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WATCH: Mystery surrounds discovery of Apollo statue in Gaza | JPost | Israel News

Local fisherman discovers 500kg. bronze statue of Greek god which Hamas police seize.
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Lost for centuries, a rare bronze statue of the Greek god Apollo has mysteriously resurfaced in the Gaza Strip, only to vanish almost immediately from view and be taken into police custody.

Word of the remarkable find has caught the imagination of the world of archaeology, but no one knows when the life-sized bronze might re-emerge or where it might be put on display.

A local fisherman says he scooped the 500-kg God from the seabed last August, and carried it back home on a donkey cart, unaware of the significance of his catch.

Others soon guessed at its importance, and the statue briefly appeared on eBay with a $500,000 price tag -- well below its true value. Police from the Islamist group Hamas, who rule the isolated Palestinian territory, swiftly seized it and say they are investigating the affair.

To their great frustration, archaeologists have not yet been able to get their hands on the work of art, and instead are relying on a few blurred photographs of the virtually intact god, laid out incongruously on a blanket emblazoned with Smurfs cartoon characters.

From what they can tell it was cast sometime between the 5th and the 1st century BC, making it at least 2,000 years old.

"It's unique, said Jean-Michel de Tarragon, an historian with the French Biblical and Archaeological School of Jerusalem.

"In some way I say there's no price...It's like if people say what is the price of the painting La Gioconda (Mona Lisa) in the Louvre Museum. There is no price, no way, it's unique," he added.

De Tarragon described the discovery of the statue as "astonishing", because of the material of which it's made.

"It's very, very rare to find a statue which is not in marble or in stone, but in metal," he said, adding that the apparent pristine condition of the statue suggested it was uncovered on land and not in the sea, as claimed.

"The one of Gaza is very special and unique because for us, it has not been, at all, found in the sea... It has been found, we don't know exactly the place, we have a guess you know, in the north of Gaza....But it has been found surely, in the sand," he said, adding that there were no tell-tale signs of metal disfigurement or barnacles that one normally sees on items plucked from water.

De Tarragon says the claim the statue was found in the sea is probably just a convenient story told to avoid arguments over ownership, particularly if the treasure was found on someone else's land.

But he said it was vital to know the true location of its discovery, as it might throw up other amazing finds.

Palestinian fisherman Joudat Ghrab tells a different tale. Speaking to Reuters, the 26-year-old father of two says he saw a human-like shape lying in shallow waters some 100 metres off shore, just north of the Egyptian-Gaza border.

At first he thought it was a badly burnt body, but when he dived down to take a closer look he realised it was a statue. He says it took him and his relatives four hours to drag the "treasure" ashore.

"We were five people on the beach, trying to pull it. The weight of the statue under the sea is different than out of the sea. On the beach, five people were unable to carry it. We put it on a small cart and then we turned it upside down," he said.

His mother was less happy when she saw the naked Apollo carried into the house, demanding that his private parts be covered.

"My mother was alone, she was shocked and said 'what a disaster you have brought with you' as she looked at the huge, covered statue," Ghrab said.

The fisherman says his financial situation is very difficult and he is expecting that if Gaza's tourism ministry decides to keep the statue, they will give him a reward.

The discolored green-brown statue shows the god as a young man. Standing upright on two, muscular legs, he has one arm outstretched, with the palm of his hand held up.

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yes, there was a Greek and roman presence in ancient Palestine. in fact if you study deep into history thousands of years ago it was said the first people to live in the levant were white people. I have met Levantine Arabs such as Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair, blue eyes, red hair. They look more European than middle astern. Of course not all look this way, but European DNA is still there.
 
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i hope they give the fisherman a reward :D

and inshaallah the tourism industry flourishes in palestine and all muslims could visit their first (time concerned) ghibla (al-aghsa mosque ).

soon inshaallah
 
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I'm not sure why this article refers to Palestinian police as 'Hamas' police. They are ordinary Palestinians with all kinds of different backgrounds and ideologies. It's a national police force.

yes, there was a Greek and roman presence in ancient Palestine. in fact if you study deep into history thousands of years ago it was said the first people to live in the levant were white people. I have met Levantine Arabs such as Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair, blue eyes, red hair. They look more European than middle astern. Of course not all look this way, but European DNA is still there.

Yes I notice this in some Palestinians, I have a little of it too. Not the eye or hair color, my hair color is a very dark black and I have gold/orange to some if my beard. Not sure why...but I do look from the front a little different.
 
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yes, there was a Greek and roman presence in ancient Palestine. in fact if you study deep into history thousands of years ago it was said the first people to live in the levant were white people. I have met Levantine Arabs such as Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair, blue eyes, red hair. They look more European than middle astern. Of course not all look this way, but European DNA is still there.

Arabs are Caucasian people. European racialist even made a term for Arabs. Either they were called Arabids or Orientalids. Or Alpinids. There was a consensus that the Arabs belonged to the Mediterranean branch of people which also included Atlanto-Mediterraneans.

Actually it is the opposite way around. The local Greek and Italian population came from the Middle East and most Greeks and Romans were of an Middle Eastern stock originally. That is why you see the high prevalence of Haplogroup J, G and E in Italy and Greece. More than half of the people belong to those haplogroups. Overall Greeks and Italians also cluster more with Middle Eastern people than they do with Eastern Europeans for instance.

The same Semitic Phoenicians also colonized large parts of Southern Europe and Northern Africa where they founded dozens of famous European cities and settled. Hannibal was one of them. Who belonged to the Carthaginians (Punics) who were ancestors of the Phoenicians and who spoke an Semitic language.

Greeks nor Romans were described as the white/pale stereotype that you probably have in your mind. Rather the opposite.

All that is prevalent across the entire Arab world. Nothing to do with "European genes". In the highlands of Yemen you can find plenty of those types. This was even quickly noticed by the same European racialists of the late 19th and early 20th century.

Romans had a present as south as Yemen.

Pigmentation (quickly tanned skin when exposed to sun) has nothing to do with your ancestry. Besides I have seen plenty of Italians and Greeks that would fit everywhere in the Arab world nearly or nearby areas. If you take a look at their two football teams then all of them would not look strange or out of the place in the Arab world unlike an Indian, Uzbek or Chinese for instance.


Anyway very interesting find nevertheless.
 
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I don't know al hassani I have met Levantine Arabs that look straight up white, I have never seen a Saudi or Yemeni that looks like this. Can you post me a picture of Saudi or Yemeni that look like this, maybe I am wrong.
 
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I don't know al hassani I have met Levantine Arabs that look straight up white, I have never seen a Saudi or Yemeni that looks like this. Can you post me a picture of Saudi or Yemeni that look like this, maybe I am wrong.

What is looking "straight white"? Or what is "looks like this"?
Arabs are Caucasian people and overall Arabs wherever in the Arab world cluster most with firstly fellow people of the ME region, Caucasus and after that Southern Europeans and people of the Balkans. Virtually every genetic tests shows this and it correspondents to human migrations, history, interaction, geographic proximity, the fact that all those regions are inhabited by Caucasion people etc. Neither the ancient Greeks nor Romans looked like your stereotypical Viking for instance or Finn. They bore a much closer resemblance to the people of the ME and Northern Africa. That is what reports, descriptions, statues, art etc. tell. Even today that is the case.

If you are talking about being blonde and having blue eyes, which is also very rare in the Levant area and ME overall, then that is very rare in Yemen and KSA as in all of ME. But hazel/green eyes and light brown eyes is not. But that has nothing to do with your ancestry or the haplogroup you belong to. For instance in KSA the biggest Y-Chromonsone haplogroup after the J is the R, E and G. R is found in about 20-25% of the population and can be found at higher percentages depending on the region.

Anyway this is not what the debate is about I just wanted to point out that the migration was from the ME into Greece and Italy not the other way around.

But this look is very common throughout KSA and Yemen among people of Arab origin - meaning no Afro-Arabs, immigrants or people who have mixed with non-ME people recently.

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"Blondinism" does not equal being European. Nothing to do with it. Although you can nearly count blonde people on your hand in the ME. They are a small minority. Likewise basically all of Southern Europe. I am talking about those pale, blue and blond haired people that are always taken for Scandinavian/Russian tourists even in Paris nearly, LOL.



 
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yes, there was a Greek and roman presence in ancient Palestine. in fact if you study deep into history thousands of years ago it was said the first people to live in the levant were white people. I have met Levantine Arabs such as Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair, blue eyes, red hair. They look more European than middle astern. Of course not all look this way, but European DNA is still there.

The white-looking Arabs have the Scythian blood, while the ancient Romans and Greeks were dark haired/brown eyed Mediterranid.
 
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I wonder if this is from a city which is now underwater or somebody dumped it there to save it from the Arabs.
 
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Arabs are Caucasian people. European racialist even made a term for Arabs. Either they were called Arabids or Orientalids. Or Alpinids. There was a consensus that the Arabs belonged to the Mediterranean branch of people which also included Atlanto-Mediterraneans.

Actually it is the opposite way around. The local Greek and Italian population came from the Middle East and most Greeks and Romans were of an Middle Eastern stock originally. That is why you see the high prevalence of Haplogroup J, G and E in Italy and Greece. More than half of the people belong to those haplogroups. Overall Greeks and Italians also cluster more with Middle Eastern people than they do with Eastern Europeans for instance.

The same Semitic Phoenicians also colonized large parts of Southern Europe and Northern Africa where they founded dozens of famous European cities and settled. Hannibal was one of them. Who belonged to the Carthaginians (Punics) who were ancestors of the Phoenicians and who spoke an Semitic language.

Greeks nor Romans were described as the white/pale stereotype that you probably have in your mind. Rather the opposite.

All that is prevalent across the entire Arab world. Nothing to do with "European genes". In the highlands of Yemen you can find plenty of those types. This was even quickly noticed by the same European racialists of the late 19th and early 20th century.

Romans had a present as south as Yemen.

Pigmentation (quickly tanned skin when exposed to sun) has nothing to do with your ancestry. Besides I have seen plenty of Italians and Greeks that would fit everywhere in the Arab world nearly or nearby areas. If you take a look at their two football teams then all of them would not look strange or out of the place in the Arab world unlike an Indian, Uzbek or Chinese for instance.


Anyway very interesting find nevertheless.

I remember watching a documentary on T.V about immigrants coming to America and Arabs from the ottoman empire were allowed in because they were considered white whereas turks were not allowed in because they were mongoloid.
 
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I wonder if this is from a city which is now underwater or somebody dumped it there to save it from the Arabs.
You speak as if you are superior to the Arabs with your mixed mongoloid blood. many things you adapted from the Arabs such as religion since most Turks are Muslim and also your food. Do not speak like you are a white supremacist, white folks want your kind out of your Europe.
 
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You speak as if you are superior to the Arabs with your mixed mongoloid blood. many things you adapted from the Arabs such as religion since most Turks are Muslim and also your food. Do not speak like you are a white supremacist, white folks want your kind out of your Europe.

We didn't adobt religion from the Arabs. Islam isn't something just for Arabs rather it is for all mankind.

Secondly you are denying that fact Arabs adopted alot of food from the Turks aswell.

When it comes to food the fact is that cultures exchange food. If it tastes good you eat it and you cook it. Thats why In America they eat Chinese, Italian, and Mediteranean food.
 
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