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Mansha wants public sector corporations privatised; Sees fraud risks in VAT; says VAT enforcement needs vision; asks govt to set aside Kashmir for trade with India

Saturday, June 19, 2010
News Desk

RAWALPINDI: Nishat Group chairman Mian Muhammad Mansha has called for the privatisation of public sector corporations, saying they are inflicting annual loss to the national exchequer between Rs300 and 400 billion. He did not take serious the controversy created due to the privatisation of strategic assets and said it has been noticed elsewhere also.

He however noted that in 1991-92 total profit of the banking sector was Rs2 to 2.5 billion that was too higher now. He also noted with satisfaction that Pakistan was not affected from the banking crisis that hurt other Asian countries in 1997.

Mansha, the richest man of Pakistan and a leading industrialist, called for practicing merit and dissolving all organisations in the public sector. However, he said privatisation did mean setting free the state’s concerns. Instead there has to be checks. In this connection judiciary is now playing its role.

“We have to compare tax recoveries before and after the privatisation,” he added. In this connection he informed that only the Muslim Commercial Bank had deposited Rs100 billion as tax in the last 20 years.

With regard to the Value Added Tax (VAT), he was of the view that the government should enforce it cautiously as there is great risk of fraud in the system. Taking part in the special series ‘Greater Pakistan Destination Closer, Passage Difficult’ of the Geo News programme ‘Aaj Kamran Khan Kay Saath’ he referred to the privatisation of deteriorating banking sector that had resulted in the wave of betterment.

He asserted that privatisation of the public sector would end nepotism and help overcome corruption. The Pakistani society is heading perfectly in the right direction. He said there was no system better than democracy, adding the judiciary and the media are doing well, and now some restraint is needed.

Politicians have to frame policy best suited for the country doing away with extravagance, Mansha advised. He was confident that all the pillars of the state are moving to the position where they have to be including a strong opposition. The army has also restored its position by fighting out terrorism in the north. Positive results in this connection will be visible in the next couple of months, he hoped.

He called for opening borders with India and promoting bilateral trade setting aside the Kashmir conflict. He refused to agree with the impression that after opening borders, Pakistan will not be in the position to compete with India. This never happened when the Indian borders were opened with China. The balance of payments in India now stands more than $11 billion against China.

Mansha was optimist that Pakistan shall also benefit with the opening of borders with India. One can’t imagine the gains Pakistan shall reap. Let’s draw a lesson from China as to how it had settled the disputes of Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Let us accept that the US is the super power and relations between Washington and Beijing have to be promoted on an equal footing. The economy of Europe will be weaker in the years to come and China will move ahead of the US, he predicted. Likewise economies of India, Indonesia and Brazil are destined to move ahead. Anyhow we may not ignore the Europeans altogether.

Democracy may not be the best system but he was sure that there is no system better than this. To a question, he admitted that there is a temporary crisis in the country because of the prevalent system and lack of good governance. But the people had grown wiser. Let there be patience as in the next elections better representatives will be elected.

When asked about the available mineral and human resources, Mansha said the country is rich in these sectors. We are also rich in water and agriculture resources and the country’s geo-political location is the best in the region. The centrality of the world is shifting and moving towards Asia. Conditions shall be better as soon as peace is restored in Afghanistan. With regard to Iran he said its potential is yet to be assessed.

He cited Bangladesh’s example and said none could imagine the rate of economic growth this country had achieved where in each textile mill over a hundred thousand ladies are employed. On the contrary, he pointed out that Pakistan has plenty of cotton and investment resources. It is high time that opportunities are exploited, trade with India may be started with providing opportunities to small investors.

When asked about the influences of the US, China, Iran and Afghanistan over Pakistan’s foreign policy and economic advantages, Mian Muhammad Mansha agreed that it has been complex, but the country has to be focused on economic benefits.

The approach had been same after the world war and the affected countries had focused their policies in accordance with the economic gains. Asking for aid or arms from the United States is wrong and this approach has to be done away with. Being the biggest partner in the war against terrorism, we have to sit down and discuss issues with them. We deserve access to American market, as our sacrifices in the war against terror are greater.

Mansha recalled that during deliberations with the US officials we have tried to convince them to assist Pakistan in one or two major projects like Kohala and Neelam-Jhelum projects. Such projects are vital because the country is confronted with power shortage and Kalabagh Dam project had become controversial. The US had decided to leave from the region and it won’t be possible unless Pakistan is stabilised.

About China, he said it is a modern and developed country and with in three years it will surpass the US. They are our neighbour and friends too, and can become Pakistan’s major markets. We can secure technology from China.

Pakistan has to move ahead taking along both the US and China at an equal footing. They had lot of interest in Pakistan and we can learn much from them. He was satisfied that the Chinese investment and expertise are pouring into Pakistan.

The Nishat Group chairman said that the issues of taxation and difference between income and expenditure are not as complex as they are being considered. We are habitual to take negative issues seriously. He noted that tax recoveries during the last two years have doubled. The feudal class must pay taxes but at the same time small landholders may be compensated. Tax is a must and no sector may be left out of the net.

About Afghan transit trade, he said the government has to take up the issue with Kabul as it is inflicting losses worth billions of rupees to the national exchequer. He asked the government to frame policies that are in the larger national interest. It may cause temporary setback, but in the years to come public shall take them back as it happened in India. It the wake of 1991 reforms in India Manmohan Singh was the finance minister. Due to his reforms Prime Minister Narsimha Rao lost majority. But was voted into power again in the general elections that followed. Let’s be sure whoever would bring good governance, will be voted by the masses, Mansha gave the assurance.
 
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Mansha should be brought to justice as well. The criminal deal over MCB is fresh in everybody's mind.
 
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How much is his real worth, I know he says close to 5 billion USD but others say it is much higher. He has various companies and assest that are not in his name.
 
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Yes they all are part of same Hamam. They are only interested about their businesse and what he wishes for prosperity, to achieve that a lot is to be done by GoP and GoI and may be so many other internal and external stake holders. Na 9 mun tel ho ga na Radha nachay gi.

Can Mr Mansha tell what he or hi group has done for the people of land out of their hard earned income.
We have many example like Edhi sahib, Imran Khan, Ibrar ul Haq Shahzad Roy and many more from middle or upper middle class but some really grand welfare projects are awaited from such rich people. Unfortunately they just deliver bashans and are always interested about their businesses.:hitwall:
 
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How much is his real worth, I know he says close to 5 billion USD but others say it is much higher. He has various companies and assest that are not in his name.

Reports 1 Bn this year but has said that he's 4-5Bn in an interview. You should read the nature of the deals done upto 1997 to realize that he is one super big crook.
 
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Mansha should be brought to justice as well. The criminal deal over MCB is fresh in everybody's mind.

Such attitude was responsible for ZAB's policy of nationalization of Pakistan's economy. That policy comprehensively stopped organic industralization of this country.

Dawoods, Habibs, Adamjees were Birla, Tata, Mittals, Ambanis of Pakistan but unfortunately could not prosper in their time. Industrialists and capitalists are future for survival of Pakistan as an economic entity. These people are far better than corrupt politicians, army generals, bureaucrats and feudals because, at least, they provide jobs to educated/semi-educated people at their busniess instalations.

We can compare present condition of MCB with that before its privitization. MCB has vastly improved compared to NBP, ZTBL, etc. And what condition of public sector entities (PIA, Pak Steel, Railways, etc) has become, a black hole of government subsidies and HQ of corruption and inefficieny.

If some business people are fraudlent then the system should be improved instead of blaming certain individuals. This can be done by strict laws (anti-corruption, anti-monopoly, etc) and effective regulatory and enforcement institutions (SECP, SBP, Competition Authority, CBR, NAB, etc).

Any "undue" harassment of industrialists will only drive away capital and economic activity from this country. Can anyone recall the episode of freezing of FX accounts?
 
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Such attitude was responsible for ZAB's policy of nationalization of Pakistan's economy. That policy comprehensively stopped organic industralization of this country.

Non-political entities are worshiped by the large populace even when they are the people who bribe the corridors of power. The effects of the '60s industrialization are highly debatable but nobody can reject that they were highly elitist. I won't go into nationalization here. That is too long a debate for this topic.

Dawoods, Habibs, Adamjees were Birla, Tata, Mittals, Ambanis of Pakistan but unfortunately could not prosper in their time. Industrialists and capitalists are future for survival of Pakistan as an economic entity. These people are far better than corrupt politicians, army generals, bureaucrats and feudals because, at least, they provide jobs to educated/semi-educated people at their busniess instalations.
They were no Tata or Brilas. Tata and Brilas prospered and grew massively because of India's state controlled economy which did not rely on the cancer of FDI to make it prosperous nor was it dependent on some families being in bed with the uniforms in power. The growth of our corporate masters was filled with corrupt practices and the families and groups which dominated industries in the middle of the '50s were no where to be seen by the late '60s thanks to cronyism. I can send you two books that document economic journies of the famous 22 families (actually the books follow somewhat 30 families).

We can compare present condition of MCB with that before its privitization. MCB has vastly improved compared to NBP, ZTBL, etc. And what condition of public sector entities (PIA, Pak Steel, Railways, etc) has become, a black hole of government subsidies and HQ of corruption and inefficieny.

MCB's performance does not mean that Mian Mansha and the group of 6 people that bought MCB should not be prosecuted for the kickbacks that allowed them to become the owners of the bank even when they were the third, not the first highest bidder in the initial round.

MCB has performed admirably and most PSEs are running badly due to bad management. Privatization should be clean not like MCB or the Sugar and Cemennt privatizations in which Mian Mansha grew immensely. The rise of Nishat was highly dependent on the kicbacks during the first Nawaz government.

If some business people are fraudlent then the system should be improved instead of blaming certain individuals. This can be done by strict laws (anti-corruption, anti-monopoly, etc) and effective regulatory and enforcement institutions (SECP, SBP, Competition Authority, CBR, NAB, etc).

Pakistan's industries still remain associated with individuals and families. Lack of trust and built in unimaginative though somehow fosters this family culture that is part of our social life.

Industries therefore do not diversify as they lack corporate governance. The '90s until '97 specifically saw the return of what are called the "robber barons" by a number of not so neoliberal economists. As our society revolves around individuals rather than organizations and institutions, it should not be amazing that individuals are responsible for major corruption and hence are named.

Any "undue" harassment of industrialists will only drive away capital and economic activity from this country. Can anyone recall the episode of freezing of FX accounts?

Undue harassment should never be the policy but we should not forget previous corruptions and kickbacks by industrial giants.
 
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i dont know in much detail about munsha but doesnt the gist of wat he says here makes sense?

So aptly put my friend. It is what he is saying as compared who is saying it -- that should be the focus here and I feel the thread starter wanted that to be discussed instead of the personality.

Tatas and Birlas are as important to India as the Suzuki's and Honda's are to Japan and Rockfeller's etc., are to US and the list goes on and on. Do we remember any Russian or for that matter any Chinese in their old command economy???

Let the people unleash their inherent will to prosper and survive. We Pakistanis are known for it.

Crimes will be commited -- make the system strong to catch the criminal-- thnigs will settledown by themsleves.

Now can we talk about his suggestions?:agree::pakistan:
 
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This was expected to be a positive discussion but hats off to our nation...they can find a negative point out a every single bit of Pakistan ..... thanks for intellectuals skills of so called intellectuals...
 
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Mian Muhammad Mansha is not only example of being benefited from NS privatization drive. Privatization was an excuse for granting benefits to some close allies.

“Sheikh ul Isalm” was given 200 kanals land in green town at the rate of about 25 Rs per kanal.

Penicllin factory in Skinderabad was gifted to generals at throw-away price.

One college was given at Nicholson Road to Ghulam Murtaza Malik for just 400,000 Rs while at that time even one marala was expensive much more than that.

This list is not so short , even a half hearted investigation could result in few hundred pages.
 
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Can anyone tell me what happened to Kamran Khan. He was firing on government as if it is going next morning but then for so many weeks he is doing his programme in a very different mood. What happened, sold, threatened or bamboozled.;):confused::lol:
 
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I stated this because people in our country view businessmen, especially rich ones to be some kind of angels and neglecting the fact that are the ones who pay the bribes that are accepted in corridors of power.

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The problem is business men every where are the same.They do not become rich by thinking about social programmes.They think about making money.However this is tempered by the Government of the time setting legislation to ensure that these people do not go over the top.However, in the west they go a step above by "funding" the political parties.However, if one imposes restrictions with a balance , this tendency is reduced to some extent but does not go away.Unfortunately ,our Government is as corrupt as it can possibly be, and our Judicial system is still struggling to impose itself.
The fact still remains that railways, Airlines and steel mills are grossly under performing and eating up the national reserves.Something will have to be done about it.One route may be to privatize them . It has happened elsewhere, why cant it happen in our country.
Araz
 
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