After ASML accused China of developing the lithography machine, HIT lithography Machine's ultra-precision laser interferometer achieved another breakt

[onebyone]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655258520642637825

 

[FuturePAF]

So what size chips does this specific breakthrough mean China can produce at scale?

I assume 14 nanometers based on this other thread.

In response to the cost issue, SMIC announced that it had already mass-produced 14-nanometer chips

 

[fitpOsitive]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655258520642637825

As far as I know, this lithography machine project was an ASML project. How it landed in the hands of China, is another story. None of the chip tech that China has today is Chinese. Europe is playing a dangerous game, and if USA figured that out, then it will be a bad news for many.
USA does drama with many. But here USA is getting fooled, and USA has to figure this out asap.

 

[S10]

So what size chips does this specific breakthrough mean China can produce at scale?

I assume 14 nanometers based on this other thread.

In response to the cost issue, SMIC announced that it had already mass-produced 14-nanometer chips

China can easily produce 14nm by using existing DUV machines purchased from ASML. It can produce small batches of 7nm with the same machines using repeated exposure technique.

If we're talking about solely domestic lithography, then only 28nm. Even in this case, it's sufficient for 85% of all electronics.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

As far as I know, this lithography machine project was an ASML project. How it landed in the hands of China, is another story. None of the chip tech that China has today is Chinese. Europe is playing a dangerous game, and if USA figured that out, then it will be a bad news for many.
USA does drama with many. But here USA is getting fooled, and USA has to figure this out asap.

Europe was secretly funding the Talibans around 2010s too, it seems that they want the US to be removed from the throne as much as everyone else does

 

[FuturePAF]

China can easily produce 14nm by using existing DUV machines purchased from ASML. It can produce small batches of 7nm with the same machines using repeated exposure technique.

If we're talking about solely domestic lithography, then only 28nm. Even in this case, it's sufficient for 85% of all electronics.

So what breakthrough does this machine enable?

 

[MH.Yang]

So what breakthrough does this machine enable?

This means that the mass production speed and quantity of 28nm will not be limited by the number of machines. It also means that 28nm chips will be as cheap as tomatoes.

China is able to mass produce 14nm, but it is limited by the number of machines.

The yield of 7nm manufactured in China is not high, and qualified products are expensive and have relatively low commercial value.

 

[FuturePAF]

This means that the mass production speed and quantity of 28nm will not be limited by the number of machines. It also means that 28nm chips will be as cheap as tomatoes.

China is able to mass produce 14nm, but it is limited by the number of machines.

The yield of 7nm manufactured in China is not high, and qualified products are expensive and have relatively low commercial value.

Thanks for the clarification.

Any guess at when the limitations on production of 14 and 7 nm chips are expected to be met?

When making 14 and even 7 nm chips will become cheap and easy as well?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Europe was secretly funding the Talibans around 2010s too, it seems that they want the US to be removed from the throne as much as everyone else does

Removal of USA from throne will be an extremely bad news, specially for China. No more free technology, no easy ways to make money, no easy big markets.

As time is passing, I am more and more convinced that USA is necessary power for this world.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Removal of USA from throne will be an extremely bad news, specially for China. No more free technology, no easy ways to make money, no easy big markets.

No doubt China was the top beneficiary of Pax Americana and wished for it to continue, at least before the US became hell bent on throwing us all back to a cold war style world.

As time is passing, I am more and more convinced that USA is necessary power for this world.

I'm sure lots of people will be grieving when they watch America drawing her last breath.

 

[fitpOsitive]

No doubt China was the top beneficiary of Pax Americana and wished for it to continue, at least before the US became hell bent on throwing us all back to a cold war style world.

I'm sure lots of people will be grieving when they watch America drawing her last breath.

China should prepare for economic and technological blows.

 

[Han Patriot]

As far as I know, this lithography machine project was an ASML project. How it landed in the hands of China, is another story. None of the chip tech that China has today is Chinese. Europe is playing a dangerous game, and if USA figured that out, then it will be a bad news for many.
USA does drama with many. But here USA is getting fooled, and USA has to figure this out asap.

Lithography is only up to 28nm domestic, if etcher up to 5nm domestic, photoresist upto 7nm domestic and CMP polishing upto 7nm domestic, the main bottleneck is lithography. We can only make euv upto 32nm domestic.

 

[Bengal71]

Lithography is only up to 28nm domestic, if etcher up to 5nm domestic, photoresist upto 7nm domestic and CMP polishing upto 7nm domestic, the main bottleneck is lithography. We can only make euv upto 32nm domestic.

Is there any news on when China will be able to make it's own lithography machine capable of producing 7nm?

 

[Tigers]

China can easily produce 14nm by using existing DUV machines purchased from ASML. It can produce small batches of 7nm with the same machines using repeated exposure technique.

If we're talking about solely domestic lithography, then only 28nm. Even in this case, it's sufficient for 85% of all electronics.

Then 7nm node is not commercially profitable. It can be good as technology demonstrator but it puts China behind by roughly 10 years. Intel sold 14nm chips back in 2014.

 

[Tigers]

Is there any news on when China will be able to make it's own lithography machine capable of producing 7nm?

N7 patterning is possible using DUV but it becomes very complex and the yields are not commercially profitable. Transitioning to EUV gives you good yields but China is facing a long road ahead after ASML was barred from selling EUV machines.