectable. As Dostum is respectable for you.
No he is not proxy of anyone, that's for sure. Prove it otherwise.
No I am not kidding.

 

[Khan_21]

We are not in anyone's group against anyone else, we are in our group aka the Afghan group which means Afghan interests first, We are not party to any bigger games being played in the region.

Anyone toeing on Afghan interests will be told about, but in the same time we are not party to anyone else who may have some other scores to settle

Pakistan, India and whoever it must need to understand that we will not be party to their football game , get your shit together, Afghanistan will not be a party to any of it.

At this point its kind of mute to say Afghanistan wants this and that don't you think?

In last 40 years Afghanistan has been a land of proxy wars for its neighbours to settle their scores despite Afghanistan wanting the opposite. Its just how life works . The weak are not spared .

 

[Darth Vader]

We are not in anyone's group against anyone else, we are in our group aka the Afghan group which means Afghan interests first, We are not party to any bigger games being played in the region.

Anyone toeing on Afghan interests will be told about, but in the same time we are not party to anyone else who may have some other scores to settle

Pakistan, India and whoever it must need to understand that we will not be party to their football game , get your shit together, Afghanistan will not be a party to any of it.



Respected leader ? my foot.

He is respected for you, because he is your proxy, the moment he gets out of line and out of your leash he will be as good as dead. Who are you kidding?

I think You Need to Check your Media Channels
For last few years Afghanistan has been Trumping Indian Vicotry Drums

As For Afghan standing Afghani States interest you have other thing coming as In India , Pakistan and , Afghanistan Money is the King,

Cutting Afghistan off From Pakistan is not that simple neither easy too much love and too much hates lies between

And If Afghanistan had a stable strong Government I m pretty sure they would have Just Stood by and had a good relationship with Pakistan and India

Let me Put in Simple Context Bangladesh can Openly talk rubbish Against Pakistan it won't affect that Much the more hate Afghan media and politicians spread it will come back on them

Afghanistan Gov needed a boogy man
India had cash , Pakistan was the creator of that boogy man same goes for Uncle Sam and And Arabs they funded it so it was easy way out for Afghnans

 

[A-Team]

At this point its kind of mute to say Afghanistan wants this and that don't you think?

In last 40 years Afghanistan has been a land of proxy wars for its neighbours to settle their scores despite Afghanistan wanting the opposite. Its just how life works . The weak are not spared .

Precisely the reason that we are standing up to Pakistan, do you know how many Afghans are losing their lives just because it is in our long term interest to stand on our feet and stand up not only to Pakistan but any other country that is interfering in our interests.

This argument also defeats the notion that Muslim bhai bhai in our neighbourhood and how Pakistan has been nice to Afghans, in the greater scheme of things you did what you thought was in your interests and your currently spelling the blood of Afghans because you think that is in your interests, ( so those lecturing on brotherhood should look inwards a bit )

Anyways you are right the weaker in our part of the world sadly doesn't stand a chance but we are not weak, we are getting this much beating because we know that in longer scheme of things we will make it.

The sooner Pakistan and all the region realize that the better.

I think You Need to Check your Media Channels
For last few years Afghanistan has been Trumping Indian Vicotry Drums

As For Afghan standing Afghani States interest you have other thing coming as In India , Pakistan and , Afghanistan Money is the King,

Cutting Afghistan off From Pakistan is not that simple neither easy too much love and too much hates lies between

And If Afghanistan had a stable strong Government I m pretty sure they would have Just Stood by and had a good relationship with Pakistan and India

Let me Put in Simple Context Bangladesh can Openly talk rubbish Against Pakistan it won't affect that Much the more hate Afghan media and politicians spread it will come back on them

Afghanistan Gov needed a boogy man
India had cash , Pakistan was the creator of that boogy man same goes for Uncle Sam and And Arabs they funded it so it was easy way out for Afghnans

Afghanistan has issues but those issues doesnt mean that you guys continue running an industrial scale insurgency in Afghanistan.
Afghans are right to be pissed off when your proxies are killing on average hundred innocent everyday.

 

[Darth Vader]

Precisely the reason that we are standing up to Pakistan, do you know how many Afghans are losing their lives just because it is in our long term interest to stand on our feet and stand up not only to Pakistan but any other country that is interfering in our interests.

This argument also defeats the notion that Muslim bhai bhai in our neighbourhood and how Pakistan has been nice to Afghans, in the greater scheme of things you did what you thought was in your interests and your currently spelling the blood of Afghans because you think that is in your interests, ( so those lecturing on brotherhood should look inwards a bit )

Anyways you are right the weaker in our part of the world sadly doesn't stand a chance but we are not weak, we are getting this much beating because we know that in longer scheme of things we will make it.

The sooner Pakistan and all the region realize that the better.



Afghanistan has issues but those issues doesnt mean that you guys continue running an industrial scale insurgency in Afghanistan.
Afghans are right to be pissed off when your proxies are killing on average hundred innocent everyday.

As For Pakistani Proxies
I dont think Pakistan is currently supporting Proxies in Afghanistan,
As I Dont Pakistan Going Against Uncle Sam and Nato Now or in some time in current future or able to support that big Insurgency on its own

As Same Is Afghanistan doing with TTP , afghan intellegences support to ttp isnt anything new as save Was Happening in Pakistan , and even now TTP using afghan land to regroup

Well thats the name of the business
Every one will try to follow there interest and inncoent will lose be they are from pakistan , indian, Afghanistan

 

[Khan_21]

Precisely the reason that we are standing up to Pakistan, do you know how many Afghans are losing their lives just because it is in our long term interest to stand on our feet and stand up not only to Pakistan but any other country that is interfering in our interests.

This argument also defeats the notion that Muslim bhai bhai in our neighbourhood and how Pakistan has been nice to Afghans, in the greater scheme of things you did what you thought was in your interests and your currently spelling the blood of Afghans because you think that is in your interests, ( so those lecturing on brotherhood should look inwards a bit )

Anyways you are right the weaker in our part of the world sadly doesn't stand a chance but we are not weak, we are getting this much beating because we know that in longer scheme of things we will make it.

The sooner Pakistan and all the region realize that the better.

I am not in support of civilian killings of Afghanistan or any country for that matter . Afghanistan has suffered enough and the people deserve lasting peace .Pakistan is not doing anything different to what Turkey is doing in Syria or Saudi is doing in Yemen . Each country has to look out for its interests . I would be happy if those strategic interests are achieved without spilling civilian blood in Afghanistan .

 

[wiseone2]

Man Indians are so obsessed in making Pakistan an enemy of Afghanis whereas they are their enemies working in disguise to trap them.

I am sure India is backing the Taliban

 

[ali_raza]

pakistan is only doing wait and see.untill hillary comes.then big cards will be played