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Reuters) - When Ghulum Nabi's father heard U.S.-backed troops toppled Afghanistan's Taliban after the September 11, 2001, attacks, he rushed to their family home in an Afghan refugee camp in Pakistan to spread the news.

Perhaps, one day they could all return to a peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan supported by a Western superpower.

After 10 years of U.S.-led efforts to pacify one of the world's most turbulent countries, Afghan refugees in Pakistan have little hope for stability in their homeland.

"I grew up here and Pakistan is my country. When my father pushes me to go back to visit, I end up having a fight with him. I'm never going to live there. I want to get Pakistani nationality. This is my home," said Nabi, 22, who runs a crockery shop.

"It doesn't matter if it is America or anyone else trying to watch over Afghanistan. I will still be looking around to see if anyone is pointing a gun at me."

Afghan President Hamid Karzai would welcome a return of the millions of Afghans living in Pakistan.

It would be a vote of confidence in his administration, which faces many problems, from widespread allegations of state corruption, to a resilient Taliban.

SOVIET INVASION TRIGGERED LIFE OF UNCERTAINTY

Many of the refugees are skilled labourers who could boost reconstruction and help revive a weak economy if they return. But it's unlikely to happen.

Most of the refugees in Pakistan arrived after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. The conflict that followed consumed their homeland. After the mujahideen warriors defeated the Russians, warlords turned on each other and tore Afghanistan apart.

Many refugees fear a repeat of that chaos as a U.S. troop withdrawal looms.

Some would like to go home but feel they can't. Others regard Pakistan as home despite its many disadvantages. Without proper Pakistani identification cards, Afghans can't open bank accounts or buy or lease property.

Many are openly mistreated by Pakistanis who have little fear of being held to account.

On August 14, the anniversary of Pakistan's independence, Saeed Anwar's landlord showed up with three men armed with AK-47 assault rifles at his clothing shop at a busy bazaar in the city of Haripur, home to 80,000 Afghan refugees who live in camps.

"They threw around my merchandise and said I need to pay them a 300,000 Pakistani rupees ($3,450) advance on the rent. I had already paid the rent," said Anwar, wearing traditional, loose Pakistani trousers.

"I went to the police to register a case. But when they see a dispute between a Pakistani and an Afghan, they automatically assume the Afghan has done something wrong."

Still, many Afghans believe its wiser, and safer, to just accept the frequent humiliation than return to a homeland still shattered, despite a long U.S.-led military campaign against militancy and billions of dollars in Western aid.

Afghans -- from elders who vividly remember the first Soviet gunship helicopters in Afghanistan, to teenagers who have only visited a few times -- work for Pakistanis as welders or carpenters and tailors in Haripur and other cities.

Most of them prefer to run their own small businesses, from food carts to car dealerships. It's the only sense of independence they have in the camps which consist of small cement and mud housing units near a reservoir.

The elders have set up a jirga, or tribal gathering, to settle internal disputes, as is done in much of Afghanistan. Cricket games are the only form of entertainment and leisure activity for most youths.

Two years ago Pakistan agreed to let displaced Afghans stay until the end of 2012, after a resurgence of militant violence along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border hindered repatriation.

Still, people like Sherullah, whose nine children were born in Pakistan, feel vulnerable. What if Pakistan asks them to leave one day?

"There is a lot of confusion. If there's one thing I want, it's for this confusion to go away, for us to know if we will be staying or not," said Sherullah, who was cutting women's clothing in his tailor shop.

"There are many people living here that can afford to build a proper house but don't want to. They think 'what if next year we are told to leave?'. So they continue to live in mud houses."

Aside from 1.7 million officially registered Afghans in Pakistan, there are an additional 800,000 with no documentation.

According to the United Nations, Pakistan is home to the world's largest refugee population, mostly Afghans, who strain the country's troubled economy.

Pakistan would like to repatriate them.

There are, however, few incentives for refugees to head back to Afghanistan. So life in camps may drag on for many years.

Even though the U.S. disengagement is gradual, it brings back painful memories of what was widely seen as American abandonment of Afghanistan after the Soviet exit in 1989.

Warlords soon took over and bloodshed returned.

Haji Aslam, 65, an elder in one of the camps, has seen conflict in Afghanistan over the last 30 years -- from the battlefields where he fought the Soviets to what he sees today on his television screen.

He is betting on the Taliban to prevail once the Americans leave.

"Even if just 10 Taliban show up, the Afghan government will flee Kabul," said Aslam, a man with a white beard wearing a traditional flat Afghan cap.

"In Pakistan, I am at peace. I know my children are safe."

Decade after 9/11, Afghans languish in Pakistan | Reuters
 
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"In Pakistan, I am at peace. I know my children are safe."

How come an Afghan is at peace in Pakistan when there is hardly any peace for Pakistanis themselves?

I must tell you guys, living here in Afghanistan is not an easy job you have to burn your A$$ to feed your stomach! plus this idiot journalist has interviewed a crockery shop keeper, he might have lived in a small village with no comforts before leaving to Pakistan and now if he returns he will have to manage to get at least $800 monthly to have the same life he is living in Pakistan right now.
 
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How come an Afghan is at peace in Pakistan when there is hardly any peace for Pakistanis themselves?

I must tell you guys, living here in Afghanistan is not an easy job you have to burn you *** to feed your stomach! plus this idiot journalist has interviewed a crockery shop keeper, he might have lived in a small village with no comforts before leaving to Pakistan and now if he returns he will have to manage to get at least $800 monthly to have the same life he is living in Pakistan right now.

Personally I think these refugees should go back and help/rebuild their country.

But he's not the only one:

Many Afghan refugees may opt to stay on


PESHAWAR: Abdullah Jan, 28, has lived as a refugee in Nowshera, a town in Pakistan‘s Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa Province (KP), close to its capital Peshawar, since he was two, but now feels it is time to return home to Afghanistan.

“I still associate myself with our home region of Mazar-i-Sharif in Afghanistan,” he told IRIN, then UN Information Unit. “My father and I have recently visited our village there, and we intend to return before winter. I want my children to grow up as Afghans, not as persons with an indistinct identity.”

Jan and his extended family of nine will be going back over the next month or so under an ongoing repatriation programme that was halted during the Muslim month of fasting, Ramadan.

Under a tripartite agreement between the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) and the governments of Pakistan and Afghanistan, Afghan refugees in Pakistan have a deadline of 31 December 2012 to voluntarily register for repatriation. Those who return are supported by UNHCR.

“There are currently 1.7 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan,” Tim Irvin, senior public information officer for UNHCR, told IRIN from Islamabad. “Most are no longer based in camps but in communities mainly in KP and Balochistan.”

While most camps have closed down, a few run by district administrations continue to operate in some towns in KP and Balochistan.

According to Irvin, 32,000 Afghans have been voluntarily repatriated this year. “There have been a declining number of returns in recent years and we are expecting less than 100,000 to go back by the end of the year, though it is hard to make definite estimates,” he added. About 3.6 million Afghans have been repatriated from Pakistan since March 2002.

Some stay because they see better long-term opportunities in Pakistan and are uncertain about where their future lies. Muhammad Qasim, 30, a labourer in Peshawar who wishes to stay on, told IRIN: “I have a job here. I have lived here most of my life and my children go to a decent school. Life here is better than in Afghanistan, though I earn barely Rs 6,000 [US$78.6] a month.”

However, Qasim’s father, Hakeemullah, 60, was keen to return to their home in the southern province of Kandahar. “We are not really wanted here. Police harass us and there is pressure to return,” he said.

Media reports have also mentioned the targeting of Afghans in police “crackdowns” against crime or after “terrorist” attacks, when there is a “round-up” of suspects.

Irvin said UNHCR “was not aware of any pressure from the Pakistan government to press for Afghan returns” and was working with it to repatriate people voluntarily.

“In the absence of national legislation on refugees, UNHCR will continue refugee status determination (RSD) in accordance with its mandate,” the organization states.

Born in Pakistan

Some Afghans based in Pakistan were born there and do not want to return. “I was born here, I run a small shop here and for me, this is home. I have never even been to Afghanistan,” Zahid Ali, 22, told IRIN in Peshawar. Other Afghans, including those settled in the southern port city of Karachi, which has taken in a large number of Afghans since the exodus from that country began following the Soviet invasion of 1979 agree with this view, asserting “We are Pakistani now.”

Those born in Pakistan still have refugee status. According to the UNHCR, the lack of a law on statelessness is a problem for refugees who wish to stay on. In the context of the Afghan refugees, it says: “Statelessness has emerged as an issue in Pakistan. There is no national legislation on statelessness. With the aid of a study to be completed in 2011 that will highlight the causes and extent of statelessness in Pakistan, UNHCR and the Government will collaborate on a strategy to tackle the issue.”

Many Afghans were reported to have celebrated Pakistan’s 14 August Independence Day alongside their local counterparts.

Some Pakistanis welcome their presence in the country. Ahmed Ali, who runs a cloth-weaving workshop in Karachi employs some 10 Afghans, and says: “These people are good, hard workers. Some have been with me since the 1980s.”

Irvin agrees that a number of refugees, especially those who have jobs as labourers, in the textile industry, or in agriculture – the three sectors in which most Afghans are employed – as well as those whose families have been raised in Pakistan, may decide to stay on. “We hope to work out an agreement that will allow these persons to apply for visas and stay on, not as refugees but as people able to work and live in Pakistan,” he said.

Helping the hosts

The agency is also engaged in a joint programme with the government of Pakistan to improve the quality of life of communities that have hosted Afghan refugees in the past or continue to do so today.

“Projects implemented under the Refugee Affected and Hosting Areas (RAHA) initiative are designed to improve the lives of people living in locations affected by the 30-year presence of Afghan refugees in Pakistan. By addressing the needs of host communities as well as those of the refugees, the RAHA programme seeks to promote coexistence and social cohesion,” it notes.

Schemes run under RAHA include water provision systems, the creation of livelihoods and other development initiatives which seek to help communities recover from the strain of hosting a large number of refugees for over three decades.

A different UNHCR study examines the contributions of Afghans to the Pakistan economy in their role as rubbish collectors and in other sectors.

“I am still deciding what to do – but many Afghans, especially the younger ones, will stay on here,” Zahir Saamir, 50, who came to Peshawar in 1981, told IRIN.

“This year there has only been a trickle of Afghans going back,” said a border guard at the Torkham border, some 50km from Peshawar, who asked not to be named. “The truckloads of returning refugees we saw in the past are now a rare sight.”

Many Afghan refugees may opt to stay on | World | DAWN.COM



 
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Personally I think these refugees should go back and help/rebuild their country.

But he's not the only one:

Many Afghan refugees may opt to stay on

Some stay because they see better long-term opportunities in Pakistan and are uncertain about where their future lies. Muhammad Qasim, 30, a labourer in Peshawar who wishes to stay on, told IRIN: “I have a job here. I have lived here most of my life and my children go to a decent school. Life here is better than in Afghanistan, though I earn barely Rs 6,000 [US$78.6] a month.”



You see he is earning $80 a month and he can deal a good life with it in Pakistan but believe me he cannot adjust with $80 for a week in Afghanistan.
 
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@ Dance, it is no need to open a thread for this. Obviously a person from much smaller country(economically & in term of development) will love a life of a big country. Afghan refugees are not the only foriegners who love to live in Pakistan but people from nearly all countries in our region & people from all around the world came to Pakistan & choose to adopt it.
 
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Sher Malang @ actually if you go to refugee camps, people who came in 1979 their children born in 80s and now their children born in 2000s....hardly got anything in mind to associate themselves to a village in Afghanistan their parent or grandparents belong to.... the problem is due to poor state of affairs, many afghans have turned anti-state activities...as its buys them living...

I would like them to return and try to take charge of their own country... this pakistan is to be considered just as their second home...
 
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Really? Why?

A family of 8 members needs a bag of 50 KG flour for at least one month and it costs 1100 AFN ($23) add the rest your self.

Leader - Yes Afghans are very much thankful of every Pakistani citizen, they lived/living a very good life there in Pakistan like brothers, their kids go to school without any problem, they learned many things from Pakistan but as you said they have to return here and try to adjust with the environment here.
 
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Afghan media delegation visits PU(Punjab University)


LAHORE - An eight-member media delegation from Afghanistan visited the Punjab University (PU) on Friday. PU Vice Chancellor (VC) Professor Dr Mujahid Kamran, along with other senior faculty members, welcomed the delegates at the Centre for Undergraduate Studies.

Addressing the delegation, the PU VC said Afghanistan and Pakistan were inseparable and that Afghanistan was important, not just for Asia, but for the entire world as the battle for the future of mankind was being fought there. Kamran said the policies of the great powers of the world were being controlled by a cabal of rich families who had divided the mankind through repeated deceptions and now wanted a war on the basis of artificially contrived “terrorism versus civilization conflict”.

The same families had funded the Bolshevik Revolution and Hitler simultaneously and had, subsequent to WW-II, duped mankind into the “communism versus democracy conflict”. The PU VC said since 9/11, North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) forces had been located in either oil and gas rich regions or regions through which oil and gas was transported. The Afghan war, the Iraq war, the Libyan war, the Sudan conflict, all were prompted by the United States (US) and allied agencies in service of their corporate masters.

Kamran offered five scholarships to Afghan students to come and study at the PU. The scholarships will cover all expenses of the Afghan students. The meeting unanimously resolved to promote knowledge of nature among the Afghans and Pakistanis through a cooperative effort.

EMPLOYEE APPREHENDED: Punjab University administration has apprehended an employee of the Salary Section, Nasrullah, for his alleged involvement in disbursement of Rs 1,930,530 illegally. The administration deposited the money in the university account after recovering it from him. The accused was caught on September 6 and has confessed to his crime. Action will now be taken against him under the university rules and regulations.

A committee, comprising Dr Amir Sarwar and Dr Ehsan has been constituted to present its report and find whether any other employee was involved in the crime. A PU spokesman clarified that Nasruallh had not been physically tortured in this regard.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/09/af...tion-visits-pu/
 
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All those Afghans born in Pakistan should be entitled to Pakistani Citizenship, even those who came here as refugees should benow given the Citizenship of Pakistan. They are hard-working, peaceful and intelligent people who can easily assimilate among the Pashtuns of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, FATA and Balochistan; as they are basically of the same ethnic stock.
 
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fact of the matter is that a majority of people we call refugees, are born in Pakistan - and really that makes as Pakistani as anyone else -- but of course the law does not recognize this and it is tragic.
 
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Actually some of them already have pakistani NIC's and although they still have contacts back home but they want to stay here. but it will be nice if Afghanistan's situation gets better and they are able to return home.
 
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I have spoken to hundreds and hundreds of them in formal interviews - in almost all cases the elders dragged the youngsters to a country that they only knew of in stories of their parents or from vacations - and for the elders, it still had not set in, that the Afghanistan they knew, the very land and villages they knew, were no so transformed that they would live lives as internally displaced persons - It's really a heart breaking tragedy - and because these people, primarily Pashtun, but significant numbers of Uzbek, Hazara, Turkoman and Pashai speakers as well, had not an experience of political agitation or activism, they have not made common cause with others to demand that the laws be amended and they be accorded what is after all, their birth right - born in Pakistan, means you are a Pakistani.
 
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Any well wisher of Pakistan should be allowed to live indefinitely in Pakistan
 
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