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America is not powerful enough to stand up to China and Russia alone, says Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov

BySamarthPophale

January 18, 2023

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America is not powerful enough to stand up to China and Russia, according to Vladimir Putin‘s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

During a rambling press conference in which he praised joint military drills between Moscow and Beijing, Lavrov compared the US to Adolf Hitler and Napoleon, who he said mobilised European countries against the Russian empire.

By supporting Ukraine in its fight against Russia’s invading forces, Lavrov claimed that Washington is leading Europe in a proxy war against Russia, with the goal of a ‘Final Solution to the Russian Question’ – likening it to Hitler’s genocidal aims.

Russia’s top diplomat was criticised by Israel last year for saying Hitler was part Jewish and that the worst anti-Semites were Jews, after being asked why Moscow incorrectly portrays Zelensky, who has a Jewish background, as a Nazi.

America is not powerful enough to stand up to China and Russia alone, according to Vladimir Putin’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (pictured Wednesday during a press conference)
Speaking on Wednesday, Lavrov said the US was attempting to ‘contain’ both Russia and China with the help of other countries, but they were alert to its ‘games’.

He told the gathered press that the West saw both countries as a threat – Russia right now, and China in the longer term as a systemic rival.

He said Washington was not powerful enough to keep in check both countries at once, so was mobilising Europe, Japan and others to join it. At the same time, he said, the West was trying to drive a wedge between Russia and China.

Lavrov also accused the West of searching for ways to anger China on a host of issues, such as the status of Tibet and Taiwan – which lives under constant threat of invasion by China, which claims the self-ruled democracy as part of its territory to be retaken one day, by force if necessary. The US has said it would help defend Taiwan.

He said China was too powerful for the United States to stand against on its own should the two countries be drawn into a conflict, so Washington was being forced to ‘mobilise’ the West to support its anti-Beijing agenda.

‘They have already outlined their positions on Taiwan, which are absolutely unacceptable for China and for international law, they are looking for more and more opportunities to irritate China in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Hong Kong,’ he said.

‘Therefore, China is well aware that remaining in the Western system and completely dependent on the West is fraught with very serious risks for the fundamental national interests of China’s development.’

Russia and China signed a ‘no limits’ partnership last February, days before Moscow sent its armed forces into Ukraine. Their economic links have boomed as Russia’s connections with the West have shrivelled. Pictured: Vladimir Putin meets with Xi Jinping on February 4, 2022

His comments underlined the strategic importance to Moscow of its relationship with China at a time when its army is struggling in Ukraine and its economic links with the West have been wrecked by successive waves of sanctions.

Ties with Beijing had never been stronger, Lavrov said, and the two countries were shifting an increasing amount of their trade into their national currencies to reduce dependence on the West and exposure to sanctions.

Russia and China signed a ‘no limits’ partnership last February, days before Moscow sent its armed forces into Ukraine. Their economic links have boomed as Russia’s connections with the West have shrivelled.

Putin has been relying on Beijing to bail him out amid the strong sanctions.

However, Russian President Putin has publicly acknowledged that his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping has ‘concerns’ over Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

On Ukraine, Lavrov said Moscow saw no prospects of peace talks and there could be no negotiations with President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Russia has said talks are possible only if Ukraine recognises Moscow’s claims to Ukrainian territory; Kyiv says it will fight until Russia withdraws from all of Ukraine.

He compared the West’s approach to Russia to Hitler’s ‘final solution’, the Holocaust plot to murder all European Jews. Since before Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine, Russia has sought to portray Kyiv as being run by a Nazi government.

He has explained his decision to send troops into Ukraine on February 24 as the need to ‘demilitarise’ and ‘denazify’ Ukraine, to prevent the neighbouring country from joining Nato, and to protect Russian speakers living there.

This approach has been heavily criticised as being disinformation, racist and as a cover for an unprovoked act of aggression.

Despite Russia suffering a series of setbacks in its war in Ukraine, Lavrov said the goals of Moscow’s so-called ‘special military operation’ are ‘determined by Russia’s core legitimate interests’ and will be fulfilled.

‘There must be no military infrastructure in Ukraine that poses a direct threat to our country,’ he said, adding that Moscow also intends to make sure the rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine are protected.

Speaking at his marathon annual news conference, Lavrov dismissed Zelensky’s demands for a complete Russian withdrawal from Ukraine.

He also dismissed Ukraine’s insistence on payments for war damages and the prosecution of war criminals as a platform for future talks, saying ‘there can be no talks with Zelensky’.

Lavrov alleged ‘the West makes all the decisions for Ukraine’ with the goal of using the conflict to exhaust Russia. Nato members have provided Ukraine with substantial military aid.

‘The amount of Western support clearly shows that the West has invested a lot in its war against Russia,’ he said. ‘It’s the West that makes the decisions. And it has made decisions for Ukraine and without Ukraine.’

He asserted that Russia’s action in Ukraine is ‘our response to a hybrid war unleashed against us’ by the West.

He said Russia is ready to ‘seriously consider’ any Western initiatives on ending the conflict but added: ‘We haven’t seen any serious proposals yet.’

Any future Russian talks with Western representatives should not be limited to Ukraine, Lavrov continued. ‘It makes no sense to talk to the West only about Ukraine.

‘The West is using Ukraine to destroy the security system that existed in the Euro-Atlantic region for a long time and hinged on consensus, indivisibility of security and settlement of all issues through dialogue and co-operation.’

He warned that Russia’s showdown with the West over Ukraine is part of global policy shifts that will evolve over a long period.

‘The process of forming a multipolar world order will be long; it will take an epoch,’ he said. ‘And we are in the middle of that process now.’

He cited Western efforts to hamper the widening co-operation between Russia and China, maintaining that they will not succeed.

Lavrov said Russia’s relations with the West ‘will never be the same’ and accused the West of failing to observe signed agreements with Russia. ‘Never again there will be a situation when you lie, sign documents and then refuse to fulfil them,’ he said.

Lavrov’s comments came as Olena Zelenska, wife of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, said her husband had written to Chinese leader Xi Jinping inviting him to talks which was handed over in Davos to the Chinese delegation.

Zelensky has repeatedly sought to make contact with Xi since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February last year in the hope that Beijing will use its influence over Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

During a speech on Tuesday at the World Economic Forum in the Swiss Alpine resort of Davos, Zelenska said she had a letter for Xi but she gave new details during a press conference on Wednesday.

‘It was a gesture and invitation to dialogue and I hope very much that there will be a response to this invitation,’ she told reporters.

China and Russia announced a ‘no limits’ partnership in February last year in August, shortly before Putin ordered his troops into Ukraine.

China has sought to position itself as neutral in the war, while at the same time deepening ties with Moscow, particularly in the energy sector.

But some analysts have suggested Beijing could ultimately step in as a mediator to negotiate an end to the fighting in Ukraine.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi called last September ‘on all parties concerned to keep the crisis from spilling over,’ underlining concern about the economic impact of the conflict which has affected countries worldwide.

Zelensky told the South China Morning Post newspaper in August he had ‘asked officially for a conversation’ with Xi, adding that a dialogue would be ‘helpful’.

Foreign ministers from both countries met on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York in September.

 

Lavrov hails Moscow-Beijing ties, accuses US of provocations

Russia’s top diplomat says the West is searching for ways to anger China on a host of issues, including Taiwan and Tibet.


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Lavrov accused the West of failing to observe signed agreements with Russia [Russian Foreign Ministry Press Service via AP]

Published On 18 Jan 202318 Jan 2023

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has hailed joint military drills between Moscow and Beijing as a move that strengthens the pair’s new strategic partnership.
Addressing reporters in Moscow on Wednesday, Lavrov also accused the West of searching for ways to anger China on a host of issues, such as the status of Tibet and Taiwan.

He said China was too powerful for the United States to stand against on its own, so Washington was being forced to “mobilise” the West to support its anti-Beijing agenda.

As the war in Ukraine rages, China and Russia have put aside decades of mutual distrust and stepped up military exercises to align their foreign policies.

They signed a “no limits” partnership last February, days before Moscow sent its armed forces into Ukraine and their economic links have boomed as Russia’s connections with the West have shrivelled.

However, Beijing is treading carefully.

President Vladimir Putin has publicly acknowledged that his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, has “concerns” over Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

Lavrov warned that Russia’s showdown with the West over Ukraine was part of a global policy shift that will evolve over a long period.

“The process of forming a multipolar world order will be long; it will take an epoch,” he said. “And we are in the middle of that process now.”

He cited Western efforts to hamper the widening cooperation between Russia and China, maintaining they would not succeed.

Russia’s relations with the West “will never be the same”, he said, as he accused the West of failing to observe signed agreements with Moscow.

“Never again there will be a situation when you lie, sign documents and then refuse to fulfil them,” he said.

Last month, the Chinese and Russian navies held joint drills in the East China Sea.

According to China’s Eastern Theater Command of the People’s Liberation Army, the exercises were designed to demonstrate “the determination and capability of the two sides to jointly respond to maritime security threats”.

Meanwhile, Russia and China are also said to be “sharing a toolkit” of approaches and strategies to undermine NATO, according to Julianne Smith, US ambassador to NATO.

“Those two are increasingly sharing a toolkit that should concern the NATO alliance, Smith told the Financial Times in an article published in December.

“There’s just no question that the [People’s Republic of China] and Russia are both working to divide … the transatlantic partners. And we are now very aware, we all have a deeper appreciation of those efforts and are intent on addressing them,” Smith said in an interview.

NATO in June listed China among its strategic challenges for the first time, saying Beijing’s ambitions and “coercive policies” undermined the Western military bloc’s “interests, security and values”.

Lavrov compares West’s approach to Hitler’s ‘final solution’

Elsewhere in his speech on Wednesday, Lavrov said the US had assembled a coalition of European countries to solve “the Russian question” using Ukraine as a proxy, in the same way Adolf Hitler had sought a “final solution” to eradicate Europe’s Jews.

“Just as Hitler wanted a ‘final solution’ to the Jewish question, now, if you read Western politicians … they clearly say Russia must suffer a strategic defeat,” he said.
Al Jazeera’s Ali Hashem, reporting from Moscow, said Lavrov’s news conference was an attempt to contextualise the war into the “Russian-Western confrontation”.

 

America is not powerful enough to stand up to China and Russia alone, says Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov

BySamarthPophale

January 18, 2023

66701019-11648673-image-a-8_1674044207340.jpg



America is not powerful enough to stand up to China and Russia, according to Vladimir Putin‘s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

During a rambling press conference in which he praised joint military drills between Moscow and Beijing, Lavrov compared the US to Adolf Hitler and Napoleon, who he said mobilised European countries against the Russian empire.

By supporting Ukraine in its fight against Russia’s invading forces, Lavrov claimed that Washington is leading Europe in a proxy war against Russia, with the goal of a ‘Final Solution to the Russian Question’ – likening it to Hitler’s genocidal aims.

Russia’s top diplomat was criticised by Israel last year for saying Hitler was part Jewish and that the worst anti-Semites were Jews, after being asked why Moscow incorrectly portrays Zelensky, who has a Jewish background, as a Nazi.

America is not powerful enough to stand up to China and Russia alone, according to Vladimir Putin’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (pictured Wednesday during a press conference)
Speaking on Wednesday, Lavrov said the US was attempting to ‘contain’ both Russia and China with the help of other countries, but they were alert to its ‘games’.

He told the gathered press that the West saw both countries as a threat – Russia right now, and China in the longer term as a systemic rival.

He said Washington was not powerful enough to keep in check both countries at once, so was mobilising Europe, Japan and others to join it. At the same time, he said, the West was trying to drive a wedge between Russia and China.

Lavrov also accused the West of searching for ways to anger China on a host of issues, such as the status of Tibet and Taiwan – which lives under constant threat of invasion by China, which claims the self-ruled democracy as part of its territory to be retaken one day, by force if necessary. The US has said it would help defend Taiwan.

He said China was too powerful for the United States to stand against on its own should the two countries be drawn into a conflict, so Washington was being forced to ‘mobilise’ the West to support its anti-Beijing agenda.

‘They have already outlined their positions on Taiwan, which are absolutely unacceptable for China and for international law, they are looking for more and more opportunities to irritate China in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Hong Kong,’ he said.

‘Therefore, China is well aware that remaining in the Western system and completely dependent on the West is fraught with very serious risks for the fundamental national interests of China’s development.’

Russia and China signed a ‘no limits’ partnership last February, days before Moscow sent its armed forces into Ukraine. Their economic links have boomed as Russia’s connections with the West have shrivelled. Pictured: Vladimir Putin meets with Xi Jinping on February 4, 2022

His comments underlined the strategic importance to Moscow of its relationship with China at a time when its army is struggling in Ukraine and its economic links with the West have been wrecked by successive waves of sanctions.

Ties with Beijing had never been stronger, Lavrov said, and the two countries were shifting an increasing amount of their trade into their national currencies to reduce dependence on the West and exposure to sanctions.

Russia and China signed a ‘no limits’ partnership last February, days before Moscow sent its armed forces into Ukraine. Their economic links have boomed as Russia’s connections with the West have shrivelled.

Putin has been relying on Beijing to bail him out amid the strong sanctions.

However, Russian President Putin has publicly acknowledged that his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping has ‘concerns’ over Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

On Ukraine, Lavrov said Moscow saw no prospects of peace talks and there could be no negotiations with President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Russia has said talks are possible only if Ukraine recognises Moscow’s claims to Ukrainian territory; Kyiv says it will fight until Russia withdraws from all of Ukraine.

He compared the West’s approach to Russia to Hitler’s ‘final solution’, the Holocaust plot to murder all European Jews. Since before Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine, Russia has sought to portray Kyiv as being run by a Nazi government.

He has explained his decision to send troops into Ukraine on February 24 as the need to ‘demilitarise’ and ‘denazify’ Ukraine, to prevent the neighbouring country from joining Nato, and to protect Russian speakers living there.

This approach has been heavily criticised as being disinformation, racist and as a cover for an unprovoked act of aggression.

Despite Russia suffering a series of setbacks in its war in Ukraine, Lavrov said the goals of Moscow’s so-called ‘special military operation’ are ‘determined by Russia’s core legitimate interests’ and will be fulfilled.

‘There must be no military infrastructure in Ukraine that poses a direct threat to our country,’ he said, adding that Moscow also intends to make sure the rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine are protected.

Speaking at his marathon annual news conference, Lavrov dismissed Zelensky’s demands for a complete Russian withdrawal from Ukraine.

He also dismissed Ukraine’s insistence on payments for war damages and the prosecution of war criminals as a platform for future talks, saying ‘there can be no talks with Zelensky’.

Lavrov alleged ‘the West makes all the decisions for Ukraine’ with the goal of using the conflict to exhaust Russia. Nato members have provided Ukraine with substantial military aid.

‘The amount of Western support clearly shows that the West has invested a lot in its war against Russia,’ he said. ‘It’s the West that makes the decisions. And it has made decisions for Ukraine and without Ukraine.’

He asserted that Russia’s action in Ukraine is ‘our response to a hybrid war unleashed against us’ by the West.

He said Russia is ready to ‘seriously consider’ any Western initiatives on ending the conflict but added: ‘We haven’t seen any serious proposals yet.’

Any future Russian talks with Western representatives should not be limited to Ukraine, Lavrov continued. ‘It makes no sense to talk to the West only about Ukraine.

‘The West is using Ukraine to destroy the security system that existed in the Euro-Atlantic region for a long time and hinged on consensus, indivisibility of security and settlement of all issues through dialogue and co-operation.’

He warned that Russia’s showdown with the West over Ukraine is part of global policy shifts that will evolve over a long period.

‘The process of forming a multipolar world order will be long; it will take an epoch,’ he said. ‘And we are in the middle of that process now.’

He cited Western efforts to hamper the widening co-operation between Russia and China, maintaining that they will not succeed.

Lavrov said Russia’s relations with the West ‘will never be the same’ and accused the West of failing to observe signed agreements with Russia. ‘Never again there will be a situation when you lie, sign documents and then refuse to fulfil them,’ he said.

Lavrov’s comments came as Olena Zelenska, wife of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, said her husband had written to Chinese leader Xi Jinping inviting him to talks which was handed over in Davos to the Chinese delegation.

Zelensky has repeatedly sought to make contact with Xi since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February last year in the hope that Beijing will use its influence over Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

During a speech on Tuesday at the World Economic Forum in the Swiss Alpine resort of Davos, Zelenska said she had a letter for Xi but she gave new details during a press conference on Wednesday.

‘It was a gesture and invitation to dialogue and I hope very much that there will be a response to this invitation,’ she told reporters.

China and Russia announced a ‘no limits’ partnership in February last year in August, shortly before Putin ordered his troops into Ukraine.

China has sought to position itself as neutral in the war, while at the same time deepening ties with Moscow, particularly in the energy sector.

But some analysts have suggested Beijing could ultimately step in as a mediator to negotiate an end to the fighting in Ukraine.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi called last September ‘on all parties concerned to keep the crisis from spilling over,’ underlining concern about the economic impact of the conflict which has affected countries worldwide.

Zelensky told the South China Morning Post newspaper in August he had ‘asked officially for a conversation’ with Xi, adding that a dialogue would be ‘helpful’.

Foreign ministers from both countries met on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York in September.


Even Sergei Lavrov does not believe in what Sergei Lavrov claims. America is obviously powerful enough for Sergei Lavrov to send Sergei Lavrov's daughter to study there.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/us/kremlin-kids-in-the-west-invs/index.html me

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who called for a "post-West" world order in 2017, sent his daughter to prestigious universities in London and New York.

Even the daughter of Lavrov's purported girlfriend seemingly benefits from his influential position: She posted pictures of herself on the yacht, Austrian ski resort and beachside villa of a wealthy oligarch, according to the Anti-Corruption Foundation.
 
Even Sergei Lavrov does not believe in what Sergei Lavrov claims. America is obviously powerful enough for Sergei Lavrov to send Sergei Lavrov's daughter to study there.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/us/kremlin-kids-in-the-west-invs/index.html me

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who called for a "post-West" world order in 2017, sent his daughter to prestigious universities in London and New York.

Even the daughter of Lavrov's purported girlfriend seemingly benefits from his influential position: She posted pictures of herself on the yacht, Austrian ski resort and beachside villa of a wealthy oligarch, according to the Anti-Corruption Foundation.
It's just some educational choice, Trump's granddaughter started to learn China from when she was able to speak, but it doesn't mean Trump loves China.
 
It's just some educational choice, Trump's granddaughter started to learn China from when she was able to speak, but it doesn't mean Trump loves China.

She presumably practiced some Chinese. Mark Zuckerberg did, too. But their choice has nothing similar to that of Russian elite or oligarchs, who are immersed in Western culture, live in the West and have their (or their children) future established in the West.

Russian elite and oligarchs oppress and exploit Russians, but invest in the West. If Russian exploits are dried up or unreachable, they desert.

Lavrov oiling China's ego simply means one one-man regime needs another one-man regime due to a momentous and bloody strategic blunder.
 
She presumably practiced some Chinese. Mark Zuckerberg did, too. But their choice has nothing similar to that of Russian elite or oligarchs, who are immersed in Western culture, live in the West and have their (or their children) future established in the West.

Russian elite and oligarchs oppress and exploit Russians, but invest in the West. If Russian exploits are dried up or unreachable, they desert.

Lavrov oiling China's ego simply means one one-man regime needs another one-man regime due to a momentous and bloody strategic blunder.

I still remember the words of one Russian Oligarch, "we enjoy the same food, we never thought they would sanction us, we thought we were friends with the West." The "we" cost them a lot; I hope he's enjoying the few pieces of Chicken McNuggets he had stored in the freezer.

He forgot the one lesson in international relations; there are no friends, just permanent interests. History has shown, time and time again, never to trust the West to be friends but to keep things at arm's length. All your friends in the Middle East were hanged or bombed who at one point or another were also friends with the West, yet you still failed to learn anything? Unfortunately, this same lesson also applies to the Pakistani Patwari's.
 
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oh the hypocrosy of leaders who hate but send sons and daughters to those hated countries for educational or health reasons.
 
I still remember the words of one Russian Oligarch, "we enjoy the same food, we never thought they would sanction us, we thought we were friends with the West." The "we" cost them a lot; I hope he's enjoying the few pieces of Chicken McNuggets he had stored in the freezer.

He forgot the one lesson in international relations; there are no friends, just permanent interests. History has shown, time and time again, never to trust the West to be friends but to keep things at arm's length. All your friends in the Middle East were hanged or bombed who at one point or another were also friends with the West, yet you still failed to learn anything? Unfortunately, this same lesson also applies to the Pakistani Patwari's.

I think the trust issue is universal. Even the South - South cooperation is nothing but a fantasy. Ideologies and economies may find themselves to be compatible and congruent at one geopolitical context. But, once the context is changed, relationship needs to be reformulated. During the COVID pandemic, even Pakistani or Russian students found themselves to be kept out of China for three long years. Some had to drop out of their school in the final year of their education. Such a personal disaster. Friendship did not enable a more humane treatment. On the contrary, Western universities showed a greater humanity and help. Eventually, without being emotional, every country and person needs to tend their own interests.
 

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