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America is slipping to No. 2. Don’t panic.

By Charles Kenny, Published: January 18

Charles Kenny is a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development. This essay is adapted from his new book, “The Upside of Down: Why the Rise of the Rest Is Good for the West.”

America will soon cease to be the world’s largest economy. You can argue about why, when and how bad, but the end is indeed nigh. According to the Penn World Tables — the best data to compare gross domestic product across countries — China’s GDP was worth $10.4 trillion in 2011, compared with a U.S. GDP of $13.3 trillion . But with China’s economy growing 7 to 10 percent a year, compared with the recent U.S. track record of less than 3 percent, China should take the lead by 2017 at the latest.
Already, China is the world’s top trading nation , edging the United States in total imports and exports in 2012. And Arvind Subramanian, an economist formerly with the International Monetary Fund, predicts that by 2030 the world will have four major economic players: China will be the heavyweight, followed by the United States and European Union, with economies about half as large, and then India close behind.

(By Javier Jaen Benavides for The Washington Post)
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Time to panic? A recent Chicago Council survey found that only 9 percent of Americans believe that Chinese growth will mostly benefit the United States, while 40 percent think it will be mostly negative for us. And a 2012 YouGov survey suggests that about half of Americans would prefer to see the United States stay on top, even with anemic economic growth, rather than grow rapidly but be overtaken by China. You only need recall President Obama and Mitt Romney sparring over who would be tougher on China to see how Washington channels this popular angst.
Certainly, China’s growth poses some challenges — but the opportunities it offers far outweigh them. And no matter the hand-wringing, losing the title of largest economy doesn’t really matter much to Americans’ quality of life.
Regardless of its current perch atop the global economy, the United States is only the 19th least corrupt nation, according to Transparency International. It rates 67th in equality of pay between men and women according to the 2013 Gender Gap Report from the World Economic Forum. And among 31 high-income countries belonging to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, the United States ranked third in GDP per capita as of 2011 — but 27th in life expectancy, 29th in infant mortality, 23rd in unemployment, 27th in math test scores (as of 2012) and 30th in income equality.
In fact, the link between the absolute size of your economy and pretty much any measure that truly matters is incredibly weak. Whenever China takes over the top spot, it will still lag far behind the world’s leading countries on indicators reflecting quality of life. For starters, there are a lot more people sharing China’s GDP; even the rosiest forecasts for the country’s economic growth suggest that per capita income will be lower than in the United States for decades to come. The average American lives five years longer than the average person in China, and civil and political rights in the world’s soon-to-be-biggest economy are routinely abused. Living in an America that ranks second in GDP to China will still be far, far better than living in China.
There are some real economic costs related to losing the top spot in the GDP rankings, but they are small and manageable. The dollar might lose its dominance as the currency of choice for central bank reserves and trading, and some predict that will increase the cost of U.S. borrowing and exporting. In fact, the dollar share of global reserves has already fallen from about 80 percent in the 1970s to about 40 percent today, with the euro and the renminbi gaining ground, but there isn’t much sign that that has spooked global markets. Meanwhile, businesses in the rest of the world still manage to export, even though they must go through the trouble of exchanging currencies.
And if you want further reassurance that you don’t need to be large to be rich, remember that in tiny Luxembourg, average incomes are almost twice those in the United States.
Of more concern to Washington might be that having the world’s largest economy helps the United States maintain the planet’s largest defense budget. At the moment, America accounts for about four out of every 10 dollars in global defense spending; China, in second place, accounts for less than one out of 10. But one way to think about this is to ask how much the three-quarters increase in defense spending between 2000 and 2011 enhanced America’s well-being. It is distinctly unclear that having one of the world’s largest defense budgets, rather than the largest, poses an existential threat to U.S. citizens’ quality of life.
While the downsides are limited, the upside to the United States of losing the top GDP spot is immense. The country’s declining economic primacy is mainly a result of the developing economies becoming larger, healthier, more educated, more free and less violent. And there is little doubt the United States benefits from that. Just over the past few years, for example, U.S. export markets in Asia, Africa and Latin America have grown rapidly. Three-fifths of America’s exports go to the developing world, and that suggests that about 6 million Americans are employed providing goods and services to emerging markets. As the developing world gets richer, it will import more — and create more jobs here.
The rest of the world is also inventing more stuff, from modular building techniques in China to new drug therapies and low-water cement-manufacturing processes in India to mobile banking applications in Kenya. We can benefit from those inventions as much as we already benefit from foreign innovators coming to the United States. Among the patents awarded in 2011 to teams at the 10 most innovative American universities, for example, three-quarters involved a foreign-born researcher, according to the Partnership for a New American Economy . As more people in developing countries go to college and as more firms there research and develop new products, there’s a potential for increased innovation in both the West and the Rest. That could bring faster progress in a number of different areas here at home, from connectivity to health.

And growth in the developing world, even if it means that some populous economies may eventually grow larger than the United States, also means that there are more places for Americans to travel in security and comfort, and more places to learn, work or while away our retirement years. Americans can get health care at Bumrungrad International Hospital in Bangkok — accredited by the Joint Commission International, which certifies health-care organizations worldwide — for a fraction of the cost they can in Bethesda. Or their kids can attend college at the University of Cape Town, rated higher than Georgetown University in international rankings but one-fifth as expensive. Or perhaps they can get jobs at one of the new breed of world-class multinational firms based in the developing world, such as Tata or Huawei.
America’s tenure on top is ending because much of the world is becoming more like America in many ways: richer, more democratic, more secure. The world increasingly shares aspirations, priorities and attitudes similar to ours. This is a success story for U.S. stewardship of the global economy.
 
Everybody knows this.

People also know that in future India is also going to overtake US. At least there are some positives in having billion+ population ;)
 
Everybody knows this.

People also know that in future India is also going to overtake US. At least there are some positives in having billion+ population ;)

Sun tsu explicitly states that numbers alone confers no advantage.
Its what you do with what you have. The weight of numbers is a double edged sword and India looks to be on a very narrow precipice.
 
Sun tsu explicitly states that numbers alone confers no advantage.
Its what you do with what you have. The weight of numbers is a double edged sword and India looks to be on a very narrow precipice.

I would say India is doing rather well and is nowhere near what you call precipice. It is a country that everyone take seriously. Given its younger demographics I would not surprised if India even over takes China in next 50 years

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The number in India is an indicator of when India will split up in pieces.

My exact thought for China. Given the lack of democracy, blatant violation of human rights and dictatorship, civil war is just matter of time for China. China may not survive the present form.
 
I would say India is doing rather well and is nowhere near what you call precipice. It is a country that everyone take seriously. Given its younger demographics I would not surprised if India even over takes China in next 50 years

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My exact thought for China. Given the lack of democracy, blatant violation of human rights and dictatorship, civil war is just matter of time for China. China may not survive the present form.

So many people have predicted the demise of China in the last few years. Its one of the two most popular predictions along with the fall of America. And do you know why is that? Its because these two countries are on the top. No one need to predict the fall of Indian economy or the disintegration of India because India being a basket case, would not surprise anyone if rupee collapse or itself is disintegrated. Take that to heart and be vigilant for your own country as the fall could come any time.
 
So many people have predicted the demise of China in the last few years. Its one of the two most popular predictions along with the fall of America. And do you know why is that? Its because these two countries are on the top. No one need to predict the fall of Indian economy or the disintegration of India because India being a basket case, would not surprise anyone if rupee collapse or itself is disintegrated. Take that to heart and be vigilant for your own country as the fall could come any time.

Civil wars are consequences of dictatorships. History is a lesson. The saving grace for India is democracy. It is rare that a democracy has seen a civil war. Democracy acts as a vent for people's anger. And Indians economy is rather well. For nothing Goldman Sachs, Citi, and other financial institutions predict India to be one of the most influential economy in the world.

Indian economy to grow by just over 6% in 2014-15: WB forecast - See more at: Indian economy to grow by just over 6% in 2014-15: WB forecast
 
Civil wars are consequences of dictatorships. History is a lesson. The saving grace for India is democracy. It is rare that a democracy has seen a civil war. Democracy acts as a vent for people's anger. And Indians economy is rather well. For nothing Goldman Sachs, Citi, and other financial institutions predict India to be one of the most influential economy in the world.

Indian economy to grow by just over 6% in 2014-15: WB forecast - See more at: Indian economy to grow by just over 6% in 2014-15: WB forecast

Indian economy has consistently under performed as compare to the prediction. Its time for India to walk the walk instead of talk the talk. Indians here buy too much into the pundits predictions and do not debate from the perspective of facts. Unfortunately for you India fan boys, none Indians view the facts ahead of talks.
 
Indian economy to grow by just over 6% in 2014-15: WB forecast - See more at: Indian economy to grow by just over 6% in 2014-15: WB forecast

Jade, common sense tells you that in order to overtake, you need to be faster. If you are talking about overtaking China is about 50 year then you need to be growing even faster. But so far India growth rate is still lower than China.

Do you Indians really believe that a 6 mph car can over take a 7 mph car that is already over 5 miles ahead ?

DO YOUR MATHS...GOSH !

 
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I would say India is doing rather well and is nowhere near what you call precipice. It is a country that everyone take seriously. Given its younger demographics I would not surprised if India even over takes China in next 50 years

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My exact thought for China. Given the lack of democracy, blatant violation of human rights and dictatorship, civil war is just matter of time for China. China may not survive the present form.


Not impossible, in 50 years, that's 2064. China will have started to decline in population. By 2100, China will have 900 million people. A massive decrease.

But India on the other hand will pass China in population sometime around 2025.

A rough estimate, but whether India's population actually decreases and when is not known right now. So you will definately out populate China and thus biggest GDP is within reach.

List of countries by past and future population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Everybody knows this.

People also know that in future India is also going to overtake US. At least there are some positives in having billion+ population ;)

How exactly?

In 1982, India had the 10th largest economy in the world and thirty years later, in 2012 India is still at the 10th place.

For comparisons purposes, back in 1981 India's GDP ranked as the 10th largest ($196 billion) in the world while China's GDP ranked 15th ($168 billion) for the same year.

By 1982 China overtook India jumping to the 8th position and then subsequently reached the second position.

Indians should note the following:

* Between 1980-1989, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 9th and the 12th position.
* Between 1990-1999, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 12th and the 16th position.
* Between 2000-2009, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 11th and the 14th position.
* Between 2010-2013, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 9th and the 11th position.

List of countries by past and future GDP (nominal)
 
The future is BRICS, The domination of the west is over , that was clear from the Syrian Crysis
 
Jade, common sense tells you that in order to overtake, you need to be faster. If you are talking about overtaking China is about 50 year then you need to be growing even faster. But so far India growth rate is still lower than China.

Do you Indians really believe that a 6 mph car can over take a 7 mph car that is already over 5 miles ahead ?

DO YOUR MATHS...GOSH !


When Cii Bank predicted India would over take China, it implied a long run growth rate of India at 5%, China at 3% and US at 1%. The more developed an economy is, harder is for one to extract higher growth rate. That is what economic theories say. For more information check Solow's model of economic growth theory and cobb douglas production function theory for more information.

How exactly?

In 1982, India had the 10th largest economy in the world and thirty years later, in 2012 India is still at the 10th place.

For comparisons purposes, back in 1981 India's GDP ranked as the 10th largest ($196 billion) in the world while China's GDP ranked 15th ($168 billion) for the same year.

By 1982 China overtook India jumping to the 8th position and then subsequently reached the second position.

Indians should note the following:

* Between 1980-1989, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 9th and the 12th position.
* Between 1990-1999, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 12th and the 16th position.
* Between 2000-2009, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 11th and the 14th position.
* Between 2010-2013, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 9th and the 11th position.

List of countries by past and future GDP (nominal)

The whole overtaking business is not only dependent on population size, but also on other factors such as investment rate, quality of labour and capital. It is not given that India would overtake China just because it has larger population. India should work towards that and path is not that easy.
 
How exactly?

In 1982, India had the 10th largest economy in the world and thirty years later, in 2012 India is still at the 10th place.

For comparisons purposes, back in 1981 India's GDP ranked as the 10th largest ($196 billion) in the world while China's GDP ranked 15th ($168 billion) for the same year.

By 1982 China overtook India jumping to the 8th position and then subsequently reached the second position.

Indians should note the following:

* Between 1980-1989, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 9th and the 12th position.
* Between 1990-1999, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 12th and the 16th position.
* Between 2000-2009, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 11th and the 14th position.
* Between 2010-2013, India's Nominal GDP ranking fluctuated between the 9th and the 11th position.

List of countries by past and future GDP (nominal)

When you are comparing economies by nominal, you are not only taking the growth rate but also considering foreign exchange effect. Hence a static rank for India. That is the reason why India is third largest by PPP, while 10th largest by nominal. Statistics prove that foreign exchange effect should not have long term effect on production possibility curve of an economy. What matters is growth. If India maintains a growth rate of 5% on long run, it should be the largest economy in another 50 years.
 

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