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A new Council on Foreign Relations report is a strong warning about Biden’s looming first foreign-policy crisis.

The world has now endured upheaval by a pandemic for a full year, and the aftershocks will continue long after most people finally receive the vaccine to Covid-19. Thus, you may say, this is no time to frighten the horses by highlighting another peril. However, just as nothing says that if tragedy strikes a family once, it cannot do so again — ask the Kennedys — so fate can be mean on mercy, when it comes to epochal threats.

The Council for Foreign Relations has published a new report by two respected public servants, which urges the imminence of the risk of conflict between China and U.S. over Taiwan. That territory, 90 miles off China’s coast and inhabited by 24 million people, is not a nation, but for decades has been an unofficial American protectorate.

“During 2020,” write Robert D. Blackwill and Philip Zelikow, “we came to believe that a crisis was building over Taiwan and that it was becoming the most dangerous flashpoint in the world for a possible war that involved the U.S., China and probably other major powers … The horrendous global consequences … should preoccupy the Biden team, beginning with the president.”

The White House seems to agree. President Joe Biden held a virtual meeting with the leaders of Australia, India and Japan — the first summit of the so-called Quad since 2017. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin are about to visit Japan and South Korea; next week in Alaska, Blinken will have the administration’s first face-to-face talks with the Chinese. Meanwhile, on Wednesday, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer conducted one of the U.S. Navy’s routine exercises to reassert its right of passage through the Taiwan Strait.

The new analysis from Blackwill, who has held a bevy of high government positions including deputy national security adviser to President George W. Bush, and Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, comes none too late. “Taiwan,” they write, “is one of the most successful societies on Earth.” Yet few Americans likely understand why the U.S. would risk war with China to protect it.

No matter that it might be possible to prevent such a showdown from going nuclear, or even from becoming a general conflict: The economic fallout would be horrendous. A clash between China and the West would almost certainly provoke cyberattacks, even if nobody fires guns.

A major cyberattack on the U.S. financial system could cost 2.5 times daily gross domestic product, according to the New York Federal Reserve. A cyber-induced blackout affecting just 15 U.S. states might cost up to $1 trillion in damage, not to mention many deaths resulting from disruption to health care, traffic and industry, suggests a projection by Cambridge University and Lloyds.

Coincidentally, just before the council’s study was published, I received an email from an Australian strategy guru who asked: “How do you rate the chances of getting through this decade without a Taiwan crisis?” He himself thought: poor.

A few years ago, during a period in which I frequently visited China, I was struck by how often ordinary Chinese raised the Taiwan issue. Their concern reflected years of state propagandizing. Westerners should understand that when President Xi Jinping rattles sabers, as he does with increasing frequency, he commands genuine popular support. Taiwan evokes the sort of sentiment among his people that Cuba did among Americans 60 years ago — and look where that story nearly ended.

Xi said two years ago that China would do its utmost to achieve peaceful reunification. However he added, “We do not renounce the use of force and reserve the option of taking all necessary measures.” Blackwill and Zelikow take him at his word:

China is now in a prewar tempo of political and military preparations. We do not mean that we know that China is about to embark on a war. We simply observe that the Chinese government is taking actions that a country would do if it were moving into a prewar mode. Politically, it is preparing and conditioning its population for the possibility of an armed conflict.

Xi may not yet have decided whether to trigger drastic action towards Taiwan. But China’s aggressive behavior in the South China Sea, and in disputes with India and Japan, shows a high tolerance for risk.

There are legitimate fears that China will seek to exploit perceived Western weakness and disarray to foreclose the Taiwan dispute on its own terms. After four years of name-calling by President Donald Trump, the Biden administration needs a considered strategy toward Beijing, which America’s allies have long called for.

For more than four decades, the U.S. has sustained a policy of strategic ambiguity about Taiwan. Washington hasn’t provoked Beijing by challenging the One China principle accepted by President Richard Nixon half a century ago. Even Trump, speaking in August 2020, declined explicitly to commit U.S. forces to defend the island if it was attacked, saying only, “China knows what I’m going to do.”

In perhaps the most important passage of the Council on Foreign Relations report, the authors caution against an explicit U.S. pledge to commit its own forces in the event of a Chinese invasion. Instead, they urge assistance for the Taiwanese to strengthen their own defenses, which are run down. Taipei’s current capabilities do not offer a credible deterrent to a surprise assault from the mainland. Among other things, such assistance would include supplying a network of sensors and missiles capable of providing a tripwire, time-buying defense, similar to what the West prepared for Berlin in the Cold War.

Many in the Taipei leadership assume they can rely on a swift and overwhelming U.S. military response to Chinese aggression. Yet a former chief of staff of the island’s military, Admiral Lee Hsi-ming, has correctly challenged this strategy, saying: “All I can hear is that the United States will intervene. What reason is there to believe that the United States will sacrifice the lives of its own children to defend Taiwan? My best bet is my own strength, to stop people from bullying me.”

It is a recurring weakness of U.S. foreign policy to determine courses for other nations, often with little or no consultation with allies. Through two decades of decision-making in Indochina, for instance, no Vietnamese leader was invited to the key Washington meetings. The Council on Foreign Relations study argues that Taiwan’s independence can be protected only by a diplomatic and military strategy that has commitments from Australia, South Korea and, above all, Japan. The Australians need no awakening: They are suffering diplomatic abuse and Chinese harassment following their fierce criticism of Beijing’s recent behavior.

The Japanese are moving slowly away from their post-World War II rejection of rearmament. They recognize a need to be capable of confronting, or at least deterring, Chinese naval and military initiatives, not least against the disputed Senkaku Islands. Blackwill and Zelikow write, “We believe Japan would regard a violent Chinese takeover of Taiwan as a threat to the vital interests of Japan, even to its future independence and existence.”

It seems significant, and welcome, that Biden’s first important foreign visitor to the White House is reportedly to be Japan’s prime minister, Yoshihide Suga. It will be surprising if Taiwan is not prominent on the agenda for their meeting, which may take place next month.

Taiwan is excluded from many international organizations, denied observer status by the World Health Organization and membership of the criminal-information exchange Interpol, because such bodies are unwilling to cause friction with Beijing. The council report urges the U.S. to conclude a bilateral trade agreement with Taipei, and also integrate it into the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, which the U.S. abandoned under the Trump administration.

A reader of the Blackwill-Zelikow report who is not Taiwanese or American may well notice one big omission from its 65 alarming pages. Nowhere do the authors stress an issue that looms large in the eyes of the rest of the world: the possible validity of Chinese claims.

For two centuries, Taiwan was Chinese-ruled, until seized by Japan in 1895 as part of its wider Asian land grab. In 1945, when the Japanese were dispossessed, Washington did not hesitate to deliver Formosa, as it was then known, to China’s Nationalist leader, Chiang Kai-shek, America’s foremost Asian client.

In 1949, when Chiang suffered defeat at the hands of Mao Zedong in China’s civil war, the generalissimo retired to Formosa with his remaining supporters, and made it a personal fiefdom. He sustained the myth of his own legitimacy as president of all China, solely thanks to the might of the U.S. Navy, which made it impossible for Beijing’s forces to unseat him. Until his death in 1975, Chiang and his Kuomintang Party ruled Taiwan as a dictatorship, harshly regulated by martial law.

Yet in 1972, Nixon visited China, and seven years later the U.S. belatedly acknowledged the Chinese Communist Party as the legitimate government. Ever since, the U.S. has been formally committed to the “One China” policy, while continuing to assert the minority right of the Taiwanese to autonomy.

Taiwan’s martial law was abolished in 1987. For the past quarter of a century, it has been a vibrant democracy. It endorses religious diversity, and behaves as a responsible international actor. Its technological achievements are remarkable, especially in the field of chip manufacture, in which it is a decade ahead of China.

The question today is whether the human rights of the Taiwanese and the economic triumph of their society can be sustained against Xi’s impatience to assert control.

Almost three decades ago, China and Britain signed a “one nation, two systems” treaty, establishing terms for the 1997 handover of Hong Kong to Beijing. Optimists argued that it would suit the mainland to govern the former British colony with a light touch — that the treaty terms would be respected, if only to serve Chinese economic interests. This hope has been dashed. Beijing has crushed freedoms and Hong Kong’s treaty right to semi-autonomy.

The people of Taiwan have taken heed — indeed, they are appalled. They want friendly relations with the mainland, because of the close cultural bond, as well as their own self-preservation. Xi’s recent record, however, gives the clearest warning that if Taiwan becomes once more subject to Beijing, its inhabitants will be governed as cruelly as the rest of China’s 1.4 billion people.

Can the wishes and human rights of the Taiwanese people prevail over the power and iron will of the new China? Blackwill and Zelikow have no doubt that while Washington should avoid direct provocations, it should also seek to create a military and political reality that raises the price of an enforced mainland takeover too high to be acceptable even to Xi.

They cite the precedent of Czechoslovakia, which Britain and France permitted Hitler to seize by installments between October 1938 and March 1939, allegedly to assert the rights of the country’s ethnic German minority. The lesson Hitler took home from the infamous deal struck at Munich was that aggression paid; a few months later, he invaded Poland. Britain and France, realizing that his demands were insatiable, then belatedly declared war.

The authors argue that, just as 1938 Czechoslovakia’s fate was sealed by Britain’s lack of will to fight for it, so Taiwan’s future now depends upon American strength and consistency of purpose. I am unconvinced, as a historian, by this comparison. The relationship between China and Taiwan is not analogous with that between Germany and Czechoslovakia. The latter was an independent country, and its majority had little social and cultural affinity with its conquerors. The U.S. may find it hard to persuade the rest of the world to stay in town for a High Noon with Beijing, unspeakably ugly though a Beijing takeover of Taiwan would be.

Moreover, the circumstances created by the pandemic and America’s profound political divisions make it hard, perhaps impossible, for the Biden administration to focus with conviction on foreign policy. The hardest part of the council report’s recommendations to fulfil would be re-arming Taiwan without precipitating a violent Chinese response.

Diplomatic dialogue between Washington and Beijing has almost broken down, not least because China’s representatives have become so rude and aggressive, apparently uninterested in compromises. There is no hope of a grand bargain between the two sides, but they need to get talking again, if only to clarify positions.

The best chance of deflecting a Chinese assault is surely not military. Even if the White House summoned the will to commit U.S. forces against Chinese aggression, they might not prevail in Xi’s backyard. The goal should be deterrence, with a focus on economic incentives for improved Chinese relations with the U.S. A forcible occupation of Taiwan would incur a massive cost to all parties.

Unfortunately, recent history — the oppression of Uighur Muslims in Western China, for example —suggests that Xi is willing to bear economic pain, and to shrug off international abuse, in order to assert and extend Chinese power. The world will be fortunate to escape a Taiwan showdown. Whether or not we accept Blackwill and Zelikow’s prescriptions, they are right that the U.S. needs urgently to dust off its options to meet a looming threat.

 
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I don't get this, why's everybody so hyper about Taiwan now? China doesn't even have its first stealth bomber yet. Relax, this isn't happening now. It will happen once China completes its military modernization and can cut America's throat not just in the First Island Chain, but all over the world.

Wait for the stealth bombers, wait for the legions of hypersonic missiles, wait for the 6th gen fighters flying off the nuclear PLAN supercarriers. I'll tell my American friends: Don't be scared so sh*tless of China now, wait until it gives you something to really be scared about.
 
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I don't get this, why's everybody so hyper about Taiwan now? China doesn't even have its first stealth bomber yet. Relax, this isn't happening now. It will happen once China completes its military modernization and can cut America's throat not just in the First Island Chain, but all over the world.

Wait for the stealth bombers, wait for the legions of hypersonic missiles, wait for the 6th gen fighters flying off the nuclear PLAN supercarriers. I'll tell my American friends: Don't be scared so sh*tless of China now, wait until it gives you something to really be scared about.
I think because China may do something early before the U.S. can implement its new hypersonics and IRBMs that could contain China's fleet and Air Force.
 
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I don't get this, why's everybody so hyper about Taiwan now? China doesn't even have its first stealth bomber yet. Relax, this isn't happening now. It will happen once China completes its military modernization and can cut America's throat not just in the First Island Chain, but all over the world.

Wait for the stealth bombers, wait for the legions of hypersonic missiles, wait for the 6th gen fighters flying off the nuclear PLAN supercarriers. I'll tell my American friends: Don't be scared so sh*tless of China now, wait until it gives you something to really be scared about.
The reaction is because USA was already defeated by China over Taiwan.


They know that a much bigger humiliation is coming soon... and then it's internal collapse and civil war for USA.

 
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Currently the US has a 60 day stand down order underway to root out racism in the ranks, and is busy support the COVID vaccination program. Some suspect China may try to pull off an invasion during the next upcoming “invasion window” when the tides favor the crossing.

Late March and April is one window, while the other window is Late October and November.

It is unlikely there will be an invasion, because the PLA would probably have spend at least a month “softening up” Taiwan and amassing an invasion force on the western side of the strait.

CFR probably trolling for more dough

 
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It is not happening now because China is smart enough to understand power dynamics. China's adversaries are trying their best to goad China into committing earlier than she should. China should not take the bait. Instead it should be very very smart, and very very patient. Continue to develop strong military presence in SCS, while expanding its naval capability. It should also develop is core industrial capability around Silicon and Chips, all the while expanding its internal consumption to enhance its own economy less around exports and more through its own internal dynamism. Furthermore it should bide goodwill and alliances with key secondary players like Brazil, Indonesia, Philipines, Turkey, Russia, Pakistan and if possible some European countries like Germany and Italy. It should allow these countries access to its markets thereby integrating its growth and success with these countries own benefit. Furthermore it should complete its B&R initiative and expand its footprint in Africa. Once this is done - then China will be in a position to act. Not a DAY SOONER. China must stay patient.

And when the day comes its should be in a position to:

Move away from US$ for its and its partners trade
Develop an alternative to SWIFT for Inter-Bank transactions
Limit its economic interests in the US - it asset base
Have a fully capable Blue Water Navy
Expand its nuclear triad
Have atleast 3 Army groups - plus one expedentiary force designed specifically for sea invasion offense
Have a quantitative advantage in air - which will be critical in any cross Taiwan Strait action
Have a viable satellite interdiction kinetic capability
among a few other points.
 
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I think because China may do something early before the U.S. can implement its new hypersonics and IRBMs that could contain China's fleet and Air Force.
Your hypersonics ain't doing jack, buddy. You'll have nowhere to launch them from. If hypersonics and IRBMs were an "I win" button, China would have pressed it already. China is the undisputed world champion of these technologies and while they're a powerful deterrent, they aren't the final arbiter of a military conflict. No single weapon is - what wins wars is a combination of power and will. China's will to reunify Taiwan is far stronger than America's will to defend it, and while the balance of power is shifting in China's favour, it's still far from being in China's favour in every scenario. No reason to get into a fight today with a 50/50 chance if tomorrow my chance is 100%.

To take an example, if an invasion were to happen today the US might allow Taiwan to fall and opt to blockade China's shipping at the Middle Eastern chokepoints. That puts it outside the range of most Chinese systems. The US could keep harassing China for years. The only solution to a problem like that is for China to be able to project decisive power around the world - doing it in the First Island Chain alone is insufficient.

I don't believe there's a war to take Taiwan outside World War III, and China must be prepared to fight and win it. China must be prepared to seize all of America's Pacific holdings (including Hawaii) and credibly threaten the US homeland with attack if not invasion. Only when China can mount that kind of force will it be able to surely deter the US from intervening in Taiwan. And once the US is deterred from intervening, Taiwan will simply fold instantly and join the PRC on the PRC's terms.
 
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It comes as no surprise the US is clearly emitting signs of fear. It signaled Kraft to cancel the Taiwan trip while the plane kept on circling in the air. You do not do that unless China gave a serious warning of escalation which is what happened. That freaked out the US unsurprisingly considering the amount of firepower China possesses. Do not take my word for it if people are having a hard time to believe it even the Taiwanese media has stated the US canceled the visit after receiving the threat coming from Beijing. The outcome of a war at our doorstep would not end well for the Americans. Now the Biden administration is forcing some Europeans countries to make some naval trips in the South China Sea. But seriously? Do people expect Germany, UK and France to fight China? They were told to do it because Quad alone was nothing. The US has become desperate in stopping China's advances and modernization that is why as of late so many news talking about Quad and Taiwan popping up out of no where.
 
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I think because China may do something early before the U.S. can implement its new hypersonics and IRBMs that could contain China's fleet and Air Force.

If the US wanted to take care of the China threat the US would have used nukes in 1949. Clearly the US wants to keep China around as competition.
Currently the US has a 60 day stand down order underway to root out racism in the ranks, and is busy support the COVID vaccination program. Some suspect China may try to pull off an invasion during the next upcoming “invasion window” when the tides favor the crossing.

Late March and April is one window, while the other window is Late October and November.

It is unlikely there will be an invasion, because the PLA would probably have spend at least a month “softening up” Taiwan and amassing an invasion force on the western side of the strait.

Not gonna happen. China won't attack until China builds 10 aircraft carrier strike groups and fields 1000+ J-20. That way America will think twice before fighting. On top of that, Taiwan's declaration secession from China gives China the white paper to attack.
Taiwan is not going anywhere. With each passing day China becomes more powerful relative to America. It's only a matter of time before China is more powerful than America. Keep in mind it took China 80 years to reunify after Three Kingdoms division.
 
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America didn't even fight Germany in WW2 until Germany declared war on America in 1941 after Japan attacked America. America didn't even fight Russia when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. While America did fight North Korea and North Vietnam in the 1950s, China is a whole different ball game compared to North Korea and North Vietnam. There is no telling America will certainly fight China when China invades Taiwan sometime in the 2030s or 2040s at which point China will be operating at least as many aircraft carriers as America does.
 
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It is not happening now because China is smart enough to understand power dynamics. China's adversaries are trying their best to goad China into committing earlier than she should. China should not take the bait. Instead it should be very very smart, and very very patient. Continue to develop strong military presence in SCS, while expanding its naval capability. It should also develop is core industrial capability around Silicon and Chips, all the while expanding its internal consumption to enhance its own economy less around exports and more through its own internal dynamism. Furthermore it should bide goodwill and alliances with key secondary players like Brazil, Indonesia, Philipines, Turkey, Russia, Pakistan and if possible some European countries like Germany and Italy. It should allow these countries access to its markets thereby integrating its growth and success with these countries own benefit. Furthermore it should complete its B&R initiative and expand its footprint in Africa. Once this is done - then China will be in a position to act. Not a DAY SOONER. China must stay patient.

And when the day comes its should be in a position to:

Move away from US$ for its and its partners trade
Develop an alternative to SWIFT for Inter-Bank transactions
Limit its economic interests in the US - it asset base
Have a fully capable Blue Water Navy
Expand its nuclear triad
Have atleast 3 Army groups - plus one expedentiary force designed specifically for sea invasion offense
Have a quantitative advantage in air - which will be critical in any cross Taiwan Strait action
Have a viable satellite interdiction kinetic capability
among a few other points.

Excellent points. I agree with you. More time goes by, the more the advantage shifts in China’s favour. US wants a fight right now instead of 10-15 years from now.
 
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Actually the longer China wait, the better. Right now there are no hypersonics fielded by the US and it's allies in the Pacific. Things will change starting next year when hypersonics as well as long range cruise missile will be deployed in the Asia Pacific.

Even if the US has no territory to launch one, it's submarines could.
You just need to sink enough transport ships to turn invasion into a failure.
 
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Excellent points. I agree with you. More time goes by, the more the advantage shifts in China’s favour. US wants a fight right now instead of 10-15 years from now.

Very true in most areas. China would need to develop more hypersonic missiles. US is gonna jump when US gets enough hypersonic weapons to take out ADS/fleets/positions. During that time, US is gonna try to bait Iran or China into a war. Once S-500 class ADS are made by both China and Iran, both are safer and safer as both build up. China moreso.

If US isolates China, watch China build up Iran to beyond the potential attacks of the US.
 
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They cite the precedent of Czechoslovakia, which Britain and France permitted Hitler to seize by installments between October 1938 and March 1939, allegedly to assert the rights of the country’s ethnic German minority. The lesson Hitler took home from the infamous deal struck at Munich was that aggression paid; a few months later, he invaded Poland. Britain and France, realizing that his demands were insatiable, then belatedly declared war.

The authors argue that, just as 1938 Czechoslovakia’s fate was sealed by Britain’s lack of will to fight for it, so Taiwan’s future now depends upon American strength and consistency of purpose. I am unconvinced, as a historian, by this comparison. The relationship between China and Taiwan is not analogous with that between Germany and Czechoslovakia. The latter was an independent country, and its majority had little social and cultural affinity with its conquerors. The U.S. may find it hard to persuade the rest of the world to stay in town for a High Noon with Beijing, unspeakably ugly though a Beijing takeover of Taiwan would be.

Those who have no clue about history cite WWII and appeasement to warmonger. Czechoslovakia did not claim Germany. Taiwan claims Mainland China and Mongolia and more. Because Taiwanese are Chinese.

These same losers in the media called Saddam, the next hitler.

Here is the lie:


Because here is what happened, the US gave Saddam essentially a green light to invade Kuwait.


Every new enemy of the US is somehow the new Hitler. And those opposed to war are Chamberlain "appeasers". This is identical to the lies in the build-up to war with Iraq. The same darn thing.

The racist hitlerites in Washington don't want competition. If you work out and get strong, at a certain point, the US/UK wants to bomb you, for being strong and being able to defend others from being bullied from London and Washington.

So if Pakistan has a GDP of 15 trillion, and Pakistan spend 2% on military. Then Pakistan is a threat and there are gonna be false flags blamed on Pakistan. This is the US script. Pakistan is led by Hitler. And those opposing war with Pakistan are appeasers. They are retreating French. And nobody want to be have a tank with only one gear - reverse. And the French fries are Freedom fries. And every other loser warmongering bullying to get the global community against Pakistan - for the only reason of getting too strong. And this is sold on a pack of lies, that Pakistanis rented truck and exploded cheese on trucks in 5 US cities, making Murcicans cry over cheese or some other false flag blamed on Pakistan.
Criminal warmongers who lied about Iraq WMDs and Saddam links to 9/11. Who started a genocidal war that murdered over 2 million Muslims over lies.

Now that same lying "press" call for regime change in Chi-nuh

And are claiming Xi is the new Hitler. And only appeasers oppose war with China. The same argument used to bully everybody to support a war in Iraq, so the US did this.

How much of a moron do you have to be to buy these Washington warmongering lies.
 
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