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Addressing the TLP problem

IbnAbdullah

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Given the recent developments, especially the open threats and incitements against the top judges and general, the TLP has demonstrated that they are not fit for the exposure they've gotten and will become more so if left to their own devices.

The state obviously needs to do something about this problem. However, it must think long and hard about the correct plan so as not make this a bigger problem than it already is.

One type of idea that should be completely dropped from the tool box entirely is the 'bring in A to counter B, then bring C to counter B, then D to counter C and so on and so forth'. That strategy has shown itself to ultimately hurt a lot more than benefit. (E.G: MQM, IGI etc)

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Please share your solution to this problem.

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My understanding:

A lot of the power of these people comes from the issue they have been championing not their 'core' following.

I mean that people voted for them, and came out for them not because they thought or think Rizvi is the bomb, rather because they think they are fighting for the honour of RasulAllah pbuh.

I've been to mosques who are of different sects from these people and the imams have been supporting their cause because of this very same thing.

However, once the issue has been allowed to settle down - and when these people cannot hide behind the honour of RasulAllah pbuh, then the state could act in a very discreet manner. With a scalpel and not a sword.

The amount of votes and support they got was overwhelmingly from one issue: honour of RasulAllah pbuh. That is it.

The other issues they are selling (implementation of shariah etc) are being sold by a dozen others as well and for much longer and we've seen how much support that gets them. So that issue (nifaz e shariat) has a limited appeal and the vote & support for it are very divided.

Most of the Muslims would be willing to sacrifice a great deal for the honour of RasulAllah pbuh, however, the number of people willing to sacrifice much for Rizvi and the lot isn't going to be too high.

The idea is to separate the two.

So once these people no longer have an Asia bibi to kill or a Mumtaz Qadri to save, they will struggle to keep the spot light.

Once that occurs the state could take a few steps:
  • Strict media blackout. Even control online as much as possible.
  • Aggressively promote a counter narrative - aggressively and intellegently. Counter narrative should be based in Islamic theology, designed to appeal to the religious lot that follow them. Know your target.
  • Identify the power structure and slowly dismantle it in a discreet way.
  • See which people in the organisation can be bought/blackmailed/strong armed into doing your bidding. Go after them in the best manner.
  • With regards to the rest of the relevant and influential members who do not fall in line, they should be handled using the law but in a way that they aren't allowed to connect it to this. So for instance take divisional leadership out on unrelated legal charges.

Along with all of these, I hope the state institutions realize that the solution to these problems is educating people - especially about Islam - so that people are not easily manipulated by such people.

If people understand how much importance Islam places on the rule of law and opposes anarchy, the power granted to the state and leadership. How burden of proof works and how big of an issue it is to take a life etc.

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Anyways, how do you guys think these people can be handled most effectively?

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First of all,,congrats Pakistan.
Ultimately u have taken the first step,,,hopefully this verdict will pave way for Pakistan from dogma towards modernity :tup:
Secondly n more importantly,,this is time for action becoz every minute of inaction/indecisiveness at this moment emboldens the protestors n reaffirms there belief in there cause.
So stop pondering n do what most of u already know is right.
 
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Aoa



That is a short term fix. It seems like an effective one as well tbh.

However, I was talking about a long term solution for this problem. So that we wouldn't have these idiots popping up and threatening judiciary and inciting rebellion in the military again.

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I just want this to happen to those blocking the roads and business right now.
 
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Aoa



That is a short term fix. It seems like an effective one as well tbh.

However, I was talking about a long term solution for this problem. So that we wouldn't have these idiots popping up and threatening judiciary and inciting rebellion in the military again.

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The only control that is long term as well is the one Saudi Arabia imposes too; no religious leader over there can dare instigate violence against Government or its Laws; solution is to put all religious schools under strict surveillance, all mosques should read sermons generated by the Government rather than by the Moulvi's themselves (that's how it works in UAE and Saudi Arabia, if they don't, then the mosque is shut down), any religious individualities who instigate violence or denounce the Government are immediately pushed under the rug by the Government. All-in-all, you need complete control and surveillance of these Religious institutions to control this.
 
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Anybody with a brain has been crying for the same things already mentioned by @IbnAbdullah and @Alternatiiv.

-aggressive & intelligent counter-narrative that permeates school textbooks, radio, TV, billboards, etc., and draws from Islamic scholars, the Quran and the Sunnah

-total control of all madrassas and mosques, including curriculum and khutbaz, through laws, intel and enforcement

-zero tolerance policy for mob violence, public unrest, etc.

Currently, we are succeeded at none of these three pillars of de-radicalization and counter-extremism. We are primarily lacking in the enforcement category. Nobody has the balls. Short-term unrest has to be accepted as a side effect --- at least it will yield years of peace and progress.
 
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The best decision is to not to use religeon as a tool for timely petty issues . if it is a long term decision by state this issue will be evaporated immediately and for all times to come. TLP was used to dislogde/weaken nawaz govt and in this process it became a monster.
 
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