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China is not involved in Middle Esastern security affairs, which includes Syria, except China's key (double) veto at the UNSC, which drove Hillary crazy.

With Russia involved, you will never topple Assad.

But there are other geopolitical developments to be considered, as well. In Europe, it was France, not really UK, that really wanted to see Assad go. But, after the Iran deal and France's warming economic ties with Iran, Paris got softer on this.

Also, the migrant crisis, which Turkey had hoped to bring Europe together to quickly solve the Assad problem, backfired. Now more and more sane politicians understand that Assad is the key to tackle the terrorism and radicalism as well as refuge crisis.

China is involved only if its key national interests are threatened. There is nothing going on in the Middle East that really threaten China more than they threaten Europe or the US.

For example, on SCS, we do not even give the slightest importance to what London might think.

True i agree. China has no military intetests in the middle East. I said it before as well. Russia by contrast does have not only military interests in the region but it also has military base there(it has always had a military stake in the region since the soviet union). China has no stake in this conflict whatsoever, reason i dont even understand why it vetoed western intervention in Syria in UNSC, to be honest as i said before China was merely following Russia in doing so, had Russia abstained, then China would have done the same. Since China has no stake in this anyway.

Moreover, Europe especially has never seen China as a threat, since as i said before China has NEVER EVER done anything in history that threatens us militarily unlike Russia who had not only been an expansionist power for over a century now but has also invaded a number of Eastern European countries(the most recent being Crimea and Georgia) and still regularly flies bomber close to europeam and even U.S shores, something China has never done.

This is also why we in Europe still cooperate/license build/partner with China in many sensitive military equipments which the U.S and Japan will never agree to do. So i dont see why China should take any hostile syance against us, since im sure China knows Russia is our main threat not them. :)

You are right in one thing, im not a fan of Russia for many reasons i cant begin to explain. However i do give them credit for being an advanced mature power who is able/willing/capable to play great power games with the west globally. It also has a tradition of interference in other countries internal affairs for its own interests, something China still isn't capable/willing to do to some extent. I will even go as far as saying Compared to Russia, China is a relatively peaceful passive power. :agree:
 
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Al Qaida and USA are allies in Russia..via fake defections..USA is assisting Al Qaida with man and advance weapons.
 
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This is also why we in Europe still cooperate/license build/partner with China in many sensitive military equipments which the U.S and Japan will never agree to do. So i dont see why China should take any hostile syance against us, since im sure China knows Russia is our main threat not them.

Russia is a strategic partner. EU is a very important economic partner. Geography matters. Besides, the EU is very much under US yoke through its spearhead UK. And, in the final analysis, it is China vs. the US. Naturally, China will set up security mechanisms with Russia while EU is pulled and pushed towards a deeper Atlanticism.

China gives the EU its due.

China does not consider the EU as a geopolitically independent entity. This reduces EU's significance to a great extent.

It is one of the chips on the table. But not the most viable chip.

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Iran welcomes Russian help to end crisis in Syria - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Posted September 22, 2015

Russia’s recent military buildup inside Syria to reportedly combat the Islamic State and help prop up the government of President Bashar al-Assad has caught many by surprise. Iranian officials have welcomed the move by Russia and said they will be working with them in both confronting terrorists and negotiating with Assad’s opposition.

Hossein-Amir Abdollahian, Iranian deputy foreign minister for Arab and African affairs who arrived in Moscow Sept 21, said on Sept. 22 that Russia and Iran will continue to negotiate with the Syrian opposition. Abdollahian, who is currently discussing regional issues with Russia, said the talks between Iran and Russia will continue at the UN General Assembly in New York.

Abdollahian said that both Iran and Russia will use their full potential to end the crisis in Syria. He denied that Iran has sent military advisers to Yemen, but said advisers were sent to Iraq and Syria at the request of those governments to combat terrorism.

It is not clear which opposition Iran and Russia are currently speaking with. There are a number of armed opposition groups, and there have been some negotiations for local cease-fires involving Iran and various opposition groups in the border town of Zabadani near Lebanon. The death toll from the civil war, now in its fourth year, exceeds 200,000 and has created millions of refugees.

Russia has reportedly brought 28 combat aircraft and 16 helicopters along with 2,000 forces to an air base in Syria, forcing the prospect that the United States and Russia will resume military relations in order to “deconflict” their air forces.

Abdollahian was not the only Iranian official to discuss cooperation with Russia. The supreme leader’s senior adviser, Maj. Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi, also talked today about the changes in the region taking place and Russia's role.

Safavi said, “The great powers should know that in West Asia Iran is the key to the solution and Iran marks the changes and transformations in Western Asia. Iran guarantees the security of energy in the region. The West completely understands Iran’s dominant geopolitical weight in the region and they want to have an economic and political relationship with Iran.”

He added, "The US failure to become the sole superpower of the world, the US failures in reaching its goals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and subsequently the declining political, economic and military power of America in the world and Western Asia and active presence of Russia in the political-military scene of Western Asia, especially in Syria, are some of the most important changes.”

Safavi continued, “The cooperation between Iran and Russia in confronting the for-hire terrorists that the Americans and other Western countries with the money of some Arab countries have unleashed on the region is one of the other important changes in the region.”

That the United States supports terrorist groups in Syria is advocated by more hard-line officials in Iran. Maj. Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi, chief of staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, said today, “The countries of the region should know that America, England and Israel are supporters of the terrorists.” Firouzabadi also weighed in on the Republican primary — in particular about comments that they would undo US President Barack Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran — saying, “They are reactionaries and want to return to the era of presidency of 'crazy Bush.' Bush tried his best to attack Iran, but he couldn’t.”
 
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Russia is a strategic partner. EU is a very important economic partner. Geography matters. Besides, the EU is very much under US yoke through its spearhead UK. And, in the final analysis, it is China vs. the US. Naturally, China will set up security mechanisms with Russia while EU is pulled and pushed towards a deeper Atlanticism.

China gives the EU its due.

China does not consider the EU as a geopolitically independent entity. This reduces EU's significance to a great extent.

It is one of the chips on the table. But not the most viable chip.

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Iran welcomes Russian help to end crisis in Syria - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Posted September 22, 2015

Russia’s recent military buildup inside Syria to reportedly combat the Islamic State and help prop up the government of President Bashar al-Assad has caught many by surprise. Iranian officials have welcomed the move by Russia and said they will be working with them in both confronting terrorists and negotiating with Assad’s opposition.

Hossein-Amir Abdollahian, Iranian deputy foreign minister for Arab and African affairs who arrived in Moscow Sept 21, said on Sept. 22 that Russia and Iran will continue to negotiate with the Syrian opposition. Abdollahian, who is currently discussing regional issues with Russia, said the talks between Iran and Russia will continue at the UN General Assembly in New York.

Abdollahian said that both Iran and Russia will use their full potential to end the crisis in Syria. He denied that Iran has sent military advisers to Yemen, but said advisers were sent to Iraq and Syria at the request of those governments to combat terrorism.

It is not clear which opposition Iran and Russia are currently speaking with. There are a number of armed opposition groups, and there have been some negotiations for local cease-fires involving Iran and various opposition groups in the border town of Zabadani near Lebanon. The death toll from the civil war, now in its fourth year, exceeds 200,000 and has created millions of refugees.

Russia has reportedly brought 28 combat aircraft and 16 helicopters along with 2,000 forces to an air base in Syria, forcing the prospect that the United States and Russia will resume military relations in order to “deconflict” their air forces.

Abdollahian was not the only Iranian official to discuss cooperation with Russia. The supreme leader’s senior adviser, Maj. Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi, also talked today about the changes in the region taking place and Russia's role.

Safavi said, “The great powers should know that in West Asia Iran is the key to the solution and Iran marks the changes and transformations in Western Asia. Iran guarantees the security of energy in the region. The West completely understands Iran’s dominant geopolitical weight in the region and they want to have an economic and political relationship with Iran.”

He added, "The US failure to become the sole superpower of the world, the US failures in reaching its goals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and subsequently the declining political, economic and military power of America in the world and Western Asia and active presence of Russia in the political-military scene of Western Asia, especially in Syria, are some of the most important changes.”

Safavi continued, “The cooperation between Iran and Russia in confronting the for-hire terrorists that the Americans and other Western countries with the money of some Arab countries have unleashed on the region is one of the other important changes in the region.”

That the United States supports terrorist groups in Syria is advocated by more hard-line officials in Iran. Maj. Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi, chief of staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, said today, “The countries of the region should know that America, England and Israel are supporters of the terrorists.” Firouzabadi also weighed in on the Republican primary — in particular about comments that they would undo US President Barack Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran — saying, “They are reactionaries and want to return to the era of presidency of 'crazy Bush.' Bush tried his best to attack Iran, but he couldn’t.”

This is where you are wrong. Russia is still a far more dangerous/capable military threat to not only we in Europe but also the U.S. Top US general: Russia is most dangerous threat | TheHill
Nato chief says Russian nuclear threats are 'deeply troubling and dangerous' | World news | The Guardian
China today is just a regional military power(but an increasingly global economic one), and doesnt involve itself militarily around the world far from its shores unlike Russia who has not always been a more aggressive/expansionist power but even today still involves itself militarily overseas and just like the west has militarily bases abroad, something China doesnt have and wont for years/decades to come. Russia in this regard is very different from China(it has always been).

This can also be seen in Russia's naval military base in Syria, Russia due to its interest there, it has always been the leading arm supplier to the syrian regime(and many middle eastern countries) for decades now and Assads main backer/ally.
China by contrast had little to no influence in Syria(it has never had one). So in this case China had no stake whatsoever in the Syrian conflict. Even Iran has more stake in this conflict/region than China. China as i said is merely following Russia's lead in the hope of forming a more closer strategic relationship with Russia and bolster its position against the U.S in Asia/SCS. In this regard, no matter what Russia's stance in UNSC towards Syria would have been, China would have followed Russia's lead/move.

As for Europe, well how can you say China doesnt consider Europe a seperate entity? If we were not, then how come we have been transfering sensitive military tech to/license building military equipments/cooperating with China for decades now (most times even with U.S /Japanese opposition and warnings?).lol Same with many European countries joining AIIB.etc its simply because we dont and have never ever seen you as a threat.:)

EU Firms Help Power China's Military Rise | Defense News | defensenews.com

To think a weak/backward/non independent Europe will be going against the U.S and helping China in sensitive areas, what an irony. Lol We do what is in our interests, moreover we are still by far Chinas largest trading partner, if you think your leaders will forsake that for an unreliable Russia then you are wrong, especially since they know we dont see them as a threat, Russia is. So tell me ONE simple reason why they will go against Europe, just to please Russia?lol. Especially when Europe is the most advanced block in the world just shy of the U.S , hence we have much to offer China both technologically and economically.

Additionally, if you can figure out why China often supports Russia stance or at least is more inclined towards moscow in its disputes with other eastern european countries like during Crimea aggression, meanwhile Russia has never EVER voiced it support to China in SCS or against Vietnam/india enot even once. Lol

In fact moscow often does the opposite by arming both your opponents to maintain a power balance/avoid one power from dominating the region. Russia is an old smart bear who has been playing such great games with the West globally for over a century, so they have much more reach and experience than you do. They know you need them more than vice versa, so they can afford to.

Moreover, the article is wrong, The U.S is not in decline, other countries are merely rising. The U.S is still by far the worlds leading military power, more than the next 10 countries combined. Dont understand how the article claims russia and China are taking over. Lol In fact Major european powers like France and Britain even have more global military reach/bases/presence by far than China (and to a lesser extent Russia) forget about the U.S. The article is simply hype/dramatic as the media always does. Its even more funny when the article claims the U.S was worried/scared of invading Iran. Lool Good one. :lol: The reasons for that lies elsewhere, has nothing to do with military capabilities.
 
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Thank you, indeed, for detailed analysis without emoticons and other derision. That's a good quality post.

This is where you are wrong. Russia is still a far more dangerous/capanle military threat to not only we in Europe but also the U.S.

I agree. And it is a good thing. Somebody must keep the US in check. I do not think Russia takes the EU seriously (other than as an economic entity) for the same reason China does not: EU is not really a sovereign entity.

China today is just a regional military power, and doesnt involves itself around the world far from its shores militarily

That's China's geopolitical choice. It is so by policy enshrined in historical documents. China won't get involved in the rest of the world militarily unless/until its vital interests are threatened.

Russia who has not always been a more aggressive/expansionist power but still involves itself militarily abroad and just like the west has militarily bases overseas simethng China doesnt have.

West (US-led), at the moment, is not to be trusted and China's only major enemy.

The number of Russia's overseas bases is minuscule when compared to the US/NATO.

Besides, there is no reason why China would object to, say, Russia's having bases in Syria. That's a good thing and on this and many other geopolitical issues, China and Russia are on the exact same page.

This can ne seen in Russias naval military base in Syria, Russia due to its interests has been the leading arm supplier arms supplier to the syrian regimes for decades and Assads main backer/ally, China by contrast had little to no influence in Syria(it has never had one). So in this case China has no stake whatsoever in Syrian conflict. Even Iran has more stake in this conflict/region than China. China as i said is merely following Russia's lead in the hope of currying favor with moscow and forming a more closer syrategic relationship with Russia and bolster its position against the U.S in Asia/SCS. SO no matter Russia's stance in UNSC about Syria China would have followed Russia's lead.

China's Syria policy is in line with its decades old policy of non-interventionism and political solution of global/regional conflicts. It is not a new thing. China, just as Russia, sees the West (US-UK and their pawns) as the main culprit of the terrorism and radicalism in Syria.

In terms of global policy conceptualization, China and Russia have a great number of commonalities, which is the basis of the ongoing and ever evolving/instituonalizing China-Russia synergy.

As for Europe, well how can you say China doesnt consider Europe a seperate entity? If we were not, then how come we have been transfering sensitive military tech to/license building/cooperating with China for decades now (most times even with U.S /Japanese opposition and warnings?).lol Same with many European countries joining AIIB.etc its simply because we dont and have never ever seen you as a threat.

China does not see Europe as a threat, either. In fact China desires for a more Eurasianist Europe that casts away the Atlanticist/Washington's yoke. Can you do that?

The AIIB case is a fine demonstration of Europe's brushing off Washington and minding their own interests. Just like South Korea did. China is in pursuit of such independent partners. We chose Korea over Japan any day.

Unlike the US, China seeks equal partners, not minions, spokes or pawns.

To think a weak/backward/non independent Europe will be going against the U.S and helping China in sensitive areas, what an irony. Lol We do what is in our interests, moreover we are still by far Chinas largest trading partner, if you think your leaders will forsake that for an unreliable Russia then you are wrong, especially since they know we dony see them as a threat, Russia is.

You participate in a lot of US-led policy moves while majority of your constituency opposes. Case in hand is Syria. You sided with Washington and its allies like Saudi Arabia to bring democracy to Syria. And in the end, you are inundated with refugees and refugee-looking terrorists.

Tell me, how is this being independent?

So tell me ONE simple reason why they will go against Europe? Especially when Europe is the most advanced block in the world just shy of the U.S , hence we have much to offer China.

Why would we go against Europe? It is not Europe that wave the Pivot stick before our eyes. Europe is an economic partner while Russia is a strategic partner. This is so, given that Russia is a sovereign-independent state while Europe is heavily abused and victimized by the US.

China has a certain foreign policy conceptualization as embodied in the five principles of peaceful coexistence. Any state policy that falls in line with it, China will stand by. If not, China will remain neutral.

Additionally, if you can figure out why China often supports Russia stance or at least is more inclined towards moscow in its disputes with other eastern european countries like during Crimea aggression, meanwhile Russia has never EVER voicef it support to China in SCS or against Vietnam/india etc, in fact moscow often does the opposite by arming both your opponents to maintain a power balance/avoid one power from dominating the region.

In the case of Ukraine, China maintained a neutral stance. It did not join the ES-led sanctions, yes, but, it also did not join Russia-led counter sanctions. China is not an ideological power in foreign policy, unlike Saudi America, hence, it takes pragmatic stance while also taking into account its capabilities and priorities realistically. We are still a developing nation.

China tends to look at the issues historically, not as events isolated from dependent/independent variables. This happens when you are educated into Marxian criticism and dialectical materialism.

In the case of Ukraine, we do not see it as Russian aggression, per se, but, rather, as Russia's legitimate response to US-led NATO aggression. We put the blame on the US and NATO.

Just as Russia does business with Vietnam, China continues to do business with Ukraine. China and Russia understand each other and, behind the scene, all is well spoken and thought over. All is planned. China sees no harm if Vietnam acquired some sub-par systems and Russia earned much-needed money. People got to live.

Russia is an old smart bear who has been playing such great games with the West globally for over a century, so they have much more reach and experience than you do. They know you need them more than vice versa, so they can afford to.

Believe us, we know one thing or two, as well. And just as there is an underlying dynamic among the West no matter how much differences, similar dynamics are present between China and Russia, world's most significant alternative order-makers at the moment.

Moreover, the article is wrong, The U.S is not in decline, other countries are merely rising. The U.S is still by far the worlds leading military power, more than the next 10 countries combined.

Probably that's a fact that we remind ourselves every working day, believe me. Also, there is relative power as well as absolute power, please keep in mind. When MAD capability offers relative power, absolute power becomes obsolete.

In fact Major european powers like France and Britain even have more global military reach/bases/presence by far than China (and to a lesser extent Russia) forget about the U.S. The article is simply hype/dramatic as the media always does.

My purpose to publish the article above was to point out how Saudi America has been acting as the No1 instigator of terrorism in Syria.

Do you know that France asked UN to include Al Nusra to the list of terrorist organization only after it found out that the the Paris journal attackers were affiliated with them? This is despite the fact that Al Nusra had been executing, torturing, raping civilians in Syria for years. But, at that time, they received assistance from the US-led West.

If China-Russia partnership can break this vicious cycle of immorality and criminal immunity, that's a major contribution to global peace right there.

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Russia has it all under control and the US and its regional terrorist-loving regimes' hysteria won't change the facts on the ground.

How many of US-trained (in Turkey) moderate terrorists left? 5 or 6, according to the White House.

The UN meeting is coming up at the end of this month and Mr. Putin will be speaking there. Then we will see what sort of great power arrangement is to be reached among Russia and the US+EU.

In these cases, sadly, barking is left to regional minions who think themselves as having "strategic depth" but in fact are merely expendable.

In the meantime, the world is noticing how Turkey is also trying to creating a migrant crisis by channeling Syrian, Libyan, Iraqi immigrants into Europe, thereby, hoping to put together the long-dreamed anti-Syria coalition. @Götterdämmerung
Germany has to take a brunt of this.

At the end of the day, terrorist groups like IS, Al Nusra, FSA, Ahrar al-Sham and their state-sponsors like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia will deeply regret for their sectarian policies.

Great powers always come out unscathed no matter how many mistakes they make.

I think US Pentagon will not hesitate to use WMD on China.

Douglas Macarthur already wanted to nuke China in Korea War.
 
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