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Afghanistan: As China forges new alliances, a new Great Game has begun​
William Dalrymple

As the disappearance of flight MH370 dominated the headlines across China, a party of senior US officials and AfPak experts arrived in Beijing last week for discreet talks with their Chinese counterparts. They were there as part of a little reported but crucial new Sino-American dialogue on Afghanistan, discussing the role China could play there after the US withdrawal. It is an important development in the new Great Game that is already realigning the delicate geopolitical balance of the region.

The public standoff between the world's two greatest military powers in the South China Sea over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands has disguised a growing detente between them both over central Asia. "The Chinese are very much aware that we are now on the same page in Afghanistan," I was told by a senior state department official with the delegation. "Our interests are now in almost complete alignment there."

The fledgling dialogue received a huge boost earlier this month when China suffered what one newspaper affiliated with the party described as "China's 9/11". A knife attack by a group of eight militants at Kunming station in Yunan province left 29 dead and 140 injured. The authorities stated that the assailants were Uighurs, the Turkic-speaking Muslim minority, many of whom want independence for the northwest region of Xinjiang – or East Turkestan, as Uighurs call it.

Tensions between Uighurs and Han Chinese have been simmering for years. The Chinese have bulldozed great swaths of Kashgar, the historic Uighur capital, and drafted hundreds of thousands of Han Chinese into the sensitive border region. Like the Tibetans, the Uighurs now find themselves a minority in their own homeland.

In 2009 riots between Uighurs and Han in the regional capital of Urumqi left more than 100 dead. In October 2013, a vehicle carrying three Uighurs ploughed into pedestrians near Tiananmen Square, killing two and wounding 40. The Chinese authorities said the attack was the work of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (Etim), a militant Uighur group they say has links to the Taliban and Pakistani jihadi networks. Last week there were was much gossip in China of a possible Etim hijacking in the case of flight MH370.

Nevertheless, the perceived Pakistan link to Uighur militancy has become the crucial factor in changing the Chinese approach to Afghanistan. Five years ago the Chinese viewed the country primarily as a source of hydrocarbon and mineral deposits – trillions of dollars of the oil, gas, copper, iron, gold and lithium that China will need if its economy is to expand.

In 2008 Chinese Metallurgical Group and Jiangxi Copper Co bought a 30-year lease on the site of Mes Aynak in Logar for $3bn, which they estimated to be the largest copper deposit in the world. But after Taliban attacks the mine remains dormant, and Beijing now views Afghanistan more as a security problem than an economic opportunity: "Driving Chinese policy in Afghanistan now are concerns on terrorism," said the state department official.

In September 2012, the then Chinese public security chief, Zhou Yongkang, visited Kabul, the first such visit by a Chinese minister – and announced a major turnaround in policy. China began security co-operation with President Hamid Karzai's regime, training 300 Afghan police officers. Since then the US and China have collaborated in training Afghan diplomats, health workers and agricultural engineers, the first time China has ever co-operated with a third party in another country. Ambassador James Dobbins, Obama's special representative for Afghanistan, now has thrice-yearly meetings with his Chinese counterpart to discuss future areas of co-operation.

Barnett Rubin, who recently stepped down as adviser to Obama's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, told the Jaipur Literature Festival that China and America "have a growing convergence of interests in the areas to the west of China. Taliban militants attacking Chinese mining activities in Logar province are coming from Pakistan. Uighur militants in western China are being trained in Pakistan, and are going back to China. China has found that Pakistan is not effectively stopping those people. This has really affected China's attitude to Pakistan, which it no longer considers a reliable ally. This is one of the reasons why Chinese-Indian relations have started to warm, and that China is seeking co-operation with the US in Afghanistan."

While China is pressing its old ally Pakistan to do more to contain militant groups, it is also mending fences with India, an old rival. It has pulled back its troops from disputed border areas in the Himalayas and is entering into talks with India on security co-operation in Afghanistan.

Last month China became India's biggest trading partner. The China-Pakistan alliance, for 50 years the crucial relationship between south and east Asia, is now looking increasingly past its sell-by date.

Much of what happens next will be determined by events in Afghanistan. Elections will be held, Karzai will step down, and Nato and the US will both withdraw. Sadly, the stability and integrity of Afghanistan during that process is something that even the growing power of China cannot guarantee.


As sent to me by email.
 
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Wishful thinking on behalf of some nitwits.

Reality Check :

China is investing over 30 Billion USD in Gwadar-Kashgar Link up.

China investing further Tens off Billions of USD in Pakistan's infrastructure and Energy Projects.

China is not moving away from Pakistan, it is moving much closer.

P.S. Who is William Dalrymple :

William Dalrymple, FRSL FRAS (born 20 March 1965) is a British historian, Indologist and writer, art historian and curator, as well as a prominent broadcaster and critic. He is also one of the co-founders and co-directors of the annual Jaipur Literature Festival.

Dalrymple first came to Delhi in 26 January 1984.[5] Dalrymple has lived in India on and off since 1989 and spends most of the year at his Mehrauli farmhouse in the outskirts of Delhi,[6] but summers in London and Edinburgh. His wife Olivia is an artist and comes from a family with long-standing connections to India. They have three children, Ibby, Sam, and Adam.

This guy is Simply an India Fanboy who writes such articles to please Indians. He has no Credibility as far as we Pakistanis are concerned.
 
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The fledgling dialogue received a huge boost earlier this month when China suffered what one newspaper affiliated with the party described as "China's 9/11". A knife attack by a group of eight militants at Kunming station in Yunan province left 29 dead and 140 injured.

Nevertheless, the perceived Pakistan link to Uighur militancy has become the crucial factor in changing the Chinese approach to Afghanistan.

Taliban militants attacking Chinese mining activities in Logar province are coming from Pakistan. Uighur militants in western China are being trained in Pakistan, and are going back to China. China has found that Pakistan is not effectively stopping those people. This has really affected China's attitude to Pakistan, which it no longer considers a reliable ally. This is one of the reasons why Chinese-Indian relations have started to warm, and that China is seeking co-operation with the US in Afghanistan."

I don't understand why someone spent too much time in writing an article that's based on fantasies.
1) If you understand the Chinese, they are following the US's footsteps. In that regards, they are, have been and will be investing into any country that they can, to gain control over the economy and eventually warm up relations enough to build basis or have the travel "pass through" which means stop and refuel for the Navy ships, etc,etc. This may not be the case with India but it is the case with other countries. So investing into Afghanistan is nothing new.

2) They had the Islamic terrorism issue for many decades. And they've talked to Pakistan about it many times. However, they also call Pakistan their Israel, meaning unconditional support for the country. That relationship hasn't and won't change in the next 40 foreseeable future. They are about to pour in over 50 billion dollars investment between 2012 to 2017. That's a LOT of money to invest in, in ONE package. There are also over 50-100 billion dollars planned by the Business community in China in the shape of industry creation and pivot of the Chinese economy into Pakistan through railroad links, freights, ports, dams and travel to China.
3) Just like the US has put so much money into India to counter the Chinese, the Chinese are smart. They'll empower Pakistan and its economy to a degree that India will always remain in check (Watch out the next 11 years till 2025, it'll be interesting to see how Pakistan's economy grows). Pakistan may not compete with India one to one, but having a very strong military will ALWAYS keep the Indian military and a large fleet of all branches in check for Pakistan. Thus reducing its expansion and focus from just China.
4) The US and the Chinese will always have their interest to protect and they'll work together on some issues and will have issues on other fronts. Just how big countries work, similar to what we did to the Russians too. We work together and we work separate to protect out interests. That's it, nothing more. And the Chinese have been supporting Pakistan relentlessly for decades. There is a reason for it and it is all a part of the great game :)
The article is extremely biased. Not sure how much did the editor make from a certain lobby lol.
 
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Wishful thinking on behalf of some nitwits.

Reality Check :

China is investing over 30 Billion USD in Gwadar-Kashgar Link up.

China investing further Tens off Billions of USD in Pakistan's infrastructure and Energy Projects.

China is not moving away from Pakistan, it is moving much closer.
We're not talking economics here. It's geo-politics! China is doing what it's doing in developing Gwadar for it's own economic interests.
 
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We're not talking economics here. It's geo-politics! China is doing what it's doing in developing Gwadar for it's own economic interests.




Epic Fail Mr.TROLL. Let's just say if it lssens your ANXIETY ATTACK about Pakistan-China Nexus its fine with us.

You might try some Tranquilizers as well to calm your nerves.:D :lol:
 
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We're not talking economics here. It's geo-politics! China is doing what it's doing in developing Gwadar for it's own economic interests.

You yourself know what you posted. Now you are going to waste everyone's time for no reason. If you know strategy a little bit, this is called Geo-Strategic. Geo-Strategic and Geo-Politics are the same thing. You can't have Geo-Strategic benefits through a country unless you can influence their Geo-Politics. Take an example of India....and what's its lobby is doing in the US by influencing the political system.....resulting in Strategic investments going to India (some for very wrong reasons as the US still needs more jobs for its people and it still is a much better place to do business in). But that's a prime example of Geo-Politics resulting in Geo-Strategic interests at a country level.
 
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It depicts the frustration and anxiety of India in regards to its coming defeat in Afghanistan yet again. China and Pakistan will not only work to contain India but also will write history in Afghanistan.
 
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Epic Fail Mr.TROLL. Let's just say if it lssens your ANXIETY ATTACK about Pakistan - China Nexus its fine with us.

You might try some Tranquilizers as well to calm your nerves.:D :lol:
Calm down friend! You need to cool your radiator before you get a heart attack or a stroke. This forum is meant for discussion. There are two ways to discuss:

1. Like a gentleman.
2. Like a feather brain.

No prizes for guessing which method you're adopting. :azn:

It depicts the frustration and anxiety of India in regards to its coming defeat in Afghanistan yet again. China and Pakistan will not only work to contain India but also will write history in Afghanistan.
For your info, this piece was written by an American think tank and NOT an Indian. So what's all this so called 'frustration' you're talking about? This isn't India's position but what the Americans think.

And what is this 'defeat' about? And what 'history'? Before you re-write history, check out what the majority of Afghans think of you!
 
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I doubt China will pump its billions into Afghanistan in trade deals.

Right now Afghanistan offers mines, But NATO will not let one of its rival into Afghanistan. May be some limited activities from chinese side will happen.
 
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It depicts the frustration and anxiety of India in regards to its coming defeat in Afghanistan yet again. China and Pakistan will not only work to contain India but also will write history in Afghanistan.

Defeat of India in Afghanistan? how?
 
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It depicts the frustration and anxiety of India in regards to its coming defeat in Afghanistan yet again. China and Pakistan will not only work to contain India but also will write history in Afghanistan.

So William Dalrymple is an Indian now? Yes he spends a good amount of time in India but he is Scottish!
 
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@OrionHunter

Just like the Brazilian tribes know their Amazon forrests, we know our Afghanistan. No American idiot with a $200 laptop with a latte' on the side of his armchair can know better than we do.
 
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@OrionHunter

Just like the Brazilian tribes know their Amazon forrests, we know our Afghanistan. No American idiot with a $200 laptop with a latte' on the side of his armchair can know better than we do.
Ok, but why do you say 'India is frustrated'? This article wasn't written by an Indian nor is it the government's official position.
 
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