America's help for muslims over the years

[Developereo]

Anti-Americanism has become fashionable lately, but the US has also done a lot of good for muslims over the years.

- Bosnia: The Europeans imposed an arms embargo on the Bosnians who were getting massacred by the Serbians with full access to the Yugoslav army weapons. The US stepped in and saved the Bosnians.

- Kosova: While the Europeans were fidgeting around like old ladies and shedding crocodile tears, it was the Americans who came in and stopped the ethnic cleansing. US has been the staunchest supporter for Kosova's independence.

- Turkey: US continues to strongly support Turkey's inclusion in the EU, while France and Germany are vehemently opposed to it.

- Pakistan: US has given immense amounts of humanitarian aid to Pakistan. For the Kashmir earthquake and the Swat IDPs, the US was by far the biggest donor.

- Indonesia: The US was one of the largest aid contributors after the tsunami.

- US: American muslims are far more integrated and welcome than muslims in Europe. Just one example: Faced with the muslim headscarf, the French decided to punish 12 year old schoolgirls and banned the headscarf. The US Girls Scouts, on the other hand, incorporated the headscarf into its dress code to enourage muslim girls to participate.

 

[A1Kaid]

Anti-Americanism has become fashionable lately, but the US has also done a lot of good for muslims over the years.

- Bosnia: The Europeans imposed an arms embargo on the Bosnians who were getting massacred by the Serbians with full access to the Yugoslav army weapons. The US stepped in and saved the Bosnians.

- Kosova: While the Europeans were fidgeting around like old ladies and shedding crocodile tears, it was the Americans who came in and stopped the ethnic cleansing. US has been the staunchest supporter for Kosova's independence.

- Turkey: US continues to strongly support Turkey's inclusion in the EU, while France and Germany are vehemently opposed to it.

- Pakistan: US has given immense amounts of humanitarian aid to Pakistan. For the Kashmir earthquake and the Swat IDPs, the US was by far the biggest donor.

- Indonesia: The US was one of the largest aid contributors after the tsunami.

- US: American muslims are far more integrated and welcome than muslims in Europe. Just one example: Faced with the muslim headscarf, the French decided to punish 12 year old schoolgirls and banned the headscarf. The US Girls Scouts, on the other hand, incorporated the headscarf into its dress code to enourage muslim girls to participate.

- Turkey: US continues to strongly support Turkey's inclusion in the EU, while France and Germany are vehemently opposed to it.-Developereo

Don't be naive here, I have spoken with many Turkish people many well informed and educated and understand the Geo-Political implications of Turkey joining the EU. In spite of economic fortune to be gained and access to European markets, many Turks are fed up with the EU drama, and most Turks do not want to join the EU it's really only the AKP pushing for this move...


There are very harmful consequences the E.U is placing on Turkey as pre-conditions and regulations for Turkey to join E.U. Some which I will not mention publicly.

Most E.U. states oppose Turkey because then Turkish immigrants will flood into E.U. Also Turkey would become the largest EU State replacing Germany, Turkey would have the most seats in EU Parliament, so the power dynamic would really change in the EU. The Europeans fear this.

Also the Turkish government is often threaten by E.U. leaders by saying if Turkey doesn't do this and that we won't allow them into the E.U. Turkey is being told to shoot itself in the foot and more by compromising it's national security issues-like open borders with Armenia a enemy of Turkey.

Turkey is being told to privatize it's strategic national corporations and assets that are nation's economic life line!

The Turkish people understand this therefore many of the educated one's oppose this and couldn't give a damn about the EU. The pre-conditions and regulations that will be placed on Turkey will be much different then the conditions placed on Sweden, that's for sure...

"- Kosova: While the Europeans were fidgeting around like old ladies and shedding crocodile tears, it was the Americans who came in and stopped the ethnic cleansing. US has been the staunchest supporter for Kosova's independence."-Developereo

Don't be naive, US support for Kosovo was something planned decades ago by their Foreign policy strategist. The independence of Kosovo was largely done as an affront to Russia, because Serbia is Russia's key ally in Europe and both are Slavic states. So granting Kosovo independence from Russia's key ally Serbia was a major affront to Russia. It was NOT done by the US to help Muslims...Please examine the bigger picture.

"Anti-Americanism has become fashionable lately"-Develeporeo

Yes, as it should be.

"-Bosnia: The Europeans imposed an arms embargo on the Bosnians who were getting massacred by the Serbians with full access to the Yugoslav army weapons. The US stepped in and saved the Bosnians."

I strongly disagree with your interpretation. This was not done to save Muslims rather it was done to maintain stability and prevent further War in Europe, European stability is very important to the West, particularly Europe. They did not want an ally of Russia, Serbia creating a mess in the European mainland.

 

[Thomas]

Don't be naive here, I have spoken with many Turkish people many well informed and educated and understand the Geo-Political implications of Turkey joining the EU. In spite of economic fortune to be gained and access to European markets, many Turks are fed up with the EU drama, and most Turks do not want to join the EU it's really only the AKP pushing for this move...


There are very harmful consequences the E.U is placing on Turkey as pre-conditions and regulations for Turkey to join E.U. Some which I will not mention publicly.

Most E.U. states oppose Turkey because then Turkish immigrants will flood into E.U. Also Turkey would become the largest EU State replacing Germany, Turkey would have the most seats in EU Parliament, so the power dynamic would really change in the EU. The Europeans fear this.

Also the Turkish government is often threaten by E.U. leaders by saying if Turkey doesn't do this and that we won't allow them into the E.U. Turkey is being told to shoot itself in the foot and more by compromising it's national security issues-like open borders with Armenia a enemy of Turkey.

Turkey is being told to privatize it's strategic national corporations and assets that are nation's economic life life!

The Turkish people understand this therefore many of the educated one's oppose this and couldn't give a damn about the EU. The pre-conditions and regulations that will be placed on Turkey will be much different then the conditions placed on Sweden, that's for sure...





Don't be naive, US support for Kosovo was something planned decades ago by their Foreign policy strategist. The independence of Kosovo was largely done as an affront to Russia, because Serbia is Russia's key ally in Europe and both are Slavic states. So granting Kosovo independence from Russia's key ally Serbia was a major affront to Russia. It was NOT done by the US to help Muslims...Please examine the bigger picture.



Yes, as it should be.




I strongly disagree with your interpretation. This was not done to save Muslims rather it was done to maintain stability and prevent further War in Europe, European stability is very important to the West, particularly Europe. They did not want an ally of Russia, Serbia creating a mess in the European mainland.

if you feel so strongly the U.S. is so bad why do you live in the U.S.? isn't the second flag in the our profiles the country of residence?

 

[Developereo]

Don't be naive here, I have spoken with many Turkish people many well informed and educated and understand the Geo-Political implications of Turkey joining the EU. In spite of economic fortune to be gained and access to European markets, many Turks are fed up with the EU drama, and most Turks do not want to join the EU it's really only the AKP pushing for this move...


There are very harmful consequences the E.U is placing on Turkey as pre-conditions and regulations for Turkey to join E.U. Some which I will not mention publicly.

I do agree with you that the EU is just playing with Turkey. They have absolutely no intention of admitting Turkey and it is painful to see our Turkish brothers humiliated time and again by EU demands.

You are right that the EU demands for Serbia, for example, are nowhere near comparable to their demands for Turkey. The EU parliament even refused to acknowledge the Serbian massacres in Bosnia as 'attempted genocide'.

But this is getting off topic...

 

[Canaan]

actually one of the main reasons, confirmed several times by especially the french, is that the EU is a "Christian Club" with no room for a huge muslim country like Turkey.

Although it's not clearly visible, the crusader mentality is very much alive among the white European elite.

 

[EjazR]

Well dont forget to add that the US helped Saudi Arabia in the first gulf war against Iraq. No matter the controversies surrounding it. It woul'dnt have been won so swiftly without US involvement when Saddam had the 4th largest army in the world.

I know because I was living next to a saudi airforce base in KSA at that time

 

[gubbi]

if you feel so strongly the U.S. is so bad why do you live in the U.S.? isn't the second flag in the our profiles the country of residence?

^^^ LOL, best comeback eva...

I would say its hypocrisy at its finest!

Unfortunately this is not the exception, rather, seems to be a rule. And its not only with the US, its prevalent among many of the diaspora living in other 'Godless western' countries.

Like Developero said, the Americans are probably the only people who assimilate any Muslims without much ado. Inspite of that, they are the most hated people in the Muslim world.

 

[TruthSeeker]

if you feel so strongly the U.S. is so bad why do you live in the U.S.? isn't the second flag in the our profiles the country of residence?

Thomas, you are somewhat new to the Forum so you are unaware that the stridently anti-American posters here, who show US location flags, will never rise to answer your question. Instead, they will assert that it is because they know the evil of America so well, living here, that they can speak with true knowledge of the inhumane motives of "America". Most are students in US universities. I have come to believe that they have a psychological problem of self-hatred and anger at their home countries (and perhaps their parents for the second generation immigrant posters) that are so incompetent in providing meaningful opportunities to realize their aspirations, that they can only relieve their feelings of frustration and regret by lashing out with outrageous libels against their host country. There are only about a dozen here who are like this. You can look at their "friends" lists to tease out the cohort. It may also be that more confident and satisfied foreign students and immigrant children aren't drawn to spend their time on a Forum such as this. So we see a fringe sample of "host-hating guests", US haters who live here. Some of them may even receive financial support from their US schools!!! A few of them are citizens, I think. Fortunately we have enough confidence in the goodness of OUR nation to let their hatred slide off into the gutter where it belongs.

Sticks and stones can break our bones,
but WORDS will never hurt us .....

 

[Developereo]

the Americans are probably the only people who assimilate any Muslims without much ado. Inspite of that, they are the most hated people in the Muslim world.

Well, speaking as one Muslim, I would say that anti-Americanism in the Muslim world is largely due to America's Middle East policies which are under a complete Zionist chokehold.

For better or for worse, given the US' enormous power, it is capable of great good and equally great harm. Almost everybody, Muslims included, would acknowledge that US domestic policies are among the best.

The US Constitution and Bill of Rights are superb documents which should be an inspiration to all countries.

 

[BATMAN]

Anti-Americanism has become fashionable lately, but the US has also done a lot of good for muslims over the years.

- Bosnia: The Europeans imposed an arms embargo on the Bosnians who were getting massacred by the Serbians with full access to the Yugoslav army weapons. The US stepped in and saved the Bosnians.

- Kosova: While the Europeans were fidgeting around like old ladies and shedding crocodile tears, it was the Americans who came in and stopped the ethnic cleansing. US has been the staunchest supporter for Kosova's independence.

- Turkey: US continues to strongly support Turkey's inclusion in the EU, while France and Germany are vehemently opposed to it.

- Pakistan: US has given immense amounts of humanitarian aid to Pakistan. For the Kashmir earthquake and the Swat IDPs, the US was by far the biggest donor.

- Indonesia: The US was one of the largest aid contributors after the tsunami.

- US: American muslims are far more integrated and welcome than muslims in Europe. Just one example: Faced with the muslim headscarf, the French decided to punish 12 year old schoolgirls and banned the headscarf. The US Girls Scouts, on the other hand, incorporated the headscarf into its dress code to enourage muslim girls to participate.

You think there are no non Muslims living in those countries above?
By your formulae all the aid going to india would be (conditional) for hindus?

Why limit the gauge? US can also be classified as the only country who killed most Muslims population (directly or indirectly)

 

[Developereo]

Thomas, you are somewhat new to the Forum so you are unaware that the stridently anti-American posters here, who show US location flags, will never rise to answer your question. Instead, they will assert that it is because they know the evil of America so well, living here, that they can speak with true knowledge of the inhumane motives of "America". Most are students in US universities. I have come to believe that they have a psychological problem of self-hatred and anger at their home countries (and perhaps their parents for the second generation immigrant posters) that are so incompetent in providing meaningful opportunities to realize their aspirations, that they can only relieve their feelings of frustration and regret by lashing out with outrageous libels against their host country. There are only about a dozen here who are like this. You can look at their "friends" lists to tease out the cohort. It may also be that more confident and satisfied foreign students and immigrant children aren't drawn to spend their time on a Forum such as this. So we see a fringe sample of "host-hating guests", US haters who live here. Some of them may even receive financial support from their US schools!!! A few of them are citizens, I think. Fortunately we have enough confidence in the goodness of OUR nation to let their hatred slide off into the gutter where it belongs.

Sticks and stones can break our bones,
but WORDS will never hurt us .....

Wrong on every count.

Every anti-American post I have seen here is cirtical of US foreign policy, not of its citizens. There are many American citizens who are critical of the country's foreign policies, and many of the posters here may well be dual citizens.

The "love it or leave it" mentality may play well on Faux News and Rush Limbaugh, but mainstream American society is perfectly tolerant of civil dissent.

 

[BATMAN]

if you feel so strongly the U.S. is so bad why do you live in the U.S.? isn't the second flag in the our profiles the country of residence?

Where did he said US is bad?
I think all problem with US is that in recent years some hawks in US have admitted so many indians that not only its demography has been altered but their can clearly be seen sharp rise in anti Muslim population.
Going by your formulae... minority should have no opinnion or is it you who don't want to see any opposition to US foreign policy.

 

[TruthSeeker]

US can also be classified as the only country who killed most Muslims population (directly or indirectly)

How would you prove this statement? By relying on the weasel-word "indirectly"? If true facts could be assembled, I would bet that Mao's China or Stalins's Russia killed more Muslims, in their own countries, than any other "nation" has. India and Pakistan are probably next with their activities at partition and 1971. Further, in the great scheme of things not that many Muslims have been killed by State power as compared to other religious groupings. Far more Christians and Jews have been killed by State power than have Muslims. The Turks killed far more Armenian Christians then the US has ever killed of Muslims.

But, know one can ever definitively know the exact numbers of the deaths of various groups in past history, and you rejected the listing of conflict deaths that I posted many months ago that totally disproves your statement above.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/20617-conflict-death-20th-century.html

 

[Developereo]

You think there are no non Muslims living in those countries above?
By your formulae all the aid going to india would be (conditional) for hindus?

Well, in Bosnia and Kosova the population was being targetted precisely because they were Muslim. Turkey is being exclued from EU mainly because it is Muslim. The Swat IDPs, Kashmir earthquake, and Indonesia tsunami victims are almost all Muslims.

So it's safe to say that the overwhelming beneficiaries of US support in these cases were Muslim.

Why limit the gauge? US can also be classified as the only country who killed most Muslims population (directly or indirectly)

That's a tough one. There's so much competition, not least from Muslims ourselves. I don't know history well enough to decide who was the worst. I know Stalin deported 650,000 Chechens to Siberia and Central Asia, killing many thousands.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The "love it or leave it" mentality may play well on Faux News and Rush Limbaugh, but mainstream American society is perfectly tolerant of civil dissent.

I agree. That's what I said, in different words, at the end of my post. But I disagree that the posts only assail Anerican foreign policy. Many of them trail over into assigning nefarious "motives" to American foreign policy and cannot give any credit where credit is due. These particular posters are not balanced.