Ancient History not Appreciated by Pakistanis?

[John Doe]

Yeah but whites are not indigenous, we are, we have continuous occupancy of this land for thousand's of years, my ancestor fought with Porus against Alexander, you can't get more indigenous than that, can you.

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There is was no nation state - as india, it is, and was an artificial construct of the Britishers.

Please Rafi, answer his questions AFTER you READ them and Understand them. Please.

 

[kingkobra]

Yeah but whites are not indigenous, we are, we have continuous occupancy of this land for thousand's of years, my ancestor fought with Porus against Alexander, you can't get more indigenous than that, can you.

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There is was no nation state - as india, it is, and was an artificial construct of the Britishers.

go to this site and read it full.

The Harappan Civilization by Tarini J. Carr

The skeletal remains found at Harappan sites that date from 4,000 years ago, show the same basic racial types as are found today in Gujarat and Punjab, India. This is interesting, because if a foreign light-skinned people entered and took over, it would seem likely that there would be genetic evidence for this. The long continuity of ethnic groups in this region would indicate that the people living there had not seen an influx of a different ethic group that would have mixed with their own. (15)

 

[Rafi]

It is basically a waste of time to discuss independence it is a fact of life, and a reality,

1) IVC is contained largely within the geographic reality of Pakistan.

2) Most of the people living their are indigenous, and/or a meld of the indigenous and foreign.

3) People of Pakistan are proud and read about their ancient history from a young age.

 

[metro]

Whoa this is hilarious !! Pakistanis is so desperate for 'respect' and 'legitimacy' that now you guys even want to steal Indian history ? haha. Piece of land does not a civilization make. A civilization is a set of traditions, set of ethics, rituals, religions, way of life, etc.

In India the religion, traditions of ancient 'Indian' civilizations are still practiced, hence the civilizations are Indian. Pakistan was but a small part of the larger 'India'.

Pakistan gave up its claim to this civilizational inheritance the day it chose to be an 'Islamic Republic'. Pakistan has as much claim to IVC as the modern Egyptians have to the ancient Egyptian civilization i.e. nil, nada, zilch. Pakistan is an offshoot of Arabic civilization now. The sooner you accept it, the less heartburn shall you suffer.

Otherwise you are welcome to wage your 'jihad' against world history. I don't think the prospects of success are too bright though.----blitz

 

[srsrsr]

Yeah but whites are not indigenous, we are, we have continuous occupancy of this land for thousand's of years, my ancestor fought with Porus against Alexander, you can't get more indigenous than that, can you


There is was no nation state - as india, it is, and was an artificial construct of the Britishers.

"indigenous" - Man if you were so indigineous, why did you ask and create the so called "East Pakistan"....Is that your indigineous clan was present in Bengal ( and your clan missed the land link inbetween). Simple fact, that your nation formed in the West part of British India on religious basis and then you "adopt" the history of the land .

Say for argument, if South India had muslims majority, Pakistan would've have been created in S.India and you guys' would've been claiming Dravidian history. As I stated earlier, you can always adopt the history of land, but dont lay claims stating that its Pakistan's

This should be timelines

History of Pakistan Country - 1930+, History of Islamic Civilization in "this part of world" ( I know you hate any term of indian subcontinent") - 700 AD+ , History of land where Pakistan resides - IVC+



"artificial construct of the Britishers" - as I stated I dont want stupid terminology discussions of who coined the terms. Look beyond that - something called an identity.

 

[UnitedPak]

Whoa this is hilarious !! Pakistanis is so desperate for 'respect' and 'legitimacy' that now you guys even want to steal Indian history ? haha. Piece of land does not a civilization make. A civilization is a set of traditions, set of ethics, rituals, religions, way of life, etc.

Pakistanis are descendants of the people of Indus Valley. None of your other silly statement matter. Do you really think the IV people were Hindi speaking, democratic, western influenced, multicultural and multi racial people like modern Indians? Civilisations change all the time, including Pakistani civilisation through the ages. Your ignorance and lack of knowledge about Indian history is hilarious however.

In India the religion, traditions of ancient 'Indian' civilizations are still practiced, hence the civilizations are Indian. Pakistan was but a small part of the larger 'India'.

We dont know anything about IV culture or language. How can you possibly conclude modern Indians practice the same traditions as those people? And how can "Pakistan be a small part of larger India" when Indus Valley is based almost entirely in Pakistan?

Pakistan gave up its claim to this civilizational inheritance the day it chose to be an 'Islamic Republic'.

Makes no sense or logic. Civilisations evolve all the time. No civilisation has remained the same, fact.

Pakistan has as much claim to IVC as the modern Egyptians have to the ancient Egyptian civilization.

Now your are just embarrassing yourself. Egyptians are the descendants of ancient Egyptians. They can rightfully claim Egyptian history the same way Pakistanis can claim all of Indus history.

Pakistan is an offshoot of Arabic civilization now. The sooner you accept it, the less heartburn shall you suffer.

Do we speak Arabic? Do you consider Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Kashmiris, Balochis as Arabic? In which case Pakistanis are not Arabic. Give this some thought, seriously.

Otherwise you are welcome to wage your 'jihad' against world history. I don't think the prospects of success are too bright though.----blitz

Your desperate attempt to define others who have nothing to do with you is rather sad.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

actually i am happy to see that you guys are keeping it preserved rather than destroying it like talibanis did with budha statues in afganistan just for religion's sake...

if that were the case, we wouldnt have Taxila or other historic places with non-Muslim-made relics and sites....

contrary to what your media brainwashes you, Pakistani are normal people and not barbarians.

k, thanks.

 

[Rafi]

United Pak - this is the widely known phenomena that is known as indian inferiority complex, next they will be telling Iranian's that Darius was not Persian, it is our civilization we are the descendant's of it, end of story.

 

[kingkobra]

We dont know anything about IV culture or language. How can you possibly conclude modern Indians practice the same traditions as those people? And how can "Pakistan be a small part of larger India" when Indus Valley is based almost entirely in Pakistan?

discovery of fire altars at several Indus sites. Fire rituals and sacrifice were an important part of Vedic religious practices. But what was significant about these alters, is that they were aligned and constructed in the same manner as later discovered altars were. The fire altars were then Vedic in construction indicating that the Harappan's were a Vedic culture.

The Harappan Civilization by Tarini J. Carr

 

[Rafi]

discovery of fire altars at several Indus sites. Fire rituals and sacrifice were an important part of Vedic religious practices. But what was significant about these alters, is that they were aligned and constructed in the same manner as later discovered altars were. The fire altars were then Vedic in construction indicating that the Harappan's were a Vedic culture.

The Harappan Civilization by Tarini J. Carr

Or may be they were like Aussies and enjoyed a good barbeque

 

[kingkobra]

United Pak - this is the widely known phenomena that is known as indian inferiority complex, next they will be telling Iranian's that Darius was not Persian, it is our civilization we are the descendant's of it, end of story.

hehe if you claim to be IV descendants then what kind of inferiority complex made you choose Islam as your religion??
and what kind of inferiority complex still lets to keep those places preserved at which idols were worshiped? i hope you know islam demands destruction of all the places were idols were worshiped..
i have answer...it is because you have nothing apart from this to show to the world

 

[TheStrantrunCurve]

Pakistanis are descendants of the people of Indus Valley. None of your other silly statement matter. Do you really think the IV people were Hindi speaking, democratic, western influenced, multicultural and multi racial people like modern Indians? Civilisations change all the time, including Pakistani civilisation through the ages. Your ignorance and lack of knowledge about Indian history is hilarious however.

We dont know anything about IV culture or language. How can you possibly conclude modern Indians practice the same traditions as those people? And how can "Pakistan be a small part of larger India" when Indus Valley is based almost entirely in Pakistan?

Makes no sense or logic. Civilisations evolve all the time. No civilisation has remained the same, fact.

Now your are just embarrassing yourself. Egyptians are the descendants of ancient Egyptians. They can rightfully claim Egyptian history the same way Pakistanis can claim all of Indus history.

Do we speak Arabic? Do you consider Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Kashmiris, Balochis as Arabic? In which case Pakistanis are not Arabic. Give this some thought, seriously.

Your desperate attempt to define others who have nothing to do with you is rather sad.

UnitedPak,

It is useless to have a debate with bharti people, The IVC only existed on the banks of the Indus. The Meherghar Civilization only existed in Pakistan. Therefore they are Pakistani Civilizations. neither the IVC nor the Meherharh people were Hindu. Bharat was jungle then–still in the “hunter-gatherer” stage of evolution.

1) Pakistanis don’t need to claim ancestry/heritage from Persians or afghans because Pakistani Civilization is 5000 years old, Pakistan is the latest avatar of Indus valley civilization, While bhartis at that time were hunter gatherers the Indus valley Pakistanis were among the first to develop a system of uniform weights and measures, World's first sewage and water systems were created in Harappa Pakistan.
2) Bharat has no civilization to proud of except stealing the heritage from its neighbors.


Bharat have no history that is why they try to rob Pakistan of its history

The Melhulans were the Indus people who lived on the River Indus. They were the early ancestors of the present day Pakistanis. The DNA results from the remains of the people in the graves show 98% congruence with the Baluch, Punjabis, Pakhtuns and Sindhis of the current era. The facts remain that the people of the Indus were completely different from the people of the Ganges.

 

[metro]

one day Pakistanis say, they are direct descendants of the invaders and then name all their weaponry after the invaders.
next day some Pakistani again come up with a new idea and claim they are the native of IVC and hence all the historical heritage belongs to them.
then some other Pakistani comes and say that his family migrated to Pakistan from India, so he belongs to none of the above two categories of Pakistanis.

I mean what sort of madness is this ??
Its been decades since ure country came into existence and u guys still dont know who your ancestors were ?
this is so lame and funny.

 

[kingkobra]

UnitedPak,

It is useless to have a debate with bharti people, The IVC only existed on the banks of the Indus. The Meherghar Civilization only existed in Pakistan. Therefore they are Pakistani Civilizations. neither the IVC nor the Meherharh people were Hindu. Bharat was jungle then–still in the “hunter-gatherer” stage of evolution.

1) Pakistanis don’t need to claim ancestry/heritage from Persians or afghans because Pakistani Civilization is 5000 years old, Pakistan is the latest avatar of Indus valley civilization, While bhartis at that time were hunter gatherers the Indus valley Pakistanis were among the first to develop a system of uniform weights and measures, World's first sewage and water systems were created in Harappa Pakistan.
2) Bharat has no civilization to proud of except stealing the heritage from its neighbors.


Bharat have no history that is why they try to rob Pakistan of its history

The Melhulans were the Indus people who lived on the River Indus. They were the early ancestors of the present day Pakistanis. The DNA results from the remains of the people in the graves show 98% congruence with the Baluch, Punjabis, Pakhtuns and Sindhis of the current era. The facts remain that the people of the Indus were completely different from the people of the Ganges.

lol you have so less knowledge about IVC and India and about everything...
you dont even care to read the link i had posted..so i will post it again
The Harappan Civilization by Tarini J. Carr

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

no.

what is stupid is that there are millions of threads on this subject and even then trolls come on here trying to dictate their version of things over the others.

ancient history maybe not appreciated by any south asians as is evident. Go learn a thing or two, then talk. Btw, its only been decades since hindustan (india) came into being as well. Dont forget that.