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IN JANUARY this year Muhammad bin Salman, the young deputy crown prince who in effect runs Saudi Arabia, declared an end to his country’s “comatose” foreign policy and a determination to push back against Iran. The Syrian rebels he supported looked unbeatable in Aleppo. His generals spoke of the imminent capture of Sana’a, Yemen’s capital, from the Houthi rebels who had seized it. He kept Iran and its client militia, Hizbullah, from imposing their choice of president in Lebanon. Officials spoke of bankrupting Iran by saturating the market with oil, regardless of the wishes of OPEC partners. A Saudi ambassador even went back to Baghdad, for the first time in 25 years.

But at the end of the year the kingdom finds itself in retreat on all fronts. Its ambassador has pulled out of Iraq, fleeing a torrent of abuse from Shia politicians who look towards Iran. Pounded by Iranian, Russian and Syrian government forces, the rebels in Aleppo are on the verge of defeat. The Saudis have bowed to Iran’s preference for Lebanon’s president. And at an OPEC meeting on November 30th, they agreed to shoulder the largest share of a production cut in a bid to restore prices, while letting Iran raise its production to pre-sanctions levels.

In Yemen, Saudi Arabia’s Houthi foes seem bent on denying Prince Muhammad a dignified exit, launching repeated cross-border raids and last week declaring their own new government, rather than agreeing to form one including the exiled president as the prince wants. “Yemen will be Saudi Arabia’s Vietnam,” says a contemptuous Iranian official. “It is bleeding the Saudis’ military and diplomatic prestige.” If Saudi Arabia agrees to leave the rest of the region, he says, Iran will let it keep Bahrain, the little island state linked by a causeway to Saudi’s eastern coast.

This reversal of fortune owes much to the successes of Iran’s military support for the Arab world’s Shia and allied forces—Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad, Iraq’s army and paramilitary forces, and Lebanon’s militia-cum-political party, Hizbullah. “They are surrounding us with militias,” protests General Ahmad Asiri, who advises the deputy crown prince on the Yemen campaign. But Saudi Arabia is also losing soft power, cutting its funding to traditional Sunni allies, who have begun looking elsewhere. With his construction firm in Saudi Arabia in trouble because of government cuts, Saad Hariri, who heads Lebanon’s Sunni bloc, has accepted the post of prime minister under Hizbullah’s choice for president. Egypt’s President, Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, is making overtures to Syria, Russia and even Iran after Saudi Arabia cut back shipments of free oil.

As relations fray in the broader region, the prince is trying to strengthen ties with the principalities in his back yard. King Salman, his father, made a rare foreign trip to four Gulf states in early December. A summit in Bahrain’s capital, Manama, which ended on December 7th, aimed to advance plans to turn the Gulf Cooperation Council into a Gulf Union with tighter defence co-ordination. But there, too, not all are convinced. “There’s a latent fear of Saudi hegemony,” says Becca Wasser, who monitors the Gulf for RAND Corporation, an American think-tank. Oman, in particular, prefers to be semi-detached.

Still, the OPEC agreement defied expectations, indicating that both Iran and Saudi Arabia can prioritise economics over regional confrontation. Both are failing to cover domestic spending, let alone foreign adventures. Iran’s government needs oil at $55 per barrel to break even, says the IMF; Saudi Arabia’s needs $80. “The oil producers can’t sustain the external and proxy wars they once could when oil was a $120 a barrel,” says a former World Bank economist in Beirut. “They realise they need to change.” Greater stability and more open borders, too, says an Iranian official, would help Iran find new markets for other exports, such as of cars and cement.

The coming of Donald Trump in America is a further reason for restraint. “Both countries are playing a waiting game,” says Adnan Tabatabai, the head of CARPO, a Bonn-based think-tank which is running “track 2” (non-official) talks between Saudis and Iranians. Both fear Mr Trump’s reputation for impulsive action—even a senior Saudi prince has urged him not to break off the global deal that has limited Iran’s nuclear programme. Both sides seem uncertain whether he will tighten sanctions on Iran or ratchet up JASTA, the new law that allows Americans to sue Saudi Arabia for losses on September 11th 2001. Above all, and despite the influence of hardliners in both camps, neither side wants anything resembling a direct war.

But tensions are not abating; quite the reverse. Saudi Arabia severed diplomatic relations with Iran in January because of an attack on its embassy in Tehran that followed the execution of a prominent Shia cleric and three other Shias. This week came the news that 15 more Shias have been sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia on charges of spying for Iran.

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...ced-diplomatic-reverses-all-fronts-after-year
 
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After reading this article one can understand why most of the Saudi members in this forum like Alarabi a.k.a "Al-butthurti" are so furious with the Mullas.
 
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After reading this article one can understand why most of the Saudi members in this forum like Alarabi a.k.a "Al-butthurti" are so furious with the Mullas.
I know, right?

They really got done over at OPEC!
 
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Total meltdown is what Saudis are facing. They have failed to build a strategy and take the amount of risk needed to win in Yemen. If they simply annexed Yemen through a full scale invasion of ground troops, it would have consolidated their gains. They relied mainly on arming poorly trained militias backed by Saudi lead air power. No one has ever won a war like that.
 
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The Economist is a useless source when it comes to Middle Eastern politics. They have proven this time and time again. Not long ago some of their teenage "journalists" had written an article about the Middle East where "Sunnis" appeared as an ethnic group.

1- The ambassador to Iraq was replaced because he was awarded a better position.

http://english.aawsat.com/2016/10/a...er-al-sabhan-named-arab-gulf-affairs-minister

2- Iran lost 1000+ thousands of its generals and advisors in Syria, not to mention the 10's of billions it lost with barely a positive result in Syria. A country that is damaged for good and a country that will never accept the Al-Assad regime on the long run.
3- KSA manipulated you in Lebanon and forced Lebanese President to select Saad Hariri as PM, so obviously you lost there badly.

The same so-called pro-Mullah president recently met with King Salman and begged for acceptance/ties. This is because Lebanon relies on KSA financially. Until recently Southern Lebanese used to work in the GCC by the thousands and their remittances kept the Lebanese economy afloat. Not to say other Lebanese communities.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...t-looks-to-revive-ties-with-Saudi-Arabia.html

4- Iran will never produce more than 3.9 million b/d as you all were dreaming that your country will produce more than 4 million after sanction!
Meanwhile KSA just had a record oil output for this past month. News from today.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-opec-oil-output-idUSKBN1400J5

5- KSA liberated all the strategic parts and 80% of Yemen so far, while your terrorist regime is struggling to send some weapons to Houthi/Saleh in fishing boats.
6- ISIS as we speak is just committing massacres against Iraqi army /JAHSH Militia and killed 4000 of them though 63 countries are participating with the incompetent Al-Abadi army!

@alarabi thanks. Added some of my own thoughts as I really prefer not to write a book in detail. Rather make it short this time around.

Anyway upper hand as in having a lively fantasy and wasting billions of dollars (and 1000's of Iranians) in projects doomed to fail (on the long run) in the Arab world (Arab Shias) while the average Iranian could only dream about having the same living standards as the average GCC citizen? If that is considered success then I must congratulate you guys.

Lastly many of the claims in that article in regards to KSA and MBS a year ago are simply untrue.

No mention the improved ties with Sudan, Algeria, Turkey, Eritrea, Djibouti, KSA military base being built in Djibouti, Saudi Vision 2030 (most important news in years), successful economic reforms etc. As expected.
 
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2- Iran lost 1000+ thousands of its generals and advisors in Syria, not to mention the 10's of billions it lost with barely a positive result in Syria. A country that is damaged for good and a country that will never accept the Al-Assad regime on the long run.
3- KSA manipulated you in Lebanon and forced Lebanese President to select Saad Hariri as PM, so obviously you lost there badly.

Election of Saad Hariri is a clear Saudi win...after Saudi suspended aid to Lebanaon..all politicians were squealing and calling for an apology to KSA..

Assad will never hold it long term in Syria..the international body will make him next Saddam and Qaddafi...

If Saudis did not gain anything in Syria..neither did the Iranian..only loss is for the Syrian people...
 
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I know, right?

They really got done over at OPEC!

Yes, Saudis will cut their production by almost half million barrel and Iran will increase it's production.

The Economist is a useless source when it comes to Middle Eastern politics. They have proven this time and time again. Not long ago some of their teenage "journalists" had written an article about the Middle East where "Sunnis" appeared as an ethnic group.

1- The ambassador to Iraq was replaced because he was awarded a better position.
2- Iran lost 1000+ thousands of its generals and advisors in Syria, not to mention the 10's of billions it lost with barely a positive result in Syria. A country that is damaged for good and a country that will never accept the Al-Assad regime on the long run.
3- KSA manipulated you in Lebanon and forced Lebanese President to select Saad Hariri as PM, so obviously you lost there badly.
The same so-called pro-Mullah president recently met with King Salman and begged for acceptance/ties. This is because Lebanon relies on KSA financially. Until recently Southern Lebanese used to work in the GCC by the thousands and their remittances kept the Lebanese economy afloat. Not to say other Lebanese communities.
4- Iran will never produce more than 3.9 million b/d as you all were dreaming that your country will produce more than 4 million after sanction!
Meanwhile KSA just had a record oil output for this past month. News from today.
5- KSA liberated all the strategic parts and 80% of Yemen so far, while your terrorist regime is struggling to send some weapons to Houthi/Saleh in fishing boats.
6- ISIS as we speak is just committing massacres against Iraqi army /JAHSH Militia and killed 4000 of them though 63 countries are participating with the incompetent Al-Abadi army!

@alarabi thanks. Added some of my own thoughts as I really prefer not to write a book in detail. Rather make it short this time around.

Anyway upper hand as in having a lively fantasy and wasting billions of dollars (and 1000's of Iranians) in projects doomed to fail (on the long run) in the Arab world (Arab Shias) while the average Iranian could only dream about having the same living standards as the average GCC citizen? If that is considered success then I must congratulate you guys.

Lastly many of the claims in that article in regards to KSA and MBS a year ago are simply untrue.

No mention the improved ties with Sudan, Algeria, Turkey, Eritrea, Djibouti, KSA military base being built in Djibouti, Saudi Vision 2030 (most important news in years), successful economic reforms etc. As expected.


1. Iraqis don't want you there and if your next ambassador talks too much he will be kicked out of Iraq.

2. In fact Saudis wanted to remove Bashar and couldn't achieve their dream after 5 years and the only thing they can do now is barking which is part of Adel Al Jubeir's daily work.

3. In fact Hariri was forced to accept the Hizbollah's candidate for presidency and now parliament and presidency are controlled by hezbolah and its allies.

4. Iran's production capacity is not more than 3.9 Mb/d and even if they want they can't do it.

5. Aim of the military intervention was to remove Ansarolah but you couldn't.

6. Soon they will liberate Mousel and your scums will no longer exist there.

Election of Saad Hariri is a clear Saudi win...after Saudi suspended aid to Lebanaon..all politicians were squealing and calling for an apology to KSA..

Assad will never hold it long term in Syria..the international body will make him next Saddam and Qaddafi...

If Saudis did not gain anything in Syria..neither did the Iranian..only loss is for the Syrian people...

The fact is that Hariri was forced to accept Hizbollah's candidate for presidency and now parliament and presidency are controlled by hezbolah and its allies which gives them a upper hand.
 
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1. Iraqis don't want you there and if your next ambassador talks too much he will be kicked out of Iraq.

2. In fact Saudis wanted to remove Bashar and couldn't achieve their dream after 5 years and the only thing they can do now is barking which is part of Adel Al Jubeir's daily work.

3. In fact Hariri was forced to accept the Hizbollah's candidate for presidency and now parliament and presidency are controlled by hezbolah and its allies.

4. Iran's production capacity is not more than 3.9 Mb/d and even if they want they can't do it.

5. Aim of the military intervention was to remove Ansarolah but you couldn't.

6. Soon they will liberate Mousel and your scums will no longer exist there.
No need to bother with him, he's already banned :lol:
 
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This OPEC decision was interesting.

Both sides are looking at prolonged fighting if some sort of mutual agreement does not happen. Yemen can be replied in Syria and vice-versa. Depends how much more fighting can each side handle.
 
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This OPEC decision was interesting.
Well, Iran was firm in that it wouldn't cut or freeze production until it got to pre-sanctions market share/production levels. I'm sure you know why.

Saudi was hurting, with their adventure in Yemen, their sponsoring of ISIS and their other spending sprees. They had a budget deficit. Meanwhile, they were pumping at record levels. So everyone was looking at them to cut, which they finally did.

I'm sure this guy a.k.a "Al-Baghdadi" will come back again with a new id. :lol:
Meanwhile his fellow "Al-Butthurti" can take the lead. :lol:
Looks like the "Saif Al Arab" account ban has expired, he'll probably use that one next.
 
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