American imperialism and ruthlessness masquerading as freedom and democracy.

[gambit]

Criticism does nothing in the case of the US, would do nothing in the case of China either.

Most realistic and pragmatic steps is to control your own home so it cannot be a victim to foreign powers. Just like China has done quite well

When China was weak and JPN occupied Manchuria, in the interest of peace, the US effectively spoke for China in a deal with JPN that the US will do nothing regarding Manchuria. That can be seen as an 'evil' act. But once WW II started, the US defended China against JPN. So which act is greater? Do they cancel each other out to make the US morally neutral again? Possibly too 'nuanced'.

 

[MajesticPug]

Sure - but neither do hot pots or broiled actual dogs make China or Biryani or Tikkas make Pakistan good countries either.
However, not many Americans clamoring to go to China nor are “USA towns” in China but every major American city has Chinatowns with mamy economic migrants.

What are you trying to say? Nothing? Yeah, nothing that matters to America's 'good and bad' standing. Learn to read better, bud.

 

[gambit]

This is party of US history 101, taught in University. I am not pulling this out if my rear. Go blame historians.

In Engineering, you solve problems in reverse. If there is a problem, you triage, put on bandages to stop the bleeding, then you work back to the root cause(s).

Saying 'The US is an evil country' is a root cause statement. But people keep coming to the US is a band-aid problem. As long as people keep coming to the US, you will never be able to fix the root cause. Like I said earlier that immigration/emigration is ultimately a POLITICAL statement, and a positive one at that, immigration/emigration to the US contradict the root cause statement. Immigration/emigration is reality. The root cause statement is speculative, interpretive, or even nebulous. The immigrant/emigre may not even like the US, but his current situation is so dire that he feels he has no choice but to jump the fence into the US, thereby being a contributor to the economic and political power of the country that he does not like or even hate.

So what the Engineer has to do is somehow do more than just saying 'The US is an evil country' because that root cause statement is not working, either because it is false or far too ineffective. A scientist came to the US and all his work is credited to the US, not his birth country, and he knows this is true, and yet he willingly jumped the fence. Is the US not evil enough for him? Or maybe he grasped the nuances of his actions and the 'evil' claim better than the pseudo intellectual critics?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Name calling is prominent among everybody. I see whites immediately jumping on racist labels to insult others whenever they get frustrated. Pretty funny that Harmatia is somehow trying to label it an Asian thing, seems like he’s doing what he typically does, deflecting any criticism of white folks.

Oh yeah all those times every day I call the Chinese PDF members here "Indians"...oh wait I think I have that backwards...

 

[gambit]

Oh yeah all those times every day I call the Chinese PDF members here "Indians"...oh wait I think I have that backwards...

Yeah...I told everyone that I have Indian ancestry from my mother side, and ever since, I am 'Indian'.

 

[tower9]

Oh yeah all those times every day I call the Chinese PDF members here "Indians"...oh wait I think I have that backwards...

I have seen with my own eyes many times where White people would jump on someone’s ethnicity as a way of insulting them, especially when that said person is Asian, Mexican or Muslim. They hesitate to do that with Black people though cuz they are scared of a beat down.

But White people jump to labels all the time. In fact when it comes to IRL scenarios not this weird PDF rabbit hole, in an argument between a white person and an Asian person, the White person is far more likely to jump on racial monikers as an insult than the Asian person. Far far more likely.

 

[Avicenna]

I have seen with my own eyes many times where White people would jump on someone’s ethnicity as a way of insulting them, especially when that said person is Asian, Mexican or Muslim. They hesitate to do that with Black people though cuz they are scared of a beat down.

But White people jump to labels all the time. In fact when it comes to IRL scenarios not this weird PDF rabbit hole, in an argument between a white person and an Asian person, the White person is far more likely to jump on racial monikers as an insult than the Asian person. Far far more likely.

Bro you bring too much "nuanced" truth to the table.

Some of the folks on this thread are either obtuse or intellecutally dishonest.

And the title of the thread is absolutely correct.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I have seen with my own eyes many times where White people would jump on someone’s ethnicity as a way of insulting them, especially when that said person is Asian, Mexican or Muslim. They hesitate to do that with Black people though cuz they are scared of a beat down.

But White people jump to labels all the time. In fact when it comes to IRL scenarios not this weird PDF rabbit hole, in an argument between a white person and an Asian person, the White person is far more likely to jump on racial monikers as an insult than the Asian person. Far far more likely.

Nice! Thanks for using them as an excuse shield for PDF transgressions.

We caused the Dodo to go extinct too...I'm sure you can leverage that for something too.

 

[tower9]

Nice! Thanks for using them as an excuse shield for PDF transgressions.

You’re the one who seems to think applying labels is an “Asian” thing. In fact, you’re the only one who has ascribed that practice to any specific ethnicity. But it seems like you can’t handle the fact that IN REALITY, your ethnicity is the one more guilty of resorting to labels when involved in an argument with others.

 

[etylo]

When China was weak and JPN occupied Manchuria, in the interest of peace, the US effectively spoke for China in a deal with JPN that the US will do nothing regarding Manchuria. That can be seen as an 'evil' act. But once WW II started, the US defended China against JPN. So which act is greater? Do they cancel each other out to make the US morally neutral again? Possibly too 'nuanced'.

US defended itself in WW II only for its own sake when it was attacked and bombed by Japanese in Pearl harbour. Before that, US were selling iron and oil to Japan that put US on the side of Japanese invasion of China. US never acted in the interest of China and never defended China, dont BS here.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You’re the one who seems to think applying labels is an “Asian” thing. In fact, you’re the only one who has ascribed that practice to any specific ethnicity. But it seems like you can’t handle the fact that IN REALITY, your ethnicity is the one more guilty of resorting to labels when involved in an argument with others.

I never claimed a 100% to 0% ratio.

I just think it is far too common on PDF for threads to result in some kind of Pakistani/Indian/Chinese/Vietnamese name-calling sh*tshow. It's ridiculous.

Now I'm not saying this is an exclusive club. For instance it seems a certain Greek member has no problems stirring things up. Not sure if it revolves around name-calling.

 

[Wolfhunter]

So anyway…

 

[tower9]

I never claimed a 100% to 0% ratio.

I just think it is far too common on PDF for threads to result in some kind of Pakistani/Indian/Chinese/Vietnamese name-calling sh*tshow. It's ridiculous.

Now I'm not saying this is an exclusive club. For instance It seems a certain Greek member has no problems stirring things up. Not sure if it revolves around name-calling.

Your claims are centered on the goings on in PDF, an extremely specific rabbit hole on the internet. While in reality, it has little impact on our daily lives.

Tell me in a scenario in say a cafe, where an Asian worker fucked up someone’s drink or order and the customer was White versus a scenario where it was the reverse, who do you think would be more likely to use racialized language when venting out their anger about getting their order fucked up?

Now imagine that Asian person speaking with a heavy accent and the chances of the white person berating them racially probably goes up 5x more.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Your claims are centered on the goings on in PDF, an extremely specific rabbit hole on the internet. While in reality, it has little impact on our daily lives.

No you are going down the rabbit hole. This whole thing is about how PDF threads commonly get derailed by childish bickering/name calling not about some person in a cafe somewhere calling you a bad name.

Refer to post #102.

 

[hyperman]

Hey hypocrite yourself, people from the developing world has a right to take advantage of the West, when people from the West take advantage of the developing world you bloody hypocrite.

These murtads think that that if everyone was wearing miniskirts and there were bars and clubs everywhere, that suddenly there would be the same western economic standards, with skyscrapers popping up everywhere. Its clown logic, driven from a deep sense of insecurity and an inferiority complex. lol

Really isn't.
If you study human history you can see clear shifts in human societies.
For example, societies that adopted farming out competed hunter gather societies. How many hunter gather societies exist today? Not many.
Same with Bronze, then Iron, and now industrial. All societies that that were able to adapt were successful and societies that were unable to adapt were left behind.
Now it's easy to say "well just adapt" but the problem is that those societies and ours as well, have thousands of years of culture, tradition and civilization behind us. To "adapt", you have to give some, if not all of that up.
Japan is a perfect example. They literally had to give up their Samurai and feudal culture. Which they loved no less than we love Islam. They literally fought wars over it, but the right side won and now look at them.
So the question we have to ask ourselves is are we able to adapt or will we forever be in the current state?
Saying "we need to industrialize" is easy, but do we understand what that means?
It means to take power away from religion and become a more secular society. There is no other way.
(now before mullahs try to lynch me, secularism doesn't mean forced atheism, it just means that we stop lynching people for blasphemy)

Again, this is idiotically reductionist, for one thing, Japan was conquered by an outside power and rebuilt according to the wishes of said outside power, I can unpack the dynamics of post war japan further, but that would be too time consuming as you could probably write entire books on the matter. Secondly this imbecilic idea that adapting western aesthetics will suddenly change everything in terms of economics is foolish, economic growth and HDI development is a bit more complicated than that. Case in point, there are several African States that were colonized by Britain where the population converted to Protestant Christianity, adopted English aesthetics both socially and in Govt, yet we don't see economic development and growth like say for example in Qatar or the UAE, which shows that there is a lot more nuance here, than people becoming irreligious and somehow that leads to some sort of socioeconomic utopia. You can even see for example in the US, which is by far out of all western states, the most religious, and certainly far more religious than many post communist eastern bloc states, and yet despite those societies being irreligious they are in no way comparable on the socioeconomic front compared to the US.