Air China magazine warns London visitors to avoid ethnic minority areas

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[AndrewJin]

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dude, my comment was not racist at all!!!
I am so sorry one of them have to be deleted for no reason...

No way, although Chinese historical books are filled with the racism, specially against the nomad and tropical dark natives, political correctness don't allow books or newspapers mentioned these content publicly nowadays. I disagree with you, but impossible we edit our ancient books, it is too hard a job.

It was just part of Chinese history.
When Chinese had already started to run a meritocracy-based centralised government, the rest of the world was somewhat primitive according to the narratives on Chinese history records centuries ago.
https://defence.pk/threads/how-soci...meritocracy-shaped-the-middle-kingdom.444685/

 

[mike2000 is back]

Whichever way you look at it, it is a racist comment. But I guess in oriental culture, it is OK to be suspicious by generalizing. I have worked in a Korean behemoth. Many of my friends also worked in chinese, japanese companies. And we all had a common opinion - they do not trust people of other nationalities at all, and have a strong opinion for all south asians. But they do not even realize that. It is like, they are tuned for it culturally.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying they are racist. I am saying that they don't even know that some of the things that they do or say, can be racially offending to others.

True having visited quite a few East Asian countries I can attest to this. There are things people and even public officials say there that will be considee racists by all means here in the west and will get you in trouble here.
However, it's also because there is nothing like political correctness in East Asia(which to me is not a bad thing), so people tend to be more outspoken regarding such issues. They are not even aware most times that such things they say can be considered racists to others. So I don't think they are being racist per se. Just ignorance about such comments being offensive to others. So depends on how we look at things.
Plus there are crime/issues in every country one way or another. If we were to look at some issues other countries face to judge whether tourists will go or not then there is almost no country in the world who will attract tourists. Lol

SO I THINK THIS IS JUST STEREOTYPES. London is still by far the world's most popular tourist destination city for a reason.

 

[AndrewJin]

This is not a racial issue, it is a question of urban management.

It's London's problem of course. But Air China should apologise.

It should be common knowledge for Chinese tourists to UK, do not walk alone at night in UK.
Chinese tourists should be aware with the general situation in the west, do not apply the walk-at-night rule from China to the west. Then problem solved, no need to point it out on the magazines, which could be offending and racist to local London people. Air China should apologise to London people, such racist (for locals) notice is bloody inappropriate.

Chinese people should bear in mind, it's inappropriate to say racist words in a lot of countries. Some words we use to describe Europeans and black are very racist and offending, we should avoid that abroad. For example, Chinese use "ghost" to refer to some foreigners and use "monkey" to describe white people's excessive hair on the skin even for white women. Some netizens always make fun of that at home, but should avoid discussing it in the west, especially in the public. Some netizens like to discuss foreigners' love of use perfume to cover their unbearable body smell at Chinese forums. It's ok to say it in between Chinese, but I find it extremely inappropriate that some Chinese young people even talk about it with foreign travellers from the west at youth hostels....I felt embarrassed when I was at one hostel in Yunnan.

 

[RoadRunner401]

nothing wrong with the tourist company wanting to protect their Chinese customers

Exactly, I couldn't agree more, but since Indians and Pakistanis are pretty much in every continent, except Antarctica, which I hear is beautiful 12 Months of the year and crime free, plus 99% white people, may I suggest Chinese tourist avoid the Rest of the world and travel to Antarctica.

 

[Place Of Space]

Exactly, I couldn't agree more, but since Indians and Pakistanis are pretty much in every country, may I suggest Chinese tourist avoid the World.

Bro, let's be clear Pakistanis reputation certainly is impacted by Indian. The West medias often report Indian gang rape, descripe them as rutting thing, this is truth. Sometimes Pakistanis really look similar to Indian, others can't tell them if they don't know each other. Anyway, I once came across Pakistanis in China. I found a old man (maybe 60 year old), he seemed lost the way, I asked where he was from. I was glad to lead him the direction after hearing he came from Pakistan. I hope you won't be influenced by this news. Air China intend to protect his service users, you know, right?

 

[AndrewJin]

Bro, let's be clear Pakistanis reputation certainly is impacted by Indian. The West medias often report Indian gang rape, descripe them as rutting thing, this is truth. Sometimes Pakistanis really look similar to Indian, others can't tell them if they don't know each other. Anyway, I once came across Pakistanis in China. I found a old man (maybe 60 year old), he seemed lost the way, I asked where he was from. I was glad to lead him the direction after hearing he came from Pakistan. I hope you won't be influenced by this news. Air China intend to protect his service users, you know, right?

Exactly.
It is advisable for Pakistani in China to claim nationality first, otherwise some narrow-minded people will regard tourists as the nationals of some other country (To the majority in China, South Asian people look the same). I am always willing to help Pakistani tourists or students in China. My family lives inside a university campus in Wuhan, I know some international students. Pakistani international students can definitely feel like home here.

 

[Place Of Space]

Exactly.
It is advisable for Pakistani in China to claim nationality first, otherwise some narrow-minded people will regard tourists as the nationals of some other country (To the majority in China, South Asian people look the same). I am always willing to help Pakistani tourists or students in China. My family lives inside a university campus in Wuhan, I know some international students. Pakistani international students can definitely feel like home here.

Well done. You live in university campus, I guess you have more chance to come across Pakistanis. Actually they are worth to the kind reception, they treat Chinese living in Pakistan well, and all Pakistanis I met in China are polite and friendly. These are my personal experiences.

 

[AndrewJin]

Well done. You live in university campus, I guess you have more chance to come across Pakistanis. Actually they are worth to the kind reception, they treat Chinese living in Pakistan well, and all Pakistanis I met in China are polite and friendly. These are my personal experiences.

I've been living in the teachers' community which is located inside a university campus since I was born...
Though I've moved a lot, only from one building to another bigger one inside the campus.....
My dad always invites his students to our home for dinner and sport games.
They sometimes babysit me when I was a small kid....so that my parents could go out.
I played with my bigger friends when I was young.
Now, I can travel around China for free, those students treat me at their hometown.

 

[terranMarine]

I blame the Western media for making an elephant out of a mosquito issue which have led to the misconception regretfully. In recent years too many horror rape stories originating from India has made the world look at Indians in a different perspective. Pakistan members should not be discouraged by the news, the warning part on the magazine should have shown a bit more consideration. Unfortunately recent terrorist attacks or rising crimes in certain parts of Europe have prompted the company issuing precautions for taking a walk at night or touring around in broad daylight. Robbery, rapes, harassment and murder are not uncommon in Europe. So Iron brothers don't feel offended, it's not targeting you guys or any specific race. We have seen how Chinese tourists got mugged in Paris these past few years, so we must be careful when travel around.

 

[Place Of Space]

I've been living in the teachers' community which is located inside a university campus since I was born...
Though I've moved a lot, only from one building to another bigger one inside the campus.....
My dad always invites his students to our home for dinner and sport games.
They sometimes babysit me when I was a small kid....so that my parents could go out.
I played with my bigger friends when I was young.
Now, I can travel around China for free, those students treat me at their hometown.

You were a spoiled kid, hahah. That must be interesting experiences when your dad's students meet with you again after you grow up, specially you graduated from famous Shanghai Jiao Tong Uni!

 

[dy1022]

you are one funny racist. Chinese chinese, yes papa. Looking at something, no papa. Telling a lie, no papa. "open your eyes"...hahaha

I'm not racist, But I know the truth hurts !

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[Lure]

To all Pakistani posters,

I don't think for one second that Chinese people percieve Pakistani people as potential criminals. In fact we all know that Chinese government and Pakistan has a long lasting arrangement about a mutual defense treaty. Meaning China is ready to enter a war if Pakistan is attacked. Now if Chinese people see Pakistani people as potential criminals, why the hell would they be ready to give their lives with you?

China is the only major country that believes in a prosperous Pakistan. You know better then I do that the Western media shows Pakistan as a bad example of a Muslim majority country. Like "country x will become like Pakistan if it goes like this". I know this because such remarks are made for Turkey. Turkey under AKP will become like Pakistan they say. It's like Pakistan is hell and they say Turkey become like hell. Meanwhile Chinese government signs CPEC and investing literally hundereds of billions of dollars to Pakistan for a better future while those politcally correct westerners are insulting you like that.

They say don't go to minority neighbourhoods when you're in London. US arrested a German-Turkish citizen for simply visiting Pakistan after 9/11. You choose which one is politically correct. One side doesn't say anything bad and always talks with carefully chosen words, but thinks visiting Pakistan means you're terrorist. The other one speaks more bluntly (maybe), but ready to die side by side when the time comes.

Actions speak louder then words. Don't fall into the illusions of US regime.

 

[Rasengan]

I think the magazine should have been more sensitive and respectful rather quoting a specific ethnic group. London does have some rough areas, however, it certainly will not mean that someone will rob a Chinese person the minute he steps into the vacinty. A person can be attacked in oxford street, kensington, hyde park, etc. There is a good reason why London is regarded as the most multicultural city in the world, and East London is developing nicely. In the next 10 years there will be 35 major centers in London, and South East London will benifit the most. If I was to give a counter argument, everyone should know that Soho and Leicester Square is the top crime spot in London, and it has one of the largest Chinese population in the country. However, its there business, so they can do whatever they want.

 

[AndrewJin]

To all Pakistani posters,

I don't think for one second that Chinese people percieve Pakistani people as potential criminals. In fact we all know that Chinese government and Pakistan has a long lasting arrangement about a mutual defense treaty. Meaning China is ready to enter a war if Pakistan is attacked. Now if Chinese people see Pakistani people as potential criminals, why the hell would they be ready to give their lives with you?

China is the only major country that believes in a prosperous Pakistan. You know better then I do that the Western media shows Pakistan as a bad example of a Muslim majority country. Like "country x will become like Pakistan if it goes like this". I know this because such remarks are made for Turkey. Turkey under AKP will become like Pakistan they say. It's like Pakistan is hell and they say Turkey become like hell. Meanwhile Chinese government signs CPEC and investing literally hundereds of billions of dollars to Pakistan for a better future while those politcally correct westerners are insulting you like that.

They say don't go to minority neighbourhoods when you're in London. US arrested a German-Turkish citizen for simply visiting Pakistan after 9/11. You choose which one is politically correct. One side doesn't say anything bad and always talks with carefully chosen words, but thinks visiting Pakistan means you're terrorist. The other one speaks more bluntly (maybe), but ready to die side by side when the time comes.

Actions speak louder then words. Don't fall into the illusions of US regime.

Well said.
I've never never read one single news portraying Pakistan like in the western corporate media....
At most expressing sympathy about the natural disasters or extremist atrocities.
The headline news on Baidu.com sometimes is about Pakistan, last time it was about
https://defence.pk/threads/thanks-f...ce-to-flood-stricken-chinese-province.446000/
I post that thread because that news was headline, so I read it....

I blame the Western media for making an elephant out of a mosquito issue which have led to the misconception regretfully. In recent years too many horror rape stories originating from India has made the world look at Indians in a different perspective. Pakistan members should not be discouraged by the news, the warning part on the magazine should have shown a bit more consideration. Unfortunately recent terrorist attacks or rising crimes in certain parts of Europe have prompted the company issuing precautions for taking a walk at night or touring around in broad daylight. Robbery, rapes, harassment and murder are not uncommon in Europe. So Iron brothers don't feel offended, it's not targeting you guys or any specific race. We have seen how Chinese tourists got mugged in Paris these past few years, so we must be careful when travel around.

Of course it is not about Pakistan.
It's so sad that her neighbours' incidents makes people confused about Pakistan....

Europe is all about chaos in media here....
It simply reflects people' concerns about safety....
Paris is about dog shits and subway which smells urine....
Roma is about theft and robbery, and Chinese policemen patrol.....
Spain is about unemployment...
Germany is about racial tension and fat Merkel...
North Europe is about no-go-zones...
Relax....