Analysis: Pakistan's 'indigenous' UAV, missiles may not be as homegrown as claimed

[IrbiS]

After popping the patriotism baloon, now we finally admit that it's ch-3

 

[Darth Vader]

With limited resources pakistan is doing better then india and matching weapon for weapon or some time doing better too.

very soon someone gone call you false flagger

 

[xyxmt]

Neither is India's Tejas. You buy your engines, radars and other avionics from other countries.

yeah but everything India is made by "Indigenous Industries Russia, Inc." and thats what they mean that if anything made outside that company isn't Indigenous, and theoraticaly it make sense

 

[The SC]

Thread should be titled stupid troll attempt at analysis...

 

[Mitro]

I am use to it and i don't give a damn about them.

very soon someone gone call you false flagger

 

[shaheenmissile]

Indian Drones are Istaeli origin.

After popping the patriotism baloon, now we finally admit that it's ch-3

Based on CH-3 but bigger than CH-3 and Pakistan made sensors and Ground station.

 

[airmarshal]

It cant be a totally Pakistani product, it has to accepted. But it still was produced in Pakistan. If it resembles some Chinese product, then is it a crime? Pakistan has very close military cooperation with China. Obviously, Pakistan would not like to mention the source of technology or design.

 

[Beast]

Pakistan can made as many as they want. It better than begging for some expensive toys, right?

 

[tarrar]

So now our Armed drones are sending panic attacks through out the world & we can already hear the cries of India.

 

[JonAsad]

Well lets suppose its not indigenous- will it not fly Or fire or kill terrorists?-

 

[nomi007]

The Pakistan Army announced on 13 March that it had successfully fired the indigenous Barq laser-guided missile from a NESCOM Burraq unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).

Initial analysis of a video of the missile firings released by the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) agency suggests a striking resemblance of the reportedly indigenous Burraq UAV to the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) CH-3 UAV. IHS Jane's reported in 2010 that China was preparing to deliver 20 CH-3s, along with the CASC FT-5 65 kg-class 'small diameter bomb', to Pakistan in 2011.

Further analysis of the video has shown that not only is the provenance of the UAV questionable, but also that of missile and the validity of the firings.
Analysis: Pakistan's 'indigenous' UAV, missiles may not be as homegrown as claimed - IHS Jane's 360

kyun g takleef start ho ge he

 

[AliWaqar]

We proud On it

 

[ares]

If a country gains the ability to design and put together a piece of hardware then it becomes indigenous regardless from where the knowledge was sourced?

By that definition ..almost all Indian hardware is indigenous,.fow we buy most military hardware with full TOT and then assemble and modify it locally eg Su-30 MKIs, Jaguar, T90 S tank, Scorpene etc.

Just because you did an underhand deal for CH-3 and the missile with TOT, repainted it..bought the engine from a different country and assembled both..does not make the end product indigenous.

 

[My-Analogous]

Well Pakistan followed the short cut,

developing a completely indigenous UCAV requires alot of time but we needed a operational UCAV now instead a decade later


So we modified the Chinese UCAV with Austrian engine and some local electronics.

As per latest source's the UCAV has also experienced combat by bombing terrorists hideouts.

I am sure,firms in Pakistan will also either be developing already or develop in future a true indigenous UCAV of Pakistan origin

Pakistan have a long history of UAV and we are in this department since 15 years. Please check our idea master by USA.

• Firefly

Integrated Dynamics began development of the Firefly mini-rocket UAV in late 2004 in response to the Pakistan Army operational requirements for a high speed, short range observation system that could be used in the high-altitude environments of northern Pakistan. A basic system costs around $3,000 and comprises four rockets, launcher, carry case, data-link and a PDA-based ground control station.

The Firefly is powered by a commercially available miniature solid fuel rocket motor that gives a flight time of approximately 8 seconds. The UAV can cover 800-1,000 m (2,600-3,300 ft) before disintegrating on impact with the ground. The airframe is constructed from PVC plastic with glass-fibre fins for stabilisation. The payload is a fixed focal-length disposable CCD video camera and a 1.5 GHz L-band data-link. The UAV is launched by a hand-held "gun". Flight testing for the system began in mid-2005 and Firefly sub-systems were being used to support the development of a hand-launched micro-UAV.

The new micro-UAV, based on a 200 mm (8 in) flying wing constructed from vacuum-moulded plastic, was due to start flight-testing in 2006. The micro-UAV is estimated to have a range of 1 km and endurance of approximately 30 minutes.[2]

Integrated Dynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pakistan can made as many as they want. It better than begging for some expensive toys, right?

yes mate we have lot of range as per our requirement.

Ababeel (Small Scale Target Drone), developed by PAC

Ababeel III (Target Drone),developed by Albadeey Technologies.

Aerobot (Various research purposes), developed by Pakistan Aerospace.

Bazz UAV (Target Drone), developed by Technocrafts.

Baaz UAV (large) (Large Scale Target Drone), developed by PAC

Border Eagle (Surveillance Drone),developed by Integrated Dynamics.

NESCOM Burraq (Combat drone developed by NESCOM).

Explorer UAV (Civilian UAV), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Falco UAV (Version of Italian drone built by PAC under licence.)

Firefly UAV (Rocket Propelled UAV), under development by Integrated Dynamics.

Flamingo UAV (Medium Range UAV), Reconnaissance Drone built by SATUMA.

FST UAV(Full Scale Trainer UAV), developed by SATUMA.

GIDS Shahpar, developed by GIDS.

Hawk MK-V UAV, developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Hornet UAV (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

HST UAV (Half Scale Trainer UAV), developed by SATUMA.

HUMA I (Remote Sensing), developed by Integrated Defence Systems.

Jasoos (Reconnaissance Drone), developed by SATUMA.

Jasoos II (Bravo +), (Tactical Range Reconnaissance), developed by SATUMA.

Jumbo Bazz (Larger Version of Bazz), developed by Technocrafts.

Mini Electric UAV (Silent UAV), developed by Technocrafts.

Mukhbaar (Short Range Reconnaissance Drone), developed by SATUMA.

Nishan MK-II (High-Speed Target Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Nishan TJ-1000 (Jet-Powered Target Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Rover UAV (Civilian Scientific Data Gatherer), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Satuma NB-X2

Satuma Jassos

Shadow MK-II (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Shooting Star UAV (High Speed Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.

Stingray UAV (Mini UAV), developed by SATUMA.

Tornado UAV (Decoy UAV), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Tunder SR (Short Range Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.

Tunder LR (Long Range Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.

Uqab UAV (Real Time Reconnaissance), developed by ACES.

Uqab-II (Naval Variant of the Uqab), Pakistan Navy has inducted first squadron.

Vector UAV (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Vision MK-I (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

Vision MK-II (Larger version of MK-I), developed by Integrated Dynamics.

 

[waz]

Its been discussed to death. The air frame is CH-3. Burraq is slightly larger, has an Austrian power pack, the EOTS is Pakistani, so is the data link and ground stations. The Missile is based on AR-1 with Hellfire components we found from recovered hellfires. It works fine, we can produce as many as we like and it kills talis, rest is irreverent.

This.....

But even with striking differences, I'm sure some Indian posters will say that it has more of a striking "resemblance" therefore it's a paint job, fix kit, not theirs and so forth.