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The ongoing saga of the refurbishment of “Admiral Gorshkov” has spoiled relations between Delhi and Moscow for quite some time. The Russians are sick and tired of revised requirements from Delhi and have repeatedly raised the price of the Air Craft Carrier that is to be delivered to Delhi in 2012. The deal has come to a breaking point on several occasions, only to be salvaged with Delhi agreeing to pay more money to Russia. President Medvedev who once left Delhi on short notice after failed negotiations is now pressing this shipyard to push the ship out as soon as possible. It is still not certain that the political pressure can overcome the technical problems faced by the Sevmash yard.
As previously reported by BarentsObserver, Sevmash has already admitted that the aircraft carrier is a loss project for the yard.
In the meeting with Medvedev, Sevmash General Director Nikolai Kalistratov confirmed that “very much work remains with the aircraft carrier” .
At the same time, Mr. Kalistratov criticized the Indians for having raised their requirements from Sevmash. –They wanted a Lada, and now they demand a Mercedes, he told the president. Aircraft carrier blunders: 2009-07-03
The original price has been tripled ($6a7 million to $2 Billion) and there is a sense that it might be increased again. The main reason for the increase in the price is the unrelenting expectations of the Bhrartis who now expect a tip of the line ship–even though they purchased a mothballed dilapated tub.
The Russian are sick and tired of the Indian demeanor who continue to bargain endlessly. In recent years, India has grown closer to the USA, and many defense deals may be in the offing. Cracks are showing the Indo-Russian alliance and a chagrined Russia is now charging market prices for the ship.
A mutipolar world and the realities of South Asia have made India realize that red is thicker than greenbacks. The Indian establishment always suspicious of the US is predisposed to the Red Bear. This week proved the old axiom that when Delhi sees trouble it runs to Moscow. The Kremlin seeking new allies hasn’t totally hugged India but it sure wants the Billions of Dollars New Delhi is about to spend on airplanes. to that end, India has agreed to pay more for an archaic Aircraft Career call Admiral Gorshkov. India is desperate for icons and symbols of power.
India’s sole aircraft carrier, the 29,000 ton INS Viraat, is going to spend the next 16 months in a shipyard getting maintenance and upgrades, leaving India with no carrier capability. This was to have been avoided by the timely arrival (this year) of the refurbished Russian carrier, the 44,000 ton Gorshkov, as the INS Vikramaditya. Under this plan, the INS Viraat was to be retired in 2012, after 53 years service (for Britain and India). But now the INS Viraat will get its engine and hull refurbished, and its electronics upgraded, and possibly serve for another decade.
Meanwhile, India has agreed to pay an additional billion dollars to complete the delayed refurbishment of the Russian aircraft carrier Gorshkov. The Russians not only demanded more money, but also admitted that a labor shortage would delay delivery until 2012. An Indian shipyard team will try to get the carrier out of the Russian yards earlier, and will also keep an eye on quality control.
The Russians have also admitted that the project also suffers from shoddy workmanship. The Indians have lots of experience with this sort of thing in Russian weapons, and will try to catch mistakes before the ship gets to India, hopefully in two or three years, rather than four. The Indians will also help with reconstructing the blueprints for the ship, which were apparently lost, and that contributed to the delay as well.
The new deal will cost $2.5 billion. This includes the purchase of the Gorshkov, and Russian shipyards performing repairs, modifications and upgrades. Another $800 milliom is to be spent on aircraft, weapons and equipment. Building a Gorshkov type carrier today would cost about $4 billion, and take several years more. India is building another carrier, from scratch, but that 37,000 ton vessel won’t be ready until 2015.
The Admiral Gorshkov entered service in 1987, but was inactivated in 1996 (too expensive to operate on a post Cold War budget). The Indian deal was made in 2004, and the carrier was to be ready by 2008. But a year ago reports began coming out of Russia that the shipyard doing the work, Sevmash, had seriously miscalculated the cost of the project. The revised costs were more like $1.1 billion for the $700 million refurb. The situation proceeded to get worse, with Sevmash reporting ever increasing costs to refurbish the carrier.
The Indians were not happy, and at first insisted that the Russian government (which owns many of the entities involved) make good on the original deal. India sent its own team of technical experts to Russia, and their report apparently confirmed what the Russians reported, about shipyard officials low-balling the cost of the work needed. This is a common tactic for firms building weapons for their own country. It gets more complicated when you try to pull that sort of thing on a foreign customer. The Russian government will cover some of the overrun cost. The Sevmash managers who negotiated the low bid are being prosecuted.
Once refurbished, the Gorshkov, renamed INS Vikramaditya, should be good for about 30 years of service. That’s because, after the refit, 70 percent of the ships equipment will be new, and the rest refurbished. India Left Naked by James Dunnigan April 22, 2008
Though it cannot afford to, but Delhi wants to play in the big leagues. India will pay $2 billion for an antique aircraft carrier designed for 1980s. It is a shame that Indian navy got a piece of junk made look nice for $2 billion. India agreed to a $1.5 billion package deal signed in January 2004 for Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. It was Pranab Mukherjee, the Indian foreign minister and then defense minister who initiated the deal with the Russians. Now India has shell out as much as $2 billion more to Russia to get aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov by end-2012. The final cost is expect to be around $3 Billion. Actually the deal may nver go through. Many analysts believe that the Russians don’t want to sell the Admiral Gorshkov to Delhi.
Aircraft Carrier ?Admiral Gorshkov?: Delhi wanted a Lada, & now demands a Mercedes RUPEE NEWS: Recording History, Narrating Archives, Strategic Intellibrief Analysis: Noticias de Rupia | Nouvelles de Roupie | Rupiennachrichten | ???????
Analysis:
Indians are found to be quiet adept for the procurement of this ship & I feel that this really will cause a great surge on the Pakistan side for such an equivalent thing. However, Pakistan what always did is neutralizing such threats using an appropiate amount of submarines, which we recently made a deal with Germans. What I am thinking right now is which warplane India will opt out for. SU-33 is the farmost used warplane on this ship & whether India use this one or assign advance version of F-18 time will tell because India last year did made a deal for F-18 Super Hornets!!
As previously reported by BarentsObserver, Sevmash has already admitted that the aircraft carrier is a loss project for the yard.
In the meeting with Medvedev, Sevmash General Director Nikolai Kalistratov confirmed that “very much work remains with the aircraft carrier” .
At the same time, Mr. Kalistratov criticized the Indians for having raised their requirements from Sevmash. –They wanted a Lada, and now they demand a Mercedes, he told the president. Aircraft carrier blunders: 2009-07-03
The original price has been tripled ($6a7 million to $2 Billion) and there is a sense that it might be increased again. The main reason for the increase in the price is the unrelenting expectations of the Bhrartis who now expect a tip of the line ship–even though they purchased a mothballed dilapated tub.
The Russian are sick and tired of the Indian demeanor who continue to bargain endlessly. In recent years, India has grown closer to the USA, and many defense deals may be in the offing. Cracks are showing the Indo-Russian alliance and a chagrined Russia is now charging market prices for the ship.
A mutipolar world and the realities of South Asia have made India realize that red is thicker than greenbacks. The Indian establishment always suspicious of the US is predisposed to the Red Bear. This week proved the old axiom that when Delhi sees trouble it runs to Moscow. The Kremlin seeking new allies hasn’t totally hugged India but it sure wants the Billions of Dollars New Delhi is about to spend on airplanes. to that end, India has agreed to pay more for an archaic Aircraft Career call Admiral Gorshkov. India is desperate for icons and symbols of power.
India’s sole aircraft carrier, the 29,000 ton INS Viraat, is going to spend the next 16 months in a shipyard getting maintenance and upgrades, leaving India with no carrier capability. This was to have been avoided by the timely arrival (this year) of the refurbished Russian carrier, the 44,000 ton Gorshkov, as the INS Vikramaditya. Under this plan, the INS Viraat was to be retired in 2012, after 53 years service (for Britain and India). But now the INS Viraat will get its engine and hull refurbished, and its electronics upgraded, and possibly serve for another decade.
Meanwhile, India has agreed to pay an additional billion dollars to complete the delayed refurbishment of the Russian aircraft carrier Gorshkov. The Russians not only demanded more money, but also admitted that a labor shortage would delay delivery until 2012. An Indian shipyard team will try to get the carrier out of the Russian yards earlier, and will also keep an eye on quality control.
The Russians have also admitted that the project also suffers from shoddy workmanship. The Indians have lots of experience with this sort of thing in Russian weapons, and will try to catch mistakes before the ship gets to India, hopefully in two or three years, rather than four. The Indians will also help with reconstructing the blueprints for the ship, which were apparently lost, and that contributed to the delay as well.
The new deal will cost $2.5 billion. This includes the purchase of the Gorshkov, and Russian shipyards performing repairs, modifications and upgrades. Another $800 milliom is to be spent on aircraft, weapons and equipment. Building a Gorshkov type carrier today would cost about $4 billion, and take several years more. India is building another carrier, from scratch, but that 37,000 ton vessel won’t be ready until 2015.
The Admiral Gorshkov entered service in 1987, but was inactivated in 1996 (too expensive to operate on a post Cold War budget). The Indian deal was made in 2004, and the carrier was to be ready by 2008. But a year ago reports began coming out of Russia that the shipyard doing the work, Sevmash, had seriously miscalculated the cost of the project. The revised costs were more like $1.1 billion for the $700 million refurb. The situation proceeded to get worse, with Sevmash reporting ever increasing costs to refurbish the carrier.
The Indians were not happy, and at first insisted that the Russian government (which owns many of the entities involved) make good on the original deal. India sent its own team of technical experts to Russia, and their report apparently confirmed what the Russians reported, about shipyard officials low-balling the cost of the work needed. This is a common tactic for firms building weapons for their own country. It gets more complicated when you try to pull that sort of thing on a foreign customer. The Russian government will cover some of the overrun cost. The Sevmash managers who negotiated the low bid are being prosecuted.
Once refurbished, the Gorshkov, renamed INS Vikramaditya, should be good for about 30 years of service. That’s because, after the refit, 70 percent of the ships equipment will be new, and the rest refurbished. India Left Naked by James Dunnigan April 22, 2008
Though it cannot afford to, but Delhi wants to play in the big leagues. India will pay $2 billion for an antique aircraft carrier designed for 1980s. It is a shame that Indian navy got a piece of junk made look nice for $2 billion. India agreed to a $1.5 billion package deal signed in January 2004 for Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. It was Pranab Mukherjee, the Indian foreign minister and then defense minister who initiated the deal with the Russians. Now India has shell out as much as $2 billion more to Russia to get aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov by end-2012. The final cost is expect to be around $3 Billion. Actually the deal may nver go through. Many analysts believe that the Russians don’t want to sell the Admiral Gorshkov to Delhi.
Aircraft Carrier ?Admiral Gorshkov?: Delhi wanted a Lada, & now demands a Mercedes RUPEE NEWS: Recording History, Narrating Archives, Strategic Intellibrief Analysis: Noticias de Rupia | Nouvelles de Roupie | Rupiennachrichten | ???????
Analysis:
Indians are found to be quiet adept for the procurement of this ship & I feel that this really will cause a great surge on the Pakistan side for such an equivalent thing. However, Pakistan what always did is neutralizing such threats using an appropiate amount of submarines, which we recently made a deal with Germans. What I am thinking right now is which warplane India will opt out for. SU-33 is the farmost used warplane on this ship & whether India use this one or assign advance version of F-18 time will tell because India last year did made a deal for F-18 Super Hornets!!
