American and Philippines demographic engineering against Moro Muslims

[Wholegrain]

If you want to skip the ancient history part, go down to where is says EXPLANATION ON DEMOGRAPHIC SWAMPING STARTS HERE

To clarify the situation with Muslims in the Philippines, I will first explain how the Philippines came about as a country and a national identity. The Philippines as a political unit and identity was created by Spanish colonialism. The Spanish named the islands after their King Philip II. Before the Spanish there was no unity. The Filipino people themselves are made out of various ethnic groups, the majority of them Catholic Christians because of Spanish colonialism.

Ethnic groups in the Philippines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Spanish also implemented a racist hirearchy in Filipino society like they did in Latin America. Spanish and Spanish mestizos were at the top of the hirearchy above the natives.

The Philippines consisted of various Muslim, Hindu, or animist Sultanates, Kingdoms and chiefdoms before the Spanish conquest. The Muslim Sultanates like Sulu were allied to Ming dynasty China and China temporarily appointed a governor over Luzon Island during the Yongle era.

The Muslims were just Moros whose homeland is in the southern Philippines, but the northern Kingdom of Maynila right where the present capital of the Philippines is was ruled by the Muslim Rajah Sulayman, a relative of the Brunei Sultans. The Spanish defeated Rajah Sulayman and forced the Muslims and animists in the northern Philippines to convert to Catholicism.

Kingdom of Maynila - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rajah Sulayman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Castille War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rajah Sulyaman had granted Chinese merchants a tract of land on which to settle in Maynila.

The Cambridge History of China - Google Books

When the Chinese heard about the Spanish invasion a Chinese pirate named Limahong attempted to expel the Spanish invaders but failed.

After the Spanish asserted control over the northern Philippines (Luzon and the Visayas) they attempted to wage war against the Moro Sultanates in Mindanao and Sulu for over 300 years but failed to conquer them. The Sultanates were Sulu and Maguindanao and various breakaway sultanates and datus.

A Local Church Living for Dialogue: Muslim-Christian Relations in Mindanao ... - William Larousse - Google Books

THE MORO WARS

Chapter III - The Moro-Spanish War

Philippine History Module-based Learning I' 2002 Ed. - Ongsotto, Et Al - Google Books

The people who fought and rebelled against the Spanish the most were Chinese and Muslim Moros.

The Spanish Governor of the Philippines Gómez Pérez Dasmariñas was assasinated by Chinese while in office. His son, another Governor of the Philippines, Luis Pérez Dasmariñas was killed and beheaded along with all his Spanish troops by Chinese rebels in 1603. The Chinese rebels defeated the first Spanish attack to round them up and hoisted the Spaniards heads over Manila after killing all of Dasmariñas's men, but they were outnumbered by another attack of Filipino and Japanese setllers who were serving the Spanish and who crushed the rebellion.

While the Spanish committed massacres against ethnic Chinese in 1603, 1663 and other times in Manila and forced them to live in a ghetto and pay higher taxes, the Moros never did. The Moro Sultan even allowed a Chinese temple to be built in their capital. The most the Moro Sultan ever worried about was a Chinese monopoly on trade and his reaction was not to massacre the Chinese but just to import other foreign merchants for conpetition. In 1663 Chinese Ming loyalists under Koxinga threatened the Spanish with war which forced them to withdraw their forces in Zamboanga which were fighting against the Moros.

Chinese merchants supplied the Moros with rifles and gunpowder to wage war against the Spanish invaders.

The Sulu Zone, 1768-1898: The Dynamics of External Trade, Slavery, and ... - James Francis Warren - Google Books

The Sulu Zone, 1768-1898: The Dynamics of External Trade, Slavery, and ... - James Francis Warren - Google Books

The Sulu Zone, 1768-1898: The Dynamics of External Trade, Slavery, and ... - James Francis Warren - Google Books

http://www.yuchengcomuseum.org/press-room/Beyond the Currents - The Power of Sulu.pdf

When the Spanish launched raids on the Moro capital of Jolo they burned both the Chinese quarter, the Sultan's palace and the mosque.

p. 14

http://sovereignsulu.webs.com/Short History-Sulu Sultanate.pdf

In 1758 4,000 Chinese joined the Moros on Jolo to fight against Spain.

United States Congressional serial set - Google Books

The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803: explorations - James Alexander Robertson - Google Books


@Lux de Veritas

Some Chinese have intermarried with the Moros. Most of the Chinese who had helped and married the Moros are Hokkien from Fujian.

Migration, Indigenization and Interaction: Chinese Overseas and Globalization - Google Books

The Spanish were always defeated until nearly the end of their rule in the Philippines. Only then did they managed to make Sulu and the other Moro states agree to become Spanish protectorates and not even integral parts of the Philippines.

The Filipinos started to revolt against Spanish rule under the leadership of Chinese mestizos. The major heroes who started and fought in the 1896 independence revolution in the Philippines against Spain were all Chinese mestizos. The Philipinne nationalist José Rizal was of Chinese descent through the patrilineal line, and Emilio Aguinaldo and Andrés Bonifacio were also both Chinese mestizos

After America defeated Spain in the Spanish American war, then the conflict with America and the Philippines government started.

The Moros fought against the Spanish, the Americans, the Japanese and then waged an insurgency against the Philippines government.

EXPLANATION ON DEMOGRAPHIC SWAMPING STARTS HERE


Moro Muslims were a majority a century ago in their homeland of Mindanao. They used to rule the entire island and the Sulu archipelago as well through various Sultanates like Maguindanao and Sulu

Dut to the policies of the American colonial administration and the subsequent Philippines government, the Moro Muslims now make up a minority. The American and the Philippines government encouraged massive immigration of Christian ethnic groups like Visayans into Mindanao in order to displace Moro Muslims from their land.

There are 22 million people currently on Mindanao today. Only 20%% of that are Moro Muslims. Just 20%, while they were previously a majority. The Maguindanao Sultanate used to extend across the entire island.

Islam and the Politics of Identity, UHM Center for Philippine Studies

Contested territory - Territorially, Mindanao is a contested region because many Muslims believe that this is their traditional homeland. They were a majority group in Mindanao and Sulu before the colonial period, but were reduced to a marginalized, demographic minority after 1960. Now they constitute only about 20% of Mindanao population, although they are predominant in five provinces under the jurisdiction of the Autonomous Region for Muslim Mindanao (ARMM).

The American administration was not even supposed to have jurisdiction over the internal affairs Moro Sultanates. The Bates Treaty signed by the Moros with the Americans guaranteed that and was supposed to leave the Sultanates intact with self governance.

Immediately after the Philippines American war was finished against the Filipino rebels in the Nortth, the Americans violated the Bates treaty with no provocation from the Moros and waged war against the Moros in the Moro Rebellion to incorporate them into the Philippines. They used brutal methods like tortures and massacres and committed many atrocities during the war.

Moro Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Americans began the process of shipping Christian Visayans onto Mindanao and displacing the Moros. They and the Philippines government have done it today and have been so succesful as you can see from the current demographic figures of the Philippines.

Problems of Filipino Settlers - Eva Horakova - Google Books

A Local Church Living for Dialogue: Muslim-Christian Relations in Mindanao ... - William Larousse - Google Books

Elections and Democratization in the Philippines - Jennifer Conroy Franco - Google Books

Bad Blood: Militia Abuses in Mindanao, the Philippines - Google Books

Ethnicity in Asia - Colin Mackerras - Google Books

Ungoverned Territories: Understanding and Reducing Terrorism Risks - Google Books

Land Reform and Politics: A Comparative Analysis - Hongchao Dai, Tai Hung Chao - Google Books

Mindanao Statecraft and Ecology: Moros, Lumads, and Settlers Across the ... - Eric S. Casiño - Google Books

Right now, the main Moro rebel outfit is engaged in negotiations with the Philippines government over an agreement that will only give them a small amount of autonomy in a small strip of their former homeland of Mindanao called the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao. And the majority of the land and resources goes to non Moros.

See how small it is compared to the entire island.

Not a word has been published in the western media about the demographic engineering and swamping against the Moros. Thats because when America and its Allies do something bad, its always okay to the west.

 

[Wholegrain]

MNLF Official Website

BANGSAMORO YOUTH CORNER
08 October 2012

HISTORICAL AND "HUMAN WRONG" OF PHILIPPINE COLONIALISM:
HOW NOT TO RESPECT HISTORIC-HUMAN RIGHTS OF
BANGSAMORO AND CHINA?

By RRayhanR




Map of China, South China Sea and the Sulu Sea
Given the current dispute between Philippines and China over actual ownership of the islands in South China Sea and the unending Philippines-Bangsamoro war in Filipino-occupied, there are two fundamental questions that need crystal clarification, to wit:

Firstly, can Philippines respect the historical and human rights of the colonized Bangsamoro people and the peace-loving Chinese people?

Secondly, can the Luzon-based Filipino colonizers cease to perpetrate injustice against the historically-sovereign Moro Nation (Bangsamoro) and now emerging super power China?

It is often said that the Spanish-conceptualized Catholic Filipino nation as an American-inspired "fabricated Philippine State" only in July 5, 1946 or a proclaimed "Philippine Republic" in Cavite on June 12, 1898 can never consider history an "ally", but always an "enemy". This truism is validated by its genocidal war today with the colonized Bangsamoro people for more than four decades after the immoral arbitrary annexation of the Moro Nation in 1946 courtesy of the 1935 Philippine Commonwealth National Assembly Legislative Act no. 4197 otherwise known as the draconian Quirino-Recto Colonization Act.

This is also proven true in its present dispute with China over the group of islands located in South China Sea ("West Philippine Sea" shrewdly renamed recently by Manila government) that the Chinese government has categorically claimed owning based on historical rights, insisting that the Huanyan islands case is never a disputed issue because historical ownership rests on China by moral and human rights.

Clearly, Philippine colonialism can never show any historical precedent or antecedent that the Bangsamoro homeland of Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan (MINSUPALA) was ever a part and parcel of the "Philippine Republic" proclaimed by General Emilio Aguinaldo in Kawit, Cavite on June 12, 1898. Neither was the Moro Nation and the Bangsamoro people a willing "member" of the American-manufactured "Republic of the Philippines" on July 4, 1946 thanks to Filipino and American colonial conspiracy.

WHY IS PHILIPPINE COLONIALISM NOT RESPECTING HISTORICAL AND HUMAN RIGHTS OF BANGSAMORO AND CHINA?

It is vividly recorded in history that the Mindanao-based Sultanate of Sulu ("Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo" later in 1759) sovereignty was established way back in 1450 and followed in later years by the Sultanate of Maguindanao and Sultanate Buayan in Cotabato and the apat na pangampong district in Lanao. The Mindanao Sultanate government was promulgated way advance 448 years before the initial proclamation of the so-called Philippine Republic in 1898.

In history, the sovereign and independent Sultanate Government of the Muslim natives was recognized by no less than China, the oldest cradle and most flourishing civilization in Asia, the Madjapahit Empire (Indonesia today), Brunei, Malaysia and Western countries, such as Great Britain, Portugal, Dutch, and as well as Middle Eastern nations, like Muslim Arabia (Makkah), Hadramauth (Yemen) and Turkey.

Thus, the historical antecedents of the Mindanao Sultanate suzerainty are closely related to China. The two historical Asian independent nations had conducted ever since peaceful and friendly liaison, enjoying mutual cordial commercial and diplomatic intercourse. The Chinese merchants visiting Mindanao from all over China have always respect and trust for the Muslim and Animist native inhabitants of Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan, contributing historically to the close linkage of the two Asian equal trading partners.

In fact, the introduction of Islam to Mindanao can also be credited to China, which served since time immemorial a wide base marketing centre for the enterprising business merchants from the Middle East, particularly Makkah of early Muhammadan Arabia and Hadramauth (Yemen) during the earliest period of the pivotal impact of Islam in the Arab peninsula.

From China, Arabian Muslim traders, who were also learned and knowledgeable in Islamic dawah (propagation), continued travelling on board Chinese vessels to Sulu in late 1200s, preaching Islam to the Tausug natives, and gradually in later years to the Maguindanao, Iranun and Maranaw natives of mainland Mindanao, particularly Cotabato and Lanao.

The historical corner stone of the pleasant and warm relationship between the Mindanao Sultanate sovereignty and China is attested by the famous Poon Tau Kong Chinese temple built in the metropolis town of the island of Jolo near the biggest Islamic mosque and the introduction of varied Chinese influence and traits that abound in the early Moro Nation, including intermarriage between Chinese nationals with native inhabitants. Thus, the various descendants of Mindanaoan--Chinese blood until today have attested to the peaceful and harmonious co-existence of the people of the early Moro Nation and China.

Unfortunately, the ancient sacred Chinese temple and the historic Tulay mosque in the center of Jolo were burned and razed to the ground in 1974 when the colonial Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) fighter jet planes, helicopter gunships and naval battle ships bombarded indiscriminately the capital town. The historically-noted February 7-8, 1974 "Battle of Jolo" between the MNLF-Bangsamoro freedom fighters and the AFP occupation forces that Philippine colonialism under the murderous Marcos regime tried hard to suppress and to hide from local and global media coverage led to the massive burning of almost the entire civilian houses and commercial buildings. The heavy bombardment and burning of the capital town of Jolo resulted in the mass killing of more than 20,000 innocent and helpless Muslim civilians, including children, women and aged, and countless personal material losses

Toward this single atrocity and many more injustices perpetrated by Philippine colonialism against the colonized and oppressed Bangsamoro people in history marking the colonial genocidal war in Mindanao, no regional and global human rights centre have ever investigated the grave abuses of the Philippine government. The so-called Philippine Human Rights Commission has existed only to hide the "human wrongs" committed by Philippine colonialism against the colonized, oppressed and brutalized Muslim and Indigenous peoples of the Bangsamoro homeland.

Truth to tell, during the reign of Sulu Sultan Badar ud-Din and while paying China a state visit, he appealed to the Chinese Emperor to consider recognizing the Sultanate domain of Sulu as a direct integral province of China. However, the Chinese Emperor declined the request as not necessary since the two nations have a strong diplomatic and commercial relationship based on mutual trust and respect for each other's sovereignty and independence.

The refusal of the Chinese Emperor to annexation, although voluntary, of the early Sultanate dominion as part and member of China would only show that the Asian dominant nation has always believed on peace and harmony with its neighbors. China has always valued peace rather than war in order not to create tensions and animosities that lead to mass suffering, demographic division and physical devastation triggered by other foreign exploitative war-monger nations, like the tumultuous events that happened to Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines and Bangsamoro.

On this historical reality, the Moro Nation and China should not be convinced by Philippine colonialism to ignore and to forget the moral lessons of history. In as much as China has all the historical rights to uphold its moral obligation and responsibility to the islands in South China that Philippine colonialism is eagle-eyed to land-grab similar to Mindanao, the Bangsamoro people, waging now a freedom struggle for more than 40 years against "Imperial Manila", have also the historical rights and moral ground to continue their noble struggle to decolonize their ancestral homeland.

In the final analysis, although presently under colonization and occupation by Philippine colonialism, the oppressed Bangsamoro people of Mindanao can only call upon China to stand on solid historical ground. The Philippines may have succeeded in the past with American support in land-grabbing the Moro Nation by using the law of the jungle that "might is right" disguised as "rule of law" to weaken fundamental rights and to erase historical rights, but this legal jargon of duplicity and trickery should serve a historical lesson to China to be steadfast to protect its substantial historical and human rights and ancient national interest.

The Bangsamoro and Chinese peoples of Asia should always eye history as an asset and a foundation of truth, not an "enemy" of a fictitious colonial state like the Philippines. -rrr/bfs

AL QALAM | SULU TREATIES

The Muslim south’s relation with China antedated the arrival of the European colonizers in the region. According to Justice Rasul, “the Chinese came as early as 628 A.D.” mainly to trade with the Malays. “Under the Ming Dynasty, covering the years 1368-1644, the Chinese exercise some sort of suzerainty over the Philippine South… Since China, then a world power, did not interest itself in the acquisition or expansion of foreign territory due to her already wide land area, she contented herself with the collection of tributes from neighboring islands in the East as a symbol of submission and respect to the Great Middle Kingdom.”
A prime example of Chinese-Sulu contact is the historical account of Admiral Pei Pei Hsien, popularly known among the Tausug as Pun Tao Kong, who was part of the Chinese fleet which was under the command of Chinese navigator Sampao Kong or Chengho. Pun Tao Kong was forced by typhoon to seek succor in Jolo in the early part of the 1400s. Initially met with distrust, Poon Tao Kong, a Muslim and skilled at sword play, earned the admiration of the Tausugs. It is said that he built an artesian well in the vicinity of Maubuh, a seaside community in Jolo, which accounted for his tag among the natives as “Puntaukung” or “honorable fountainhead”. He was accorded great respect by the people of Jolo, and when he died, he was buried at the foot of a mountain in Jati Tunggal three kilometers from Jolo, where his tomb is periodically visited by some Tausugs.

The Spanish destroyed the Chinese quarter, the Sultan's palace and the mosque on one of their raids in Jolo.

http://sovereignsulu.webs.com/Short History-Sulu Sultanate.pdf

Many Chinese have mixed with the Moro Muslims so there are Chinese mestizo Muslims in the Philippines.

Migration, Indigenization and Interaction: Chinese Overseas and Globalization - Google Books

THE CHINESE COMMUNITY IN SULU SULTANATE

State And Society In The Philippines - Patricio N. Abinales, Donna J. Amoroso - Google Books

@ChinaToday @ChineseTiger1986 @ChinaToday @shuttler @HongWu @darkhero @cirr @KirovAirship

Since most of the Chinese people who lived with the Moros are Hokkien from Fujian I'm sure @Lux de Veritas would be interested in this.

 

[Developereo]

Thanks for another fascinating historical overview.

Not a word has been published in the western media about the demographic engineering and swamping

The media is an instrument of control.

The western media is the biggest crown jewel of global domination -- far stronger than mere military might.

 

[Zero_wing]

Man you guys never stop

ww.interaksyon.com/article/66303/moro-leaders-happy-with-signing-of-wealth-sharing-agreement-between-govt-and-milf

And only southern Mindanao is Muslim now people in the area both moros and others have accepted that fact but a small few still dont in short they wanna live in peace they are sick of war you should not speak so much about other peoples troubles but face your own i think tibet and east Turkestan are in agreement.

 

[Wholegrain]

America unilaterally tore up the Bates Treaty when it was convenient for them to take over Mindanao since the treaty blocked them from interferring in the internal affairs of the Moros. It also paved the way for the Moros incorporation into the Philippines.

The Bates Mission 1899

The Bates Agreement was important in that it detailed a scheme to govern American-Moro relations, apart from that for the rest of the Philippines, and kept the peace between for the next three years. It covered only the Sulu Archipelago and was written in two language versions, English and Jawi, the Arabic script used to express the Tausug language. The terms were published, translated into the other Moro languages, and used as the basis for a series of subsequent verbal agreements and understandings individually reached individually between General Bates and hundreds of Moro chiefs to govern American-Moro relations. The Bates Agreement was controversial from its inception, despite the fact it suited well the needs at the time of both the Moros covered (the Maranaos were not included) and the U.S. In part this was because it was (and still is) widely misunderstood, and deliberately misinterpreted by those who had other agendas. On March 21, 1904, the Bates Agreement was unilaterally abrogated by the United States when a letter proclaiming such was delivered to the Sultan of Sulu and the most powerful datus on the island of Jolo by General Leonard Wood. However, it took another three months to gain recognition of its abrogation by the Sultanate after receiving certain concessions.

Bates Treaty

The Bates Treaty
Madge Kho

(The author thanks Ernie Garcia, former director of ABS/CBN in the Philippines, and Jim Kaplan for their editorial comments.)

A relatively unknown but significant detail in Philippine history is the Bates Treaty, signed between the U.S. and the Sultanate of Sulu on August 20, 1899. This article looks into the background of that treaty and its consequences.

The Filipinos had been waging their War of Independence from Spain when the U.S. "won" the Spanish-American War in the battle of Manila Bay. Despite the opposition of anti-imperialist forces, the U.S. took possession of the Philippines. Disappointed by and bitter about this unexpected and unforeseen move by the country he had considered an ally, Filipino General Emilio Aguinaldo then turned the war into the Philippine American War. Now labeling the ongoing independence war an "insurrection," the U.S. proceeded to establish control of the Philippine Islands through force. Filipino forces were increasing in the north and becoming a growing concern of the U.S. military. In order to concentrate its limited forces in the north, and to hold at bay the Moro resistance to its colonization in the Sulu Archipelago, the United States resorted to the device of a treaty. Known as the Bates Treaty, it was the first step towards the dissolution of Moro (Muslim population of the southern Philippines) sovereignty and the dismantling of the Sulu Sultanate.

The Bates Treaty had promised to uphold mutual respect between the U.S. and the Sultanate of Sulu, to respect Moro autonomy, and to not give or sell Sulu or any part of it to any other nation. In addition, under this treaty the Sultan and his datus (tribal chiefs) were to receive monthly payments in return for flying the American flag and for allowing the U.S. the right to occupy lands on the islands.

When the Americans arrived in Jolo, they told Jamalul Kiram II, the sultan of Sulu, that the U.S. had taken over the affairs of Spain and asked the Sultan to recognize the U.S. in the place of Spain, and honor the 1878 provisions of the treaty, which the Sultan had signed with Spain. But the Sultan refused, stating that the U.S. was a different entity and that the U.S. should enter into a new treaty with the Sultanate.

The Spanish Treaty of Peace, signed on July 22, 1878, was the last one signed by the Sultan during the Spanish occupation of the town of Jolo. The treaty had allowed Spain to set up a small garrison, covering about 15 acres, in the town of Jolo. Outside the wall, the Sultan still ruled. Scholars fluent in both Spanish and Arabic found the treaty to have translation flaws, which would have implications in the 1898 cession of the Philippine Islands to the U.S. The Spanish version states that Spain had sovereignty over Sulu, whereas the Tausug version describes a protectorate relationship rather than a dependency of Spain. The treaty says that the customs, laws, and religion of the Moros would not be subjected to Spanish jurisdiction. It made Jolo a protectorate of Spain. This treaty also provided the sultan and his datus monthly payments of 250-1500 Mexican pesos. The sultan had the mistaken impression that the agreement with the Spaniards would be similar to the one he signed six months earlier with the British North Borneo Chartered Company, which paid him $5,000 annually for the use of his North Borneo territories (now Sabah). (The Philippines, under President Diosdado Macapagal in the 1960s, tried to reclaim Sabah in the world court. This continues to be a source of irritation between the Philippine and Malaysian governments.)

In place of the Spanish treaty, the sultan presented Brig. General John Bates with a 16-point proposal. The proposal allowed the U.S. to fly its flag side by side with the Sultanate's and required the U.S. to continue monthly payments to the sultan and his datus. The U.S. was not to occupy any of the land without the permission of the sultan. The sultan's proposal was rejected by Bates, because it did not acknowledge U.S. sovereignty.

Bates then countered with his 15-point proposal, which included the recognition of U.S. sovereignty over Sulu and its dependencies, the guarantee of non-interference with Moro religion and customs and a pledge that the "U.S. will not sell the island of Jolo or any other island of the Sulu Archipelago to any foreign nation without the consent of the Sultan."

The sultan resisted Bates's offer for several months, but he could not get unanimous support from his ruma bichara (ruling council) to press for his demands to the Americans. Because of this internal dissension, led by his own prime minister and adviser Hadji Butu and two of his top ranking datus, Datu Jolkanairn and Datu Kalbi, the sultan on August 20, 1899 conceded to the Americans. The treaty terms were much more favorable to the U.S. than what the Spanish treaty provided. According to Sixto Orosa, "The people did not wish to come under American sovereignty; but Hadji Butu recognizing the folly of armed resistance, exerted all his influence to prevent another useless and bloody war." Hadji Butu and his son, Hadji Gulamu Rasul would later become favorites of northern Filipinos for opposing the Sultan’s agama court and for favoring integration of Moros into the Philippine republic.

Whether the Bates treaty made a difference in later years, it is worth mentioning that there was a very critical translation error from English to Tausug. The word sovereignty was not used anywhere in the Tausug version. Article I of the Treaty in the Tausug version states "The support, aid, and protection of the Jolo Island and Archipelago are in the American nation," whereas the English version read "The sovereignty of the United States over the whole Archipelago of Jolo and its dependencies is declared and acknowledged." Najeeb Saleeby, an American of Lebanese descent who was assigned to Mindanao and Sulu, caught the translation flaws and charged Charlie Schuck, son of a German businessman, for deliberately mistranslating the treaty. Schuck was acquitted of all legal charges. Whether mistranslated, the wording of the treaty provided the justification for the U.S. decision to incorporate the Sulu Archipelago into the Philippine state in 1946.

AMERICA ABROGATES TREATY WITH MOROS; Rights Conferred by the Bates Agreement Forfeited. NATIVES FIGHT FOR SLAVERY United States Troops Defeat Them and Capture Cannon and Ammunition

AMERICA ABROGATES TREATY WITH MOROS - Rights Conferred by the Bates Agreement Forfeited. NATIVES FIGHT FOR SLAVERY United States Troops Defeat Them and Capture Cannon and Ammunition. - Article - NYTimes.com

The polygamy and slavery were just excuses because if the Americans wanted to they could have just negotiated a new treaty abolishing certain practices after the war was over, but instead they showed their true agenda by choosing to throw out any agreement at autonomy and trying to incorproate them wholesale into the Philippines. And add to that their settlement of Christian colonists from Luzon and Visayans and its clear they didn't have the human rights of the Moros in mind.

 

[Zero_wing]

Battle of Makahambus Hill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think you should read that before you question other nations sovereignty

 

[Wholegrain]

Man you guys never stop

ww.interaksyon.com/article/66303/moro-leaders-happy-with-signing-of-wealth-sharing-agreement-between-govt-and-milf

And only southern Mindanao is Muslim now people in the area both moros and others have accepted that fact but a small few still dont in short they wanna live in peace they are sick of war you should not speak so much about other peoples troubles but face your own i think tibet and east Turkestan are in agreement.

The BIFF (Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters) has refused to sign any agreement and it says it will keep fighting.

Only Southern Mindanao is Muslim because of your government's colonization efforts at swamping the Moros in the past century. Under any agreement the Moros are only going to get resources and autonomy in the small part of Mindanao that is now left to them after decades of demographic engineering.

The Tarim Basin in southern Xinjiang is majority Uyghur and Tibet is majority Tibetan. China sends tens of millions of migrant workers from inland provinces to coastal cities like Shenzhen and Shanghai every year but it has not flooded the Uyghurs or Tibetans. Only the Dzungharia region in northern Xinjiang which belonged to the nearly extinct Buddhist Dzunghar mongols has been flooded by Han migrants. Both Uyghurs and Han in Dzungharia are descended from migrants, the Uyghurs there are descended from Taranchis who moved from the Tarim Basin, which is their homeland.

 

[Wholegrain]

Partitioning the Philippines - Is It Desirable? Is It Realistic? A Scholarly Conversation - FSI Stanford

Partitioning the Philippines - Is It Desirable? Is It Realistic? A Scholarly Conversation
Shorenstein APARC, SEAF Seminar Series
DATE AND TIME
April 13, 2006
12:00 PM - 1:30 PM

AVAILABILITY
Open to the public
No RSVP required


SPEAKERS
David C. Martinez - author, activist, and independent scholar
Lela Noble - professor of political science (emerita) at San Jose State University
Donald K. Emmerson (moderator) - Stanford University

Poverty, inequality, and corruption plague the Philippines six decades after independence. Of the past five presidents, only one took office and left it without military intervention, and he was a general. In his controversial book, A Country of Our Own (2004), David Martinez describes the Philippines as a failed state. The country in his eyes comprises five regions ("nations"): Cordillera, Luzon, The Visayas, Mindanao, and Bangsamoro. He proposes holding legally binding referenda in each of these places to determine whether those who live there wish to remain inside the Philippines or form their own independent country. In a conversation moderated by Stanford's Don Emmerson, Martinez and the Filipinist scholar Lela Noble will examine arguments and evidence relevant to a crucial question: Is the nation-state project still valid for the Philippines?

David C. Martinez was born in the Philippines. At law school in Silliman University he was a medal-winning debater. He became an activist lawyer, was briefly detained when then-President Marcos declared martial law, fled the Philippines, and eventually reached the US, where he now resides. His essays have appeared in the Philippines Free Press among other publications, and he is a prize-winning author of fiction and poetry as well.

Lela Noble has written extensively on the Philippines. Her authored or edited books include Organizing for Democracy: NGOs, Civil Society, and the Philippine State (1998); Philippine Policy toward Sabah: A Claim to Independence (1977), and her articles have appeared in such journals as Asian Survey and Solidarity. From 1996 to 2002, she was dean of the College of Social Sciences at San Jose State. Her PhD is from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy.

The Philippines was created by Spain for exploitation of the natural resources and assets and the modern Filipino identity and state stream from Spanish colonization. Spanish era racism still has effects on the Philippines.

http://philippineculture.ph/filer/Spanish-Colonial-Caste-System-in-the-Philippines.pdf

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No wonder there is an insurgency in philipines... thanks @Wholegrain for this historic overview...

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Just another Muslim insurgency in another corner of the world. It's getting boring now, get something new.

 

[notsuperstitious]

@Wholegrain short of questioning the territorial integrity of Phillipines, could you tell us what was illegal about the resettlement of Visayans and others to Mindanao?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Just another Muslim insurgency in another corner of the world. It's getting boring now, get something new.

Typical bharati troll..

 

[Wholegrain]

Just another Muslim insurgency in another corner of the world. It's getting boring now, get something new.

The Moros have a record of fighting all uninvited attacks on their land. They beat the Spanish for over 300 years and their juramentado tactics terrified the Spanish, Americans and Japanese. Besides their guns they would use Kris daggers to kill many enemy soldiers while in juramentado mode, in a suicidal charge against the enemy. It took over ten years for the Americans to defeat the rebellion and the Moros continued their attacks. When the Japanese came they switched over to attacking Japan and scaring the crap out of the Japanese army. They stamped the Japanese out before the American army came back to the Philippines. Many Spanish, American, Japanese and Filipino soldiers were killed by the Moros.

Midnight on Mindanao: Wartime Remembances 1945-1946 - Dds Mel Amler - Google Books

America And Guerrilla Warfare - Anthony James Joes - Google Books

A Muslim archipelago: Islam and politics in Southeast Asia - Max L. Gross, Center for Strategic Intelligence Research (U.S.) - Google Books

MAR | Data | Assessment for Moros in the Philippines

The current insurgency has been running since 1969 and the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters say they will continue.

@Wholegrain short of questioning the territorial integrity of Phillipines, could you tell us what was illegal about the resettlement of Visayans and others to Mindanao?

The Bates treaty was illegally broken by the American government and this formed the basis for the American administration and the Philippines government for breaching the autonomy of the Moros by annexing them directly as ordinary provinces into the Philippine Commonwealth. Under autonomous rule the American colonial government and then the Philippines government could not have swamped the Moros with immigrants from Visayas and Luzon. Now they are negotiating for limited autonomy in a fraction of their former homeland in Mindanao.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The Bates treaty was illegally broken by the American government and this formed the basis for the American administration and the Philippines government for breaching the autonomy of the Moros by annexing them directly as ordinary provinces into the Philippine Commonwealth. Under autonomous rule the American colonial government and then the Philippines government could not have swamped the Moros with immigrants from Visayas and Luzon. Now they are negotiating for limited autonomy in a fraction of their former homeland in Mindanao.

It was a very different world 125 years ago and most of Asia and Africa was not unified in the nation states of today. For example, there were 600 princely states in India. So you are essentially questioning the territorial integrity of Philippines, a modern nation state because part of that state was autonomous in the past.

But short of doing that questioning the movement of people within a country itself is not a human rights issue per se, don't you agree? This has to be seen in light of the fact that modern state of phillipines is recognized by all countries.

 

[Zero_wing]

The BIFF (Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters) has refused to sign any agreement and it says it will keep fighting.

Only Southern Mindanao is Muslim because of your government's colonization efforts at swamping the Moros in the past century. Under any agreement the Moros are only going to get resources and autonomy in the small part of Mindanao that is now left to them after decades of demographic engineering.

The Tarim Basin in southern Xinjiang is majority Uyghur and Tibet is majority Tibetan. China sends tens of millions of migrant workers from inland provinces to coastal cities like Shenzhen and Shanghai every year but it has not flooded the Uyghurs or Tibetans. Only the Dzungharia region in northern Xinjiang which belonged to the nearly extinct Buddhist Dzunghar mongols has been flooded by Han migrants. Both Uyghurs and Han in Dzungharia are descended from migrants, the Uyghurs there are descended from Taranchis who moved from the Tarim Basin, which is their homeland.

Because its the areas of moro majority and face facts not the whole of mindanao is moro land you forgot the lumads? so please you just hate filipinos that's all and those guys are haters they hate peace they use violence to suit their own ends

Face facts sir you just got schooled and your too coughs up in lala land to face facts just like your so called country using old (made up) maps to say the whole sea belongs to your people alone and other nations dont matter which is bull all over and other thing they way your people is using a dead poachers death to get more resources from mine next question batanes province too so typical b.s