A view of India based on hatred

[INDIC]

Wrong.
Portugal had no intention to leave. They even made a claim that they (the goans) are their citizens.
I know many goans , whose fathers have pre 61 birth certificates and have got Portuguese nationality and now live in UK

Anyway I will post sources when I have time.

I know these thing, Portuguese fought in Angola and Mozambique until 1974 keep them under Portuguese rule.

 

[gau8av]

Hey bro

if you want to re-write the history of INdia and diss Nehru,

Who am I to stop you.

I just pointed out the fact that BJP and Hindutvadis should not use Indian-Muslims as a long pole to fork Nehru.

Hope you understand.

I'm not dissing Nehru

but this "Hindutvawadi" thing is being blown way out of proportion across our borders, Hindustan se pehle Chin aur Pakistan mein toofan macha diya hamare Hindutva ne

 

[Chronos]

Well in one way, Indians still haven't followed his scientific temper he wanted to institute. He was a great patron of science.

One failure of his I will mention here. His patronage of institutes of higher learning without giving full impetus to elementary schools and secondary schools and learning.

As for his mistakes. He may be deified by the Congress, but he is but a mortal. And they are subject to Human frailties.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

At the time of partition, what he did for India was simply "spectacular". His relationship with Lady Mountbatten and the subsequent Governor Generalship of Lord Mountbatten, the annexation of Kashmir and Hyderabad. Partition of Punjab and taking Calcutta port into India.
If Indians even celebrate a year to pay tribute to Nehru for all these works that still will not be enough.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Well in one way, Indians still haven't followed his scientific temper he wanted to institute. He was a great patron of science.

Scientific temper? He was a great patron of cr@p. That's what he was, and I am being respectful. The IITs and other educational institutions were largely due to the influence of Doctor Rajendra Prasad, himself highly educated and academician. All Nehru did was stand in front of the camera and pose. After his death places got named after him. By his own family members. That's what his contribution in the field of science is. And yes, his lofty speeches and inauguration ceremonies. They must find mention in his list of accomplishments. Also notable was India's first education Minister A. Azad, even Rafi Kidwai. Nehru only held the post of Minister of Scientific Research, an empty shell that it largely remained till his death. It became meaningful only after the Green Revolution. Check the website of the Ministry and check the date of establishments of the individual sub divisions. The fraud is very evident.

Don't believe me? Check out India's first Cabinet for a start and then proceed deeper.

PM Nehru, setting an example for fellow Indians.

 

[Dash]

Vir Sanghvi and his crap

 

[INDIC]

At the time of partition, what he did for India was simply "spectacular". His relationship with Lady Mountbatten and the subsequent Governor Generalship of Lord Mountbatten, the annexation of Kashmir and Hyderabad. Partition of Punjab and taking Calcutta port into India.
If Indians even celebrate a year to pay tribute to Nehru for all these works that still will not be enough.

I can see what are your trying to do and why you bringing Lady Mountbatten. It seems Pakistanis are still very heartburned about the 'moth-eaten Pakistan' after failing to grab Hindu majority areas and doing a blunder in Kashmir.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I'm not dissing Nehru

but this "Hindutvawadi" thing is being blown way out of proportion across our borders, Hindustan se pehle Chin aur Pakistan mein toofan macha diya hamare Hindutva ne

Oh bhai

Why do you say "I'm not dissing Nehru".

Are you the real author of OP?

 

[FaujHistorian]

I disagree jinnah had major problems with Nehru. Sardar was never politically so powerful to avoid jinnah.

And he had most wars with Pakistan. A time when country was enraged and shattered he instead to giving helping hand to keep a friend next door he made them enemy.
There were many things a good leadership could have done to make our past not so miserable.

I am not "understating".

What are you trying to say bro.

 

[gau8av]

Oh bhai

Why do you say "I'm not dissing Nehru".

Are you the real author of OP?

oops, I thought your remark was at me. and as you can see, a bunch of people do diss Nehru, including in this thread.

 

[duhastmish]

I am not "understating".

What are you trying to say bro.

Brother I am trying to say near had much more political power and support.

He had all the chances to help Pakistan and solve kashmir issue
He was initiative for lot of friction with Pakistan. As a sole Indian powerhouse he could have solved all border disputes with Pakistan instead he said something to Pakistan and delivered opposite of it.

 

[Soumitra]

Scientific temper? He was a great patron of cr@p. That's what he was, and I am being respectful. The IITs and other educational institutions were largely due to the influence of Doctor Rajendra Prasad, himself highly educated and academician. All Nehru did was stand in front of the camera and pose. After his death places got named after him. By his own family members. That's what his contribution in the field of science is. And yes, his lofty speeches and inauguration ceremonies. They must find mention in his list of accomplishments. Also notable was India's first education Minister A. Azad, even Rafi Kidwai. Nehru only held the post of Minister of Scientific Research, an empty shell that it largely remained till his death. It became meaningful only after the Green Revolution. Check the website of the Ministry and check the date of establishments of the individual sub divisions. The fraud is very evident.

Don't believe me? Check out India's first Cabinet for a start and then proceed deeper.

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PM Nehru, setting an example for fellow Indians.

Nehru Built Airports Not IITs

 

[Jackdaws]

Why you mentioned Goa, I have never heard of Nehru's criticism in Goa crisis.

Because for the longest time, Nehru spoke of non-violence and peace and posed as the conscience of Gandhi. So when he sent troops into Goa, his well-cultivated image of being "non-violent" quickly disappeared. To be fair to him, he did try his best to get a negotiated settlement and could easily have assimilated Goa in '47 '48 itself but he thought that like the French had agreed in case of Pondicherry in 1950; the Portuguese too would come around. Portugal of course had ruled Goa for 400 years - twice the length of the British rule - so they considered Goa to be an extension of Portugal and not a colony. They even had Goa seats in the Portuguese Parliament in Lisbon - in fact if I am not mistaken, they had them well after India integrated Goa.

 

[Jackdaws]

not totally true premiership was the basic component with strong federation type rule, rather than a strong centralised one, ( Canada with Quebec & the French domination is a case in point ) & Canada is united even today after more than a century , it is the premiership which would do the hard work required of strengthening the system as well as cementing Minority domination , just like Wilfrid Laurier ,Pierre Elliot Trudeau , Jean Chrétien & Paul Martin did in Canada ,they were all French in a majority English speaking country , the cabinet mission plan was a replicate of this in India & Not a recite for French independence it never was !
the words you are missing is Domination & Not Independence , just think logically after all KPK was out & out congress & Punjab was unionist again a congress ally ,Baluchistan was princely state
only Sindh had a majority of 40-60 for Muslim league , the base & strongpoints of the Muslim League was UP/CP & Bengal , now sir you do the maths

Yes - but the Cabinet Mission Plan did not give Premiership to either one. Please correct me if I am wrong. There are whispers that Gandhi did think it wise to offer Premiership to Jinnah but was vetoed by Patel and Nehru. They show this in Attenborough's Gandhi. Dominion status was accorded by both plans - the Cabinet Mission Plan as well as the Partition Plan. India was a dominion till it adopted its Constitution on 26th Jan, 1950 - only then was it truly sovereign. I don't know when Pakistan became sovereign.

Now you compare this to 1971 Pakistan - there was a clear cut winner here and the winner was to become PM of all of Pakistan. Let's be honest - Sheikh Mujib won fair and square and logic dictated that he be made PM of the entire nation. It was Bhutto who stalled it with his "Idhar Hum, Udhar Tum" mantra. The Bengalis were not in a minority - population wise they were in the majority.

Nehru strengthened Indian democracy by holding election after election and strengthening the Opposition even though he knew he would win - this was to lay a democratic platform to build a democratic nation.

Bhutto was a civilian Martial Law Administrator, an opportunist who jailed his winning opponent and unleashed (with Yahya) his country's army on his own countrymen. He was later hanged by his own judiciary during a martial regime.

Frankly, Nehru and Bhutto could not be more different.

 

[he-man]

Stupidity at its peak in this thread.
Nehru was the man we needed in 1947 and he did reasonably well.

He was not perfect but a true patriot and nationalist as well as a liberal person responsible for our secular values.